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dcomposed
September 12, 2005 12:27 AM

Either did any of the black people in New Orleans. If they were white, Kanye would have been happy and considered it a victory. Fuck Kanye West.

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Zaster
September 12, 2005 4:34 PM

Kanye West's anger is perfectly understandable. On the one hand, he is pissed off that it took 5 days to get the National Guard into New Orleans. And on the other hand, he is pissed off that the National Guard is in New Orleans.

You see? His anger is perfectly understandable once you realize that he is an idiot.

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Inflatable_Man
September 13, 2005 3:17 PM

Whether Kanye West gives a shit about white people is one thing, but when you say something like this...

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Either did any of the black people in New Orleans.

... you prove yourself to be another fucking moron with a strong opinion. Just like Kanye. Congrats.

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matclarke
September 13, 2005 3:32 PM

I was just happy to see Mike Meyers skin crawl!!!! I think he needed new underoos after that.

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matclarke
September 13, 2005 3:39 PM

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dcomposed
September 13, 2005 4:51 PM

Inflatable_Man have you ever known a black man or woman who didn't hate white people? I've only known I think three black Americans (two were related) and everytime something went wrong they'd be like YO FUCK WHITEY. The rest I learned from tv are the same, especially in a town like New Orleans. Even if they pretend not to, every one of them at least resents whites enough to be happy when something bad happens to them. They're not going to take racism from whites all day then suck white dick at night. (This is something I've learned about a country I've never been in).

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dcomposed
September 13, 2005 4:53 PM

Chuck D can fuck off too. I'm glad I downloaded his stupid album early because now I can delete it and not buy it when it comes out (this is re: a racist song he made and put online).

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joshw
September 13, 2005 4:55 PM

I think it's more "George Bush doesn't care about poor people."

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dcomposed
September 13, 2005 4:57 PM

Basically what I meant was, less whites would think blacks deserve a hurricane than blacks who think whites deserve a hurricane.

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dcomposed
September 13, 2005 4:58 PM

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I think it's more "George Bush doesn't care about poor people."

This is why black people should stop crying abour racism.

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crabby
September 13, 2005 5:59 PM

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I've only known I think three black Americans (two were related) and everytime something went wrong they'd be like YO FUCK WHITEY.
Well I'm glad you have such a diverse knowledge of African Americans as people. Why not go make some more nigger comics or do something else thats generally unfunny.

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dcomposed
September 13, 2005 6:01 PM

hi crabby how is your daughter

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crabby
September 13, 2005 6:36 PM

Classy.

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CowTipper
September 13, 2005 6:41 PM

I have plenty of black friends, so that settles the matter.

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cpausti
September 13, 2005 6:42 PM

Honkeys.

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BigFrank105
September 13, 2005 8:37 PM

White people are racist, so are black people. Society is just messed up in general. I'm friends with black people and they don't just "blame shit" on white people. Some white people are stupidly racist as with black people. Everyone is different.

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Inflatable_Man
September 13, 2005 9:51 PM

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Inflatable_Man have you ever known a black man or woman who didn't hate white people? I've only known I think three black Americans (two were related) and everytime something went wrong they'd be like YO FUCK WHITEY.


Yeah, because your two black Americans represent the other several dozen million who live in America. You're an idiot. Stop talking. Stop making yourself look even stupider. I'm a whitey. And I have a couple black friends. And as far as I know they don't hate me. I'll ask them again just to be sure.

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Inflatable_Man
September 13, 2005 9:55 PM

By the way, if you're going to make racist comics at least *try* and make them funny. Holy shit your new strips suck.

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HCRoyall
September 13, 2005 10:21 PM

I know plenty of black folk, more than white folk. (By 'know', I mean actually talk to and know their names.) None of them hate white people. They hate STUPID people. Most of them think it's stupid to cry racist all the time when blacks call each other 'nigga' all the time, and almost none of them even USE the word. When they complain about New Orleans, they complain about Bush's failure and the incompetence of the help being sent, not "Whitey's doin' this on purpose!"

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mandingo
September 13, 2005 10:47 PM

my take:

  • Kayne West is a fucking moron

  • in my state, minorities are more racist than whites

i still think its retarded when the politically correct cry racist when you give an opinion about a group of people. as long as your not dumb enough to apply a general statement to every specific person within that group, its not only okay, its necessary.

for instance, is it ageism to make the large generalization that 'old people don't run as fast'? no. is it anti-midget to say 'midgets won't make it to the NBA'? no. so why then is it suddenly racist to say 'black people are more racist than whites'? you can say, oh the first two are fact and the last opinion, but bullshit, its all opinion. the hypocrisy is so apparent its laughable

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cpausti
September 13, 2005 11:30 PM

mandingo, I live in your state, and I disagree. My school is full of stuck up white people who, although many of them are "wiggers," tend to be racist. Just because the Mexican population is rising quickly doesn't give white teens an excuse to call them all "worthless beaners." And if I hear another kid tell me "black people are invading the school," well, I don't know what I'll do.

Maybe it's different in Scottsdale.

It's not as racist as it is misleading to say, "black people are more racist than whites." It may depend where you live. But I would say it's pretty equal worldwide.

The first two dealt with physical condition, and were facts. I've never seen an old person run fast, because their joints get messed up and muscles begin to waste away. And why the fuck would a manager ever hire a midget to play in the NBA? Ever?! The sport, like most sports, requires height and speed, and as far as I know, someone with very, very short legs will run much slower than someone who is 6'6".

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Zaster
September 14, 2005 3:51 AM

I'm trying hard not to allow my feelings about a few assholes to sour my views on an entire population. But it's getting hard when gang-related crime is gradually making this area a shit-hole. I moved from one nearby city a few years back to get away from it. Pretty soon I might continue my flight. If someone were to say I'm just trying to find a place without blacks and latinos, I'm not sure they'd be far wrong.

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matclarke
September 14, 2005 6:19 AM

I hate everyone equally

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attitudechicka
September 14, 2005 6:28 AM

boorite didn't seem to secretly hate any of us. Except Ivy, he really hates her and it's apparent.

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HCRoyall
September 14, 2005 6:33 AM

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Except Ivy, he really hates her and it's apparent.

o/~ Hate so good... o/~

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FinnNYC
September 14, 2005 8:45 AM

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I think it's more "George Bush doesn't care about poor people."

Poor almost always equals black. The root of that problem is racism by whites and anyone who can't make that connection is either a moron or a racist white that's looking for a way to justify their racism. Africans were brought here and kept in poverty since then. This causes their communies to foster crime and racist sentiment. Now people say that those qualities are the reasons whites don't like them? That's retarded thinking.

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attitudechicka
September 14, 2005 9:12 AM

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I think it's more "George Bush doesn't care about poor people."

Poor almost always equals black.

Funny, I don't remember being black myself or seeing anyone who was black when we had to get our food from the shelter. I'm sure at their sister shelter in downtown St. Louis there were black people, but there certainly weren't any at the one where I lived.

Poor doesn't "almost always" equal black. And there aren't any white people holding the black people down. I seriously don't know where you guys are getting this shit from. Black people have the option of getting jobs just like the rest of us. And if I can live comfortably in a 2 bedroom apartment making just barely over minimum wage while my boyfriend makes about the same amount, then they can too. It's more of an issue of how many kids they have and if they take on the necessary responsibility to feed them (or, of course whether they work at all). We wouldn't have been poor if my mother didn't decide to go all baby factory and pop my brothers and I out so close together -- then decide to be a stay at home mom as well. But that was the problem -- my mother's laziness. And you have to look at all people, regardless of their skin tone, to figure out why things aren't working for them. I guarantee the problem doesn't lie in what color they are.

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FinnNYC
September 14, 2005 11:30 AM

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Funny, I don't remember being black myself or seeing anyone who was black when we had to get our food from the shelter. I'm sure at their sister shelter in downtown St. Louis there were black people, but there certainly weren't any at the one where I lived.

I could also wear the poor badge but I put that away long ago. I agree that there is a problem with the number of poor white people too but I still say that chocking up black peoples disadvantages to laziness is dumb. It's a rejection of logic that is, well..., lazy. I have a good job and I've made a good life for myself but I know that, to an indeterminate degree, I can thank my whiteness.

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attitudechicka
September 14, 2005 11:47 AM

How could you possibly believe that black people are treated so badly that they can't even get a job? I mean even the most minor of jobs will put food on the table and a place to live. The problem is laziness/pride. I guess they're all too good to work at McDonalds. And if, supposedly, they aren't getting jobs because of their race, couldn't they just get a lawyer, sue the company, and make even more money out of the deal since there's all these discrimination acts to protect their blackness?

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kinglou
September 14, 2005 11:59 AM

I come to online comic creation forums for all my politcal dialogs. I just wish this arguement was between 2 monkeys. I also wish it was only 4 panels long.

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FinnNYC
September 14, 2005 1:32 PM

310466

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kinglou
September 14, 2005 1:35 PM

NOW I get it!

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xxausrottenxx
September 14, 2005 6:56 PM

kanye west is allowed to not care about white people. nobody should really care about white people because they didnt care about black people or native american people. well mcdonalds cares about white people, but thats not a very good reason to like white people.

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biped
September 14, 2005 7:02 PM

Kanye West is allowed to smooch my buttocks.

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mandingo
September 15, 2005 12:58 AM

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It's not as racist as it is misleading to say, "black people are more racist than whites." It may depend where you live. But I would say it's pretty equal worldwide.
well, i said in my state. careful about that since i don't live everywhere. then you said you disagreed, which is perfectly fine, but then basically said its a different case than my colorful (and tangy) old people running and midget NBA example. if it is a special case, then you were wrong to say you thought white people were more racist. if it isn't, which it isn't, we should all be allowed to say whatever we want and be given the benefit of the doubt that we're not racists if we're stating what we believe to be fact. like Zaster did for example

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I think it's more "George Bush doesn't care about poor people."
Poor almost always equals black. The root of that problem is racism by whites and anyone who can't make that connection is either a moron or a racist white that's looking for a way to justify their racism.
or have a different opinion than yours, which seems to be an emotionally driven one

not that dcomposed ones aren't. sorry, dcomposed, just my opinion

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Africans were brought here and kept in poverty since then. This causes their communies to foster crime and racist sentiment. Now people say that those qualities are the reasons whites don't like them?

thats a good point which i hadn't thought of so thanks for making it

but think about it for a second. what your arguing is that people SHOULDN'T base their opinions of a people on those people's actions(crime) and beliefs(racism)

but basing your opinion of a people is the most UNRACIST thing in the world. its judging people by the content of their character. there are plenty of goddamned black people whose ancestors were slaves that don't commit crime and aren't racist. it shits all over them and belittle the pressures they've withstood to say that they have a right to racism

NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO RACISM

no one

none

adopt that mentality and end it

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mandingo
September 15, 2005 1:00 AM

i also should have made it clear that i don't think theres any INHERENT difference regarding the propensity to be racist among whites and blacks. they both have the tendency and in roughly the same degree. HOWEVER, because of both resentment by blacks towards whites and because the media has a double standard allowing blacks to be racist against whites, but not vice versa, black people in America as a whole tend to be more racist than white people in America as a whole

thank you, drive thru

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HCRoyall
September 15, 2005 3:39 AM

mandingo has the right idea. Racism is wrong. Decrying racism is a good thing so long as you aren't propagating a negative stereotype and claiming racism against you is the problem.

I grew up as the only white kid in a black neighborhood. It was a poor neighborhood, yes, but my neighbors worked minimum wage jobs, sometimes two jobs, and they were able to afford their two to three bedroom homes and keep food on the table. There were people who sold drugs in my neighborhood, and they were the only ones who complained about racism, especially when the police were involved. I don't care if you're white, black, or pink with purple polka dots; if you deal drugs, shoot at the cops, and fight them when they catch you, you have no fucking right to cry racism when they beat the shit out of you.

Racism today is nothing but hypocritical bullshit. White supremacists talk about purity of their race when they're all a bunch of inbred morons, and on the other hand the black racists make themselves out to be "thugz" and "gangstas" and wave their guns all around, then get bitchy when they get profiled as violent criminals.

Rascists need to come down off their crosses, use the wood to build a bridge, andget the fuck over it.

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cpausti
September 15, 2005 7:24 AM

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i also should have made it clear that i don't think theres any INHERENT difference regarding the propensity to be racist among whites and blacks. they both have the tendency and in roughly the same degree. HOWEVER, because of both resentment by blacks towards whites and because the media has a double standard allowing blacks to be racist against whites, but not vice versa, black people in America as a whole tend to be more racist than white people in America as a whole

This I can agree with. Honkey is funny, nigger is "omg bad!11" Black people are a lot more openly racist than white people are anymore, probably because white people are scared of the aforementioned gun waving gangsta fools which seem to represent blacks nowadays. But a lot of white people are racist to themselves or laugh about it with their white friends.

However, the colorful and tangy examples you used were special because it wasn't a belief(racism) being pasted to a race, it was a factual physical condition being described. And I didn't say I thought white people are more racist than black people, I said it is probably even. But not in my town. Which is in your state.

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Rascists need to come down off their crosses, use the wood to build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.

Agreed.

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FinnNYC
September 15, 2005 7:28 AM

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what your arguing is that people SHOULDN'T base their opinions of a people on those people's actions(crime) and beliefs(racism)

That is not my argument, I'm only touching on what I see as the root of the problem. It seems the black community is a snake that's eating it's own tail and it's not going to fix itself. I don't believe blacks have a right to their racism but I do think we (whites) have to tolorate it enought to work on a solution. Since we all seem to spout what we think are facts under the protection of oppinion I'll say that mandingo is wrong, HCRoyall is extra right and attitudechicka is crazy.

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matclarke
September 15, 2005 7:36 AM

YOU people just don't seem to get it.

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HCRoyall
September 15, 2005 7:48 AM

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YOU people just don't seem to get it.

Stop oppressing my culture, you ethnocentric bitch!

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mandingo
September 15, 2005 8:12 AM

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However, the colorful and tangy examples you used were special because it wasn't a belief(racism) being pasted to a race, it was a factual physical condition being described.
semantics

asian people are generally better in math, white people are generally worse in basketball than blacks

have at it using your same reasoning

your main mistake is considering generalizations factual. you have to by nature consider them opinions. their treating mass entitities as a block. its generalization. its opinion. it has to be if there's one single exception, no logical way around that fact

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But not in my town. Which is in your state.
how long have you been in AZ, just out of curiousity, and the underlying threat that if you say 6 months i nail you to the wall :)

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Since we all seem to spout what we think are facts under the protection of oppinion I'll say that mandingo is wrong, HCRoyall is extra right and attitudechicka is crazy.
same thing with the difference between fact and opinion. your taking generalizations as facts instead of opinion. thats the mistake imo

also, i can't really see where HCRoyall and i differ, other than i've elaborated. not sure why he's so right and i'm so wrong. if you could point where our opinions part, i'd appreciate it

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FinnNYC
September 15, 2005 10:11 AM

This where you're wrong mandingo:

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i also should have made it clear that i don't think theres any INHERENT difference regarding the propensity to be racist among whites and blacks. they both have the tendency and in roughly the same degree. HOWEVER, because of both resentment by blacks towards whites and because the media has a double standard allowing blacks to be racist against whites, but not vice versa, black people in America as a whole tend to be more racist than white people in America as a whole

There is no media double standard in that the standards for racism are not equal. If Martin Lawrence calls a white guy a cracker there is little historic stigma tied to that insult. You see, whites have very little to be offended by. It's water off a ducks back. Nigger is an descriptor that has genuine malice attached to it and has been a very nasty word that is just recently losing it's teeth. The same can be said for Kike or Chink. Racial insults cary with them a lot of baggage. Whites have never carried their own bags.

I think I've been around bit. I grew up in the inner city of Milwaukee (the only hyper-segregated city in the US), I've lived in LA, I've toured Europe and I now live in NYC. In my experience, Blacks are less likely to pre-judge based on race. White folks are FAR more likely to have formed an opinion based on negative cultural stereotypes propagated by themselves.

Here's where HCRoyall is right:

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Racism today is nothing but hypocritical bullshit

that's a huge argument boiled down to a nice, concise truth.

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crabby
September 15, 2005 10:22 AM

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white people are generally worse in basketball than blacks
Larry Bird disagrees.

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squidrabies
September 15, 2005 11:39 AM

I fucking hate aztecs. Turn your back on them and they'll steal your wallet. And they suck at basketball.

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matclarke
September 15, 2005 11:47 AM

And those fucking mayans couldn't chuck a football to save there lives.

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UnknownEric
September 15, 2005 11:58 AM

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Milwaukee (the only hyper-segregated city in the US)
I dunno about that, have you been to Buffalo?

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cpausti
September 15, 2005 4:28 PM

I've lived in AZ for a little more than 8 years.

No, now you're using race again. NO midgets will make it into the NBA. I'll be more specific and say no one that is reeeaally old can run fast. But yes, there is a possibility that some Asians are dumb and some white guys are very good at basketball. What I'm trying to get across is that a racial generalization is much different than saying "you're three feet tall with a reach of a foot and a half, so you're never going to be in the NBA." Unless you actually want me to consider the possibility of say a midget buying his way onto a team. Then yeah you're right.

And, yes indeed, HCRoyall is very right there, FinnNYC.

If there's one thing to hate in this state it's the heat, eh?

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HCRoyall
September 15, 2005 9:49 PM

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Whites have never carried their own bags.

Apparently your great-great-grandparents weren't Scotch-Irish immigrants then. Because mine met a whole lot of shit because the Americans and British actually considered a black person to be more of a person than an Irishman at the time they came over.

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mandingo
September 16, 2005 5:59 AM

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There is no media double standard in that the standards for racism are not equal. If Martin Lawrence calls a white guy a cracker there is little historic stigma tied to that insult.
oh god, even cpausti conceded this point. even if you can somehow logically fool yourself into thinking that some racial epithets or okay and some aren't, the fact that nigger has more of an emotional impact than cracker, whitey, etc is EASILY balanced out by media omni-presence of the latter and scarcity of the former

and its not just words either. its actions. Chuck D and Public Enemy don't want any white people on their stage when they perform. saw that on VH1

no reaction from the media whatsover

now imagine the reaction if Metallica said they didn't want black people on their stage when they perform

media double standard

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Blacks are less likely to pre-judge based on race. White folks are FAR more likely to have formed an opinion based on negative cultural stereotypes propagated by themselves.
you draw those two generalizations and i respect your opinion. i draw the generalization that blacks are more racist than whites but you don't respect mine

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No, now you're using race again. NO midgets will make it into the NBA. I'll be more specific and say no one that is reeeaally old can run fast. But yes, there is a possibility that some Asians are dumb and some white guys are very good at basketball.
i think now your argument is that NO midget will ever make it into the NBA and that no old person can run fast. one such occurence out of the billions of people in the world ruins your argument

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What I'm trying to get across is that a racial generalization is much different than saying "you're three feet tall with a reach of a foot and a half, so you're never going to be in the NBA."
i think we just went in a circle.

i said drawing generalizations based on race is just like drawing these generalizations: then i gave two examples of generalizations of groups that most people believe. you said those are physical conditions. i said okay, here are non physical conditions that most people believe. you said, yes most people believe that, but that's based on race.

and around and around we go

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If there's one thing to hate in this state it's the heat, eh?
and the giant mutant ants

run!

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