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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
September 30, 2001 8:10 PM

Alas , theres barely 3 or 4 people who can participate in this conversation , but i have no problem with that.

Is Glasgow becoming too "Trendy".

Is it becoming another Edinburgh , where every pub has a dress code , and sells bottled beer and spirits at £5 a bottle.

I ask , as Chambers bar has recently been redeveloped , and renamed as "Odin" or something equally tragic. I wandered into what was a quiet , comfortable pub , which sold good food at reasonable prices , to be greeted with pink lighting , trendy students , and a rotating disco ball which projected "Odin" onto all the walls.

The decline of traditional Scotland has begun.

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crabby
September 30, 2001 8:17 PM

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The decline of traditional Scotland has begun.

Theres an arcade I used to go to named FUN ZONE. It was great it was dark smoked filled all the pot heads hung out there dropping like 30 bucks a day. Then all of the sudden they decide to redecorate the place. They get rid of all the old pac man and space invaders games the pot heads played but in nice carpet fixed the lights didn't let you smoke in there anymore and it just started to suck. The decline of the traditional arcade happened sometime in the mid 90's but to see it happen so close to home really hurt.

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arrandildocompany
September 30, 2001 9:12 PM

You should hang around at the Unions more,
though I'm told even Jim's Bar in the QM has been done
up, and apparently looks and feels much worse than it
used to. They tried to trendify the Three Judges on
Dumbarton Road, but the regulars protested and they
seem to have reversed some of the changes.
I'm away from Glasgow for one year, and if it turns
into Edinburgh then I won't be coming back! (But I'm
sure it won't...)

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
September 30, 2001 9:18 PM

quote:
You should hang around at the Unions more,
though I'm told even Jim's Bar in the QM has been done
up, and apparently looks and feels much worse than it
used to. They tried to trendify the Three Judges on
Dumbarton Road, but the regulars protested and they
seem to have reversed some of the changes.
I'm away from Glasgow for one year, and if it turns
into Edinburgh then I won't be coming back! (But I'm
sure it won't...)

It has begun. Im sure that the traditional glasgow pub is close to dying.

Ill consider the battle lost when they redevlop the Clutha Vaults. At which point , all will be lost.

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 1, 2001 6:14 AM

What gets me in pubs is when they play the music too loud, so you can't actually hear yourself speaking to people. Revolution is bad for that. Apart from that I actually prefer the glitzy pre-club type bars to the old man traditional types.

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apejuice
October 1, 2001 6:26 AM

I've only been to Glasgow once, but I liked it. I found a couple of great pubs for lunchtime boozing on and around Sauchiehall Street (and a nice curry house too), but there did seem to be a lot of trendy bars around. I also found it a bit difficult to find a decent, non-poncy pub where I could get a drink after eleven. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places.

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andydougan
October 1, 2001 7:04 AM

I'm with kramer on this issue. I'm not really a fan of old man pubs. Pretentious student hangouts are more my scene. I do agree, though, that Glasgow city centre is becoming very like Edinburgh. I actually think it's trying to emulate New York, what with all the neon and the UGC and all.

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 1, 2001 9:00 AM

For a happy medium between traditional and studenty there's always the "It's a Scream" pubs. They're cheap, with actual stools and tables etc, but also a good atmosphere. The pub I really hate is that Logic on Sauchiehall st. They've gone so over the top with poncy layout (and a big ramp in the middle for no apparent reason) that there's only space for about three seats. And the businessmen (in their suit and tie...) have always got there first.

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boorite
October 1, 2001 1:34 PM

Ah loov this pub, iss brrilliant, war the fook are we agin?

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 1, 2001 4:05 PM

quote:
Ah loov this pub, iss brrilliant, war the fook are we agin?

ARGH. ITS A GEORDIE. RUN FOR THE HILLS!

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crabby
October 1, 2001 4:10 PM

quote:
quote:
The decline of traditional Scotland has begun.

Theres an arcade I used to go to named FUN ZONE. It was great it was dark smoked filled all the pot heads hung out there dropping like 30 bucks a day. Then all of the sudden they decide to redecorate the place. They get rid of all the old pac man and space invaders games the pot heads played but in nice carpet fixed the lights didn't let you smoke in there anymore and it just started to suck. The decline of the traditional arcade happened sometime in the mid 90's but to see it happen so close to home really hurt.
I refuse to go to arcades anymore now that they've all been ruined. I shed a tear every time I go by Alladins Castle or a Chuckie Cheese. The only place I can go to enjoy arcade games in peace is at convenience stores such as 7-11 or JJ Peppers. So as you can see I'm not from glasgow but I feel your pain.

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arrandildocompany
October 1, 2001 7:39 PM

quote:
For a happy medium between traditional and studenty there's always the "It's a Scream" pubs. They're cheap, with actual stools and tables etc, but also a good atmosphere. The pub I really hate is that Logic on Sauchiehall st. They've gone so over the top with poncy layout (and a big ramp in the middle for no apparent reason) that there's only space for about three seats. And the businessmen (in their suit and tie...) have always got there first.

Kramer has no taste at all! The Scream pubs are an absolute
disgrace - bad, loud music, awful beer, under-age neds. All chain pubs are awful.
You can keep them. Give me an old man pub, or one of the Unions, any day.

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crabby
October 1, 2001 8:00 PM

36863

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 1, 2001 8:08 PM

Crabby.

We are scottish. Our pubs , and our very bland culture , are all we have left to remind ourselves of our great traditions of getting excessively drunk , threatening passers by ,and sleeping in gutters in small puddles of our own piss.

Please. Leave us to debate the fall of our society. We will happily move onto your society when we finish.

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arrandildocompany
October 1, 2001 8:40 PM

quote:
Crabby.

We are scottish. Our pubs , and our very bland culture , are all we have left to remind ourselves of our great traditions of getting excessively drunk , threatening passers by ,and sleeping in gutters in small puddles of our own piss.

Please. Leave us to debate the fall of our society. We will happily move onto your society when we finish.



Well said, Kev. You tell him. This is a most important issue facing our society today. All non-Glaswegians should stay out of this debate, especially those bloody Edinburghers.

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 2, 2001 5:34 AM

Some scary guy followed me down Argyle St yesterday evening shouting at the top of his voice "ARE YOU SCOTTISH? I SPENT 6 YEARS IN A FUCKING IRISH PRISON, NOW ANSWER ME- ARE YOU SCOTTISH INDIVIDUALS?"

I was tempted to turn round and say "No, I'm from Afghanistan", but he was very scary.

If this is the Scottish culture you hold so dear, Perm, then give me a city full of glitzy chrome pubs, neon and mirrors any day.

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kaufman
October 2, 2001 6:03 AM

quote:
Crabby.

We are scottish. Our pubs , and our very bland culture , are all we have left to remind ourselves of our great traditions of getting excessively drunk , threatening passers by ,and sleeping in gutters in small puddles of our own piss.


I thought you also had the kilts and bagpipes for that.

And maybe even Nessie.

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 2, 2001 8:17 AM

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I thought you also had the kilts and bagpipes for that.

And maybe even Nessie.



No, you're thinking of Yemen.

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andydougan
October 2, 2001 12:17 PM

arrandil - I'm afraid the rumours about Jim's Bar are true. It's now full of these silly red stools instead of proper seats, and it's all white. Looks like something out of A Clockwork Orange.

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 2, 2001 12:26 PM

Oh no! Where will all the goths go?

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 2, 2001 2:08 PM

quote:
Oh no! Where will all the goths go?

The cathouse and the solid rock. Same as usual.

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boorite
October 2, 2001 2:37 PM

quote:
Oh no! Where will all the goths go?

Into a 12-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The Goths arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...

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andydougan
October 2, 2001 3:55 PM

Aw, soundproofed? I'd want to hear that.

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arrandildocompany
October 2, 2001 6:38 PM

quote:
arrandil - I'm afraid the rumours about Jim's Bar are true. It's now full of these silly red stools instead of proper seats, and it's all white. Looks like something out of A Clockwork Orange.

Guess I'll just have to rejoin the GUU then.

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DexX
October 3, 2001 8:30 AM

quote:
Into a 12-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The Goths arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...
Excuse me... Are you proposing we slaughter our Goths?

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andydougan
October 3, 2001 11:33 AM

quote:
quote:
arrandil - I'm afraid the rumours about Jim's Bar are true. It's now full of these silly red stools instead of proper seats, and it's all white. Looks like something out of A Clockwork Orange.

Guess I'll just have to rejoin the GUU then.

Things aren't quite that desperate.

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boorite
October 3, 2001 1:04 PM

Och, lads, ah boaked on me trainers.

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boorite
October 3, 2001 1:16 PM

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 3, 2001 2:37 PM

quote:
Och, lads, ah boaked on me trainers.

You just havent got this Scottish thing covered yet .

I can tell.

"Boaked , Trainers"/ Yep. Spot on

"Och". Is a word used solely by those of a Northern persuasion , usually farm or fish factory workers , to disguise their lack of vocabulary.

That , or their well recognized speech impediment (that of a Northern Scottish accent)

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boorite
October 3, 2001 3:07 PM

So what would I say? Oy?

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 3, 2001 3:12 PM

quote:
So what would I say? Oy?

i believe any commonly used expletive would be appropriate.

Now , if youre doing that gag based on someone from Edinburgh , every sentence has to be a mini version of Was and Peace.

"Oh dear god in heaven , i have , quite by accident i must profess , vomited upon that which i love , my pristine white training shoes , which , i may add , are training shoes like no other on sale in Jenners."

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boorite
October 3, 2001 3:14 PM

Is "fook" OK?

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 3, 2001 3:16 PM

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Is "fook" OK?

Sounds Geordie to me.

If you wish to blatantly slag off Glasgows poor literacy rate , you could simple misspell all the expletives.

Or just keep reading my posts. Theres not much of a difference.

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DexX
October 3, 2001 8:53 PM

I'd be more likely to use "fock" than "fook" for a Scots accent, Lowland anyway. The famous Highland Scots actually sound more Irish than Scottish, which I find fascinating. Unfortunately, there aren't very many of them left, as they were targetted by the English for a jolly little spot of genocide, what ho chaps, as they were more resistant to English control than the Lowlanders. The Lowlanders tend to think (Andy, Kev, backup?) that the Highlanders are a bit slow and simple, or so I have read.

I will stop regurgitating last semester's linguistics essay now.

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arrandildocompany
October 3, 2001 10:34 PM

quote:
I'd be more likely to use "fock" than "fook" for a Scots accent, Lowland anyway. The famous Highland Scots actually sound more Irish than Scottish, which I find fascinating. Unfortunately, there aren't very many of them left, as they were targetted by the English for a jolly little spot of genocide, what ho chaps, as they were more resistant to English control than the Lowlanders. The Lowlanders tend to think (Andy, Kev, backup?) that the Highlanders are a bit slow and simple, or so I have read.

I will stop regurgitating last semester's linguistics essay now.



Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)

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Brad
October 3, 2001 10:38 PM

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Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)
I went to a Scottish restaurant a few years ago and boy did it suck. Stale bread, mushy peas (they're peas that are mushy) and fish. The fish wasn't really that bad, I just can't get very excited about fish for whatever reason.

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 3, 2001 10:42 PM

quote:
quote:
Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)
I went to a Scottish restaurant a few years ago and boy did it suck. Stale bread, mushy peas (they're peas that are mushy) and fish. The fish wasn't really that bad, I just can't get very excited about fish for whatever reason.

Was this a Scottish themed restaurant , or were you actually in Scotland , and went to a Fish restaurant?

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kramer_vs_kramer
October 4, 2001 1:33 AM

quote:
If you wish to blatantly slag off Glasgows poor literacy rate , you could simple misspell all the expletives.


I used to know a guy, back in high school, who was convinced "shit" was spelt with a c. So he kept writing "chit" on things thinking he was well cool, not realising he was just pretty much writing "Receipt! Receipt!" on everything.

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 4, 2001 4:10 AM

quote:
quote:
If you wish to blatantly slag off Glasgows poor literacy rate , you could simple misspell all the expletives.


I used to know a guy, back in high school, who was convinced "shit" was spelt with a c. So he kept writing "chit" on things thinking he was well cool, not realising he was just pretty much writing "Receipt! Receipt!" on everything.

IN retrospect , this one was pretty dumb.

In English class , a guy from another class who had been majorly pissing me off for many months , was unfortunate enough to have his jotter as the one on the top of the pile which sat on the table in front of me. For some reason , i was overcome with the notion that i would be somehow "Getting Back" at this guy by writing "Penis" and doing large penis/testicle drawings on every page of his jotter. Thinking only he and i would ever know , and he wouldnt know it was me , i left class that day , assuming i was in the clear.

It was only when , 3 days later , i was pulled up during a Maths lesson , dragged out of class and down to the english department in order that i could be given a dressing down by the teacher , who had correctly surmised i was the culprit. However , once i got there , and saw the other kid in question , i realised he must have been given the third degree by the teacher as to why he has been drawing Penises all over his jotters when he should have been learning Shakespeare.

And i felt a twinge of satisfaction at this.

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DexX
October 4, 2001 9:17 AM

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Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)
Where the fuck did that little barb come from?

1) I'm Australian, in Melbourne.

2) I am approaching the end of my second year of a BA, majoring in linguistics and philsophy.

3) I studied a pile of books literally as high as my knee to write a major essay (30% of total subject mark) on the Lowland Scots dialect of English.

No, I'm not an authority by any means, but I am hardly the ignorant twit you seem to be suggesting I am. As such, please go grab a copy each of Braveheart and Trainspotting and shove them up your arse.

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NeoVid
October 4, 2001 4:18 PM

You know, this reminds me of how I always wonder how the hell they pronounce "shit" over there when I see it written as "shite."

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andydougan
October 4, 2001 5:09 PM

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You know, this reminds me of how I always wonder how the hell they pronounce "shit" over there when I see it written as "shite."

You pronounce it just the way it's written: like "kite", only with an "sh" at the start instead of a "k". But we can say "shit", too.

37499

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andydougan
October 4, 2001 5:15 PM

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The Lowlanders tend to think (Andy, Kev, backup?) that the Highlanders are a bit slow and simple, or so I have read.

I don't know about slow and simple, but they have a reputation for having, shall we say, inappropriate liasions with their sheep. I believe the Australians (and the Welsh) are suspected of similar perversions. Also, the Highlands contain the only pocket of Christian fundamentalism in the UK, which is always good for a laugh.

quote:
Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)

I think DexX was referring to the Highland clearances. I don't see why that implies a poor knowledge of Scottish history.

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gabe_billings
October 4, 2001 6:52 PM

quote:
Like all the Americans I know here in Sydney, you seem to have learned all you know about Scottish history from watching 'Braveheart'. (And probably all you know about contemporary Scotland from 'Trainspotting'.)

I'm sure Dexx is up to snuff on his Scottish knowledge. I, on the other hand, learned everything I know about Scotland from Braveheart and Trainspotting, not to mention Mike Myers. He is a central repository of all things Scottish.

And while we're on the subject, I learned everything I know about Australia from Crocodile Dundee and one Simpson's episode. (I know you still dole out justice in the form of kicking people with giant boots.)

Everything I know about the former Soviet Union was gleaned from James Bond movies and Rocky 4.

I know nothing about Denmark except that's where Legos come from.

Scandinavia makes good cell phones and elves.

Kamchatka is important if you're playing Risk.

Japan is probably going to invade us one of these days. Tom Clancy said so.

The Godfather trilogy covered everything I'll ever need to know about Italians.

Hmmm... that's about the extent of my world knowledge. I really should have stopped falling asleep in school.

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wirthling
October 4, 2001 7:04 PM

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skagg
October 5, 2001 10:30 AM

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I know nothing about Denmark except that's where Legos come from.
i thought they were made in the netherlands

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andydougan
October 8, 2001 12:13 PM

In The Score, Robert Duvall says "that'll gie ye a case o' the boak".
This is amusing.

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 8, 2001 12:41 PM

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In The Score, Robert Duvall says "that'll gie ye a case o' the boak".
This is amusing.

The Score? I didnt know Duvall was in that. I thought he was in "A Shot at Glory".

Feel free to correct me , as i havent seen either movie yet , and i dont plan on watching Ally 'Score' again.

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andydougan
October 8, 2001 12:51 PM

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quote:
In The Score, Robert Duvall says "that'll gie ye a case o' the boak".
This is amusing.

The Score? I didnt know Duvall was in that. I thought he was in "A Shot at Glory".

Feel free to correct me , as i havent seen either movie yet , and i dont plan on watching Ally 'Score' again.



Oops. You're right, I meant A Shot at Glory.
This will not look good on my CV.

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Kevin_Keegans_Perm
October 8, 2001 12:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
In The Score, Robert Duvall says "that'll gie ye a case o' the boak".
This is amusing.

The Score? I didnt know Duvall was in that. I thought he was in "A Shot at Glory".

Feel free to correct me , as i havent seen either movie yet , and i dont plan on watching Ally 'Score' again.



Oops. You're right, I meant A Shot at Glory.
This will not look good on my CV.

This will remain between you , me , and anyone else reading this public noticeboard.

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