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squidrabies
February 25, 2006 2:07 PM

In a totally random order:

BigFrank

Smurph

Jesussandwich

[img]http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/mcdexx/Man-mobile2.gif[img]

Finn

Mmeyers

Chi the Cynic

If I missed any that you think should be on SC, post them. If I posted some that are already here, I don't care. I don't neccesarily think all of these should be put up, but some of them are great. I do, however, think all the backgrounds should be put up, because we need more and those are cool.

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The_young_scot
February 25, 2006 2:30 PM

Wow, just....Wow.

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LuckyGuess
February 25, 2006 3:39 PM

I heart the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

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User #57198
February 25, 2006 6:05 PM

Monchichi like.

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not_Scyess
February 25, 2006 6:22 PM

Some of those would actually make a positive contribution to the site. The rest are either useless or can be done adequately with existing art. Again, I'll answer the "why not put everything in the world up indiscriminately" people by saying:

1) Bandwidth. Or if that's not a problem any more
2) Navigatability. If you don't think navigatability is a problem, try trying to find a character on this site

The ones which are good -- and several of them are really good -- are as follows, in the same order you posted them:

BigFrank

[img]http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/mcdexx/Man-mobile2.gif[img]


But only because more poses for existing charcters are good

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squidrabies
February 25, 2006 7:21 PM

Gotta disagree with you a bit here. The God and Jesus and their background would be useful and are not already represented here, aside from the one tiny jesus on a cross, which is funny but not as useful as a normal person sized jesus, in my opinion. And without the Lone Ranger, you might as well not include the indian. Again, because the only cowboy I can think of is a smaller size and of a radically different art style.
But yeah, it's not all useful, I just wanted to put all the art in one place, because I think we need some of it and I know Brad doesn't want to crawl through 10 different threads like I did.
Oh, I also think the bikini girls set and forumusers should be included. We can always use more normal looking people to choose from and the forumusers is the perfect place to add them. And mmeyers' looks badass and is a perfect redneck hick character.
Basically, I like everything but the three things I made.

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AccentuateNegative
February 25, 2006 8:25 PM

I wish I could quit mmyers.

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biped
February 25, 2006 9:39 PM

I like the new artwork, especially the hot babes!!!

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Injokester
February 26, 2006 12:56 AM

I made some new backgrounds recently for my God set:

And if God and Jesus get added they go together with:

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Twi_prime
February 26, 2006 12:56 AM

Cool, I've been thinking characters in cars would be a *really* good thing. I have some personal demons to work out there.

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smamurai
February 26, 2006 4:08 AM

The car!The car!The car!The car!The car!The car!

I think the car would be a good one. Let's do the car. Or failing that, the car would also be a good one I think.

I say car.

God BG's are beautiful. Can you imagine how they would look with the car in them?
It would look like smoke was billowing out the exhuast.

And all the other ones are good. I can't fault any.

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mandingo
February 26, 2006 4:22 PM

quote:
not_Scyess
allo, my name is mandingo montoya. you kill my Sea Monkey. prepare to die.

quote:
Some of those would actually make a positive contribution to the site. The rest are either useless or can be done adequately with existing art.
all men characters can be done "adequately" with one man character. all female characters can be done "adequately" with one female character. so unless you're willing to follow it to its logical conclusion and advocate 1 man and 1 woman character, you should toss out the "can be done adequately with existing art" argument. and that's even assuming "adequately" is objective. the fact that it's subjective blows that argument to hell again, but no need to beat a dead horseman.

so that leaves the argument that the art you omitted is useless. but realizing that what's "useless" is subjective to the person, and that, based on those who've posted, yours seems to easily be the minority opinion, that's enough to show the fallacy in your argument

but even assuming uselss is an objective term, your omissions are shaky at best, using the objective standard of the art currently on stripcreator. to prove this let's see how the sc characters would change if we followed your ideas of useless:

  • you omit the Smurph and Budda Burger...uh... JesusSandwich forum user characters. using the objective standard of characters that already exist, you just eliminated most of the forum users group. (i think wirthling, brad gaming, Spankling, kaufman, crabby, boorite, fuzzy, and kajun would survive your opinion of what's useful, while the other 18 people would get the axe body spray.)

  • you eliminated the Matrix characters. disregarding the fact that we have few to no characters wearing sunglasses on the site (you just omitted 4 that did) and that we have few characters with weapons on the site (you just omitted 2 that did), you also just eliminated all the gabe characters that derive from the watchmen comics, tyler from kofightclub, all the star trek characters drabies did, and Abe Vigoda. Abe Vigoda. you. heartless. bastard.

  • you eliminate the Matrix background, which would get used a ton on the site. i doubt even you disagree with that.

  • you eliminate Kevin Smith... i mean Finn... who'd be used as Kevin Smith. he's one of the 18 forum user characters your definition of useless wacked

  • you eliminate the cowboy... but not the indian... apparently because we have a cowboy already. but you ignore the fact that it's in a vastly different art style. and also... and this might sound crazy... but what about having TWO cowboys! i know, i know! but then the cowboy wouldn't have to talk to his identical twin whenever you want him to talk to another cowboy. because i hear that cowboys do talk to other cowboys. even more than robots and space aliens (not more than cows though)

  • you eliminate 2 more forumuser characters, mmyers and Chi_the_Cynic. mmyers made the mistake of wearing a cowboy hat and looking the part of the perfect Texan. poor guy never saw you coming

  • you eliminate 3 girls in bikinis, a playboy bunny, an angel, and a devil girl, because you're obviously gayer than Liberace living in the 1920s. and because i guess we have too many people in bathing suits, too many angels, devil girls, and playboy bunnies, and that the last would go just TERRIBLY with the restaurant background.

  • you eliminated the sea monkey. you. eliminated. the. sea. monkey. i know it's a messy divorce, but part of me wonders if you ever loved me at all. and i should point out that by this reasoning you also just eliminated all the dolphins, sharks, crabs, etc, then snorted a line of coke and eliminated either the red or blue fish as well.

my point is that "useless" is a subjective term, and that your being in the minority opinion shows that your idea of what's useless isn't in step with the average user here. but even if it was objective, dependent strictly upon the patterns set by the characters we now have, your opinion of what's useless and what isn't is out of step

in reality though, it is a subjective decision. one that will ultimately be made by brad, i'd guess based on bandwidth and esthetics like you said. if Brad wants input, one thing he could do is say something like "OK, i only want to add 7 characters, so decide which ones are your favorites." or "i'm only adding 7 characters, and these are the ones i've chosen."

*pours out brine solution for dead sea monkey homies*

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Drexle
February 26, 2006 5:01 PM

For what it's worth, I'm not sure the Matrix charaters would be a good idea not because of any dislike of the movie, but because those of us who have been around for a long time remember the bongo fiasco.

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LuckyGuess
February 26, 2006 5:54 PM

Sea monkey. That funky monkey.

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ArtemisStrong
February 26, 2006 10:18 PM

whaddabout mr. and mrs. paperbaggia?

thnx imgshck.

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Injokester
February 27, 2006 12:18 AM

quote:
those of us who have been around for a long time remember the bongo fiasco.

I never expected the matrix characters to go up, I drew them for a short series I made a while back.

Actually most of the art I've done was never intended for SC. I did have something else in mind, which has since been put on hold indefinately, as a result I sent Brad a small selection of characters I don't mind him adding, the rest he doesn't actually have my permission to add to the site.

Since Brad has never shown any inclination to add any of the new stuff that was made I don't see much point in reconsidering my position.

I have however set up a topic on the photoshop board which contains all my art, including a ton of characters that have never been shown on SC. If Brad comes out and says he wants to add all the art everyone did I'll give it some consideration, short of that if anyone wants to use them they can feel free to cut and paste in MSpaint.

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crabby
February 27, 2006 12:38 AM

That looks suspiciously alot like DX holding my severed head.

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Injokester
February 27, 2006 1:06 AM

Yeah, I drew DX a while back, but he didn't want me to post my version because you'd be pissed that he got a third forumuser character. As a compromise I thought I'd do the two of you together. (I started doing it as a zombie, but thought the machete looked better).

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Brad
February 27, 2006 5:50 AM

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Actually most of the art I've done was never intended for SC. I did have something else in mind, which has since been put on hold indefinately, as a result I sent Brad a small selection of characters I don't mind him adding, the rest he doesn't actually have my permission to add to the site.

Since Brad has never shown any inclination to add any of the new stuff that was made I don't see much point in reconsidering my position.



I'll be adding a lot of the new stuff sometime soon. I've just been a bit concerned about the character selection becoming too overwhelming for new users and also busy as hell.

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crabby
February 27, 2006 11:23 AM

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Yeah, I drew DX a while back, but he didn't want me to post my version because you'd be pissed that he got a third forumuser character.
Uhhhhhhhhhh........ok

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mandingo
February 27, 2006 4:24 PM

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That looks suspiciously alot like DX holding my severed head.
what's funny is that you don't look angry at him for doing it. just very very disappointed in a sort of i raised you better than that way

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crabby
February 27, 2006 4:56 PM

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That looks suspiciously alot like DX holding my severed head.
what's funny is that you don't look angry at him for doing it. just very very disappointed in a sort of i raised you better than that way
I can't imagine what other sort of emotion would be going through my body at that time.

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Injokester
February 27, 2006 11:38 PM

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I'll be adding a lot of the new stuff sometime soon. I've just been a bit concerned about the character selection becoming too overwhelming for new users and also busy as hell.

Alright, it doesn't look like my project is going anywhere for the time being, so if you want to add anything I've done, feel free (I'll e-mail you all the characters later tonight). If you could possibly give me an approximate timeframe of when you might be doing this I'd appreciate it, there's a chance I might be able to sell some of my art, so I'd like to follow up on this asap.

As for the organisation, I still say you should make some art donor only, aside from the possible increase in donations, it'll make things a lot easier for new users.

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Rabid_Weasle
February 28, 2006 8:11 PM

Is that my barn?

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Injokester
February 28, 2006 9:49 PM

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Is that my barn?

Yes! You have to squint, but you can just see it.

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Brad
March 1, 2006 7:48 AM

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Alright, it doesn't look like my project is going anywhere for the time being, so if you want to add anything I've done, feel free (I'll e-mail you all the characters later tonight). If you could possibly give me an approximate timeframe of when you might be doing this I'd appreciate it, there's a chance I might be able to sell some of my art, so I'd like to follow up on this asap.

Probably within the next two weeks I'll start adding some.

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As for the organisation, I still say you should make some art donor only, aside from the possible increase in donations, it'll make things a lot easier for new users.

I feel a little scummy doing that, but it may be the best solution.

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mmyers
March 1, 2006 9:39 AM

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I wish I could quit mmyers.

Stripback mountain

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BigFrank105
March 1, 2006 10:14 AM

This new art is fabulous... But whatever happened to the "Tobor's Pizza" one, or would that infringe the copyright from dieselsweeties/explodingdog?

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TheGovernor
March 1, 2006 11:58 AM

what about splitting the make page into 2, a beginners mode and an advanced mode (with an option in preferences). The beginners mode can come with a few carefully selected sets or even the original stripcreator sets, and a few backgrounds (again chosen carefully) and an advanced mode where everything is available. This way a new user stumbling upon the site isnt overwhelmed by the level of art available.

Another idea I had today was customisable favourites set(s), whereby a user can create a their own set of their most used characters (alternatively you could base it on the characters they use the most or within the last 10 strips or whatever), this would also be ideal for those of us who do series and use the same characters over and over.

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not_Scyess
March 1, 2006 1:11 PM

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this would also be ideal for those of us who do series and use the same characters over and over.
For stuff like that, I still like the idea of a "copy comic" button.

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NeoVid
March 1, 2006 2:53 PM

Man, I've had a comic in mind using Finn's forumuser for so long now...

And maybe you should redraw the indian so he matches the current cowboy.

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Brad
March 1, 2006 4:26 PM

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what about splitting the make page into 2, a beginners mode and an advanced mode (with an option in preferences). The beginners mode can come with a few carefully selected sets or even the original stripcreator sets, and a few backgrounds (again chosen carefully) and an advanced mode where everything is available. This way a new user stumbling upon the site isnt overwhelmed by the level of art available.

I like this idea. I've been thinking along the lines of a way to dynamically select between art sets ("new user" and "advanced" lets say), but that gets really tricky to do while you're editing. Maybe a whole other make page is worthwhile. There are some other features I've been thinking about putting in but haven't wanted to because of the clutter.

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Another idea I had today was customisable favourites set(s), whereby a user can create a their own set of their most used characters (alternatively you could base it on the characters they use the most or within the last 10 strips or whatever), this would also be ideal for those of us who do series and use the same characters over and over.

That's a good idea too, though probably a ton of work for something most users won't use. I think the clone comic idea (to use other comics as a template) would be simpler to add and more or less accomplish the same thing, no?

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mandingo
March 1, 2006 7:21 PM

quote:
what about splitting the make page into 2, a beginners mode and an advanced mode (with an option in preferences).
this idea is awesome... zor

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Injokester
March 3, 2006 4:04 PM

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I feel a little scummy doing that, but it may be the best solution.

Alternately would it be possible to give access based on merit and time with stripcreator?

eg: only allow the new art to people that have been with stripcreator 6 months and have a 3 star rating or higher.

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Brad
March 3, 2006 5:01 PM

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I feel a little scummy doing that, but it may be the best solution.

Alternately would it be possible to give access based on merit and time with stripcreator?

eg: only allow the new art to people that have been with stripcreator 6 months and have a 3 star rating or higher.



That's an interesting idea, but I think would cause more complaints than letting people just pay for it. "user x just voted me down and now I can't use the new art."

Right now I'm thinking about doing this advanced make page with more art and options for donors and also finally making the delete function available to all users.

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squidrabies
March 3, 2006 5:40 PM

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And maybe you should redraw the indian so he matches the current cowboy.

I didn't draw the current cowboy.
I also don't see what the big deal is, as both my cowboy and idian would go into my category, which isn't all that full.
Not to mention my cowboy isn't just a cowboy. It's the Lone frigging Ranger. Let's see you do Lone Ranger jokes with the current cowboy. Wouldn't really work. But you can still do regular cowboy jokes with the Lone Ranger. And imagine the amount of Brokeback Mountain jokes that could be made between my Lone Ranger, Mmeyers' character and the regular cowboy as the "straight man".

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LuckyGuess
March 3, 2006 6:01 PM

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imagine the amount of Brokeback Mountain jokes that could be made between my Lone Ranger, Mmeyers' character and the regular cowboy as the "straight man".
I think you're doin' a little more than generating gravitons up on that mountain.

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Injokester
March 3, 2006 7:32 PM

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Injokester
March 3, 2006 9:22 PM

quote:
That's an interesting idea, but I think would cause more complaints than letting people just pay for it. "user x just voted me down and now I can't use the new art."

Yeah, I guess that would happen. It would probably also increase the number of rating requests by PM.

Also, if you really want to spruce this place up you could always add another layer to the comics, to allow alternate facial expressions to be overlayed onto the characters.

I can't speak for the other artists, but I'd have no problem drawing up a dozen or so faces for each character.

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User #57357
March 6, 2006 4:33 PM

FINALLY!! I've wanted users in a car forever. And now, squid comes to shoot his wonderful ink at us. Ink of love!

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crabby
March 6, 2006 6:26 PM

Fag.

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Injokester
March 6, 2006 6:30 PM

quote:
FINALLY!! I've wanted users in a car forever. And now, squid comes to shoot his wonderful ink at us. Ink of love!

smamurai drew the car.

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crabby
March 6, 2006 6:32 PM

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FINALLY!! I've wanted users in a car forever. And now, squid comes to shoot his wonderful ink at us. Ink of love!

smamurai drew the car.
Way to just straight up tell him instead of just mocking him with sarcasm. I really respect what you do here.

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Injokester
March 6, 2006 6:41 PM

Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour. After a Kaenash comic.

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theReverend
March 10, 2006 12:57 PM

vagina

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