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joshw
October 12, 2001 3:34 PM

Has anyone else noticed the newbie explosion. There are ALOT of new people. I have a list of the people who have joined after me.

arrandildoandcompany
israphael
lara7
DH-10
mankyman
itsclark
Kevin Keegans Perm
Grayfox
menbah
chonchball
wenisinfurs
parsley
fuck
lemur68
fuzzyman
mondlicht
jezabel666
hellenicbadass
nafla
madman
vekktor
Kevin Keegans peepee
Cremlian
mistergiantrobot
????
TOBOR
meh
and these are just the people that use the forums. Has it always been like this?

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bunnerabb October 12, 2001 3:53 PM	Yeah, boy.... Nervey bastards.
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andydougan October 12, 2001 4:02 PM	I'm almost completely certain DH-01 and itsclark were around before josh was...
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BigEvilDan October 12, 2001 4:25 PM	Not to mention Tobor.
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joshw October 12, 2001 5:11 PM	OKay my mistake, itsclark was here before me, but DH-10 wasnt and TOBOR wasnt actually a stripcreator member until about a week after i was.
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bunnerabb October 12, 2001 5:45 PM	Does this.... mean anything? 8- /
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BigEvilDan October 12, 2001 5:53 PM	quote: OKay my mistake, itsclark was here before me, but DH-10 wasnt and TOBOR wasnt actually a stripcreator member until about a week after i was. DH was here back in March, and Tobor's first comic on his current account was on August 9th. And he had one long before the database merger.
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joshw October 12, 2001 6:33 PM	WELL WHERE THE HELL HAVE THEY BEEN. Well I can understand why TOBOR wasn't here, but DH-10? Anyway 3 out of like 30 or something isnt that bad, and the ones i missed do more than make uup for the lost spaces. And I still ask this question, Has it always been like this?
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Esteemster October 12, 2001 6:38 PM	Just what is with the influx of newbies lately? Damn, they suck. Why can't everybody be a long-standing acquaintance of mine? I resent the fact that there are people that I don't know, and that they're out there right now, doing things -- without me!
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BigEvilDan October 12, 2001 6:39 PM	quote: And I still ask this question, Has it always been like this? What, you mean people showing up and posting stuff? No, it was never like this.
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ladyjdotnet
October 12, 2001 6:39 PM

Has it always been like what? Have asshole newbies come in here and challenged the way things are without having anything close to enough experience or background to make demands? Yes. It's been happening here, and on other forums, chat groups, channels, newsgroups, bulletin board systems, etc. since time immemorial. It happens in real life, too. The difference is that in real life, spaztards can be booted in the face.

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itsclark October 12, 2001 6:40 PM	I'm just gratified to have my name mentioned over and over, in this or any thread. Please feel free to argue about my standing in the forums any time.
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habnem October 12, 2001 6:54 PM	i was here before you, josh, but menbah was a creation of mine from just the other night... if you'd bother to research, you'd know menbah wasn't a newbie, in the technical sense. besides, from what i've seen, the good newbies wind up sticking around, while the bad ones get the hint quickly and bugger off. of course, some of them get the hint very slowly. they still bugger off, though. (:
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andydougan October 12, 2001 7:04 PM	38865
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wirthling October 12, 2001 7:07 PM	itsclark's impressive package, that is...
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gabe_billings October 12, 2001 7:54 PM	quote: ...spaztards can be booted in the face. You rule.
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gabe_billings
October 12, 2001 8:00 PM

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WELL WHERE THE HELL HAVE THEY BEEN. Well I can understand why TOBOR wasn't here, but DH-10? Anyway 3 out of like 30 or something isnt that bad, and the ones i missed do more than make uup for the lost spaces. And I still ask this question, Has it always been like this?

Would you like a serious answer to your question? As LadyJ mentioned, these forums, as with many things, on and offline, have an influx of new people. As with most things, they don't all stick around. People pop in, stick their feet in the proverbial pool to test the water, and most just disappear. A few stick around to make up the core of people that seem to have little else to do than sit around here and shoot the shit.

I started taking Aikido classes about two months ago. Since I've joined I've seen more than a dozen new people start. I asked the same sort of question you're asking, and some of the senior students told me that about 90% of the newbies disappear in the first month. Sean, the friend of mine that turned me on to the whole idea and started at the same time has already given up, not being able to juggle a full time job, school and still go to Aikido a couple of times a week.

So no matter what you're talking about, you're going to have new people. And maybe there have been a few more than usual lately, but the longer Stripcreator hangs around, the more likely people are to find out about it.

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wirthling October 12, 2001 8:02 PM	Aikido = ancient Japanese art of dragon-felching
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gabe_billings October 12, 2001 8:14 PM	You should know, master. It is from you that I have learned all of my techniques. Soon I will leave your dojo and make my way in the world.
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wirthling October 12, 2001 8:25 PM	Patience, grasshopper.
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ObiJo October 12, 2001 10:51 PM	quote: Sean, the friend of mine that turn...s...me...o...n...a couple of times a week. Freak job. I have little doubt that some of the newbies are all the same person. I've always felt that Deisel is smarter than he lets on and takes on multiple personas in some kind of grand social experiment the likes of which only Hari Seldon has ever dreamt!
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arrandildocompany October 12, 2001 10:56 PM	quote: Has anyone else noticed the newbie explosion. There are ALOT of new people. I have a list of the people who have joined after me. arrandildoandcompany... and these are just the people that use the forums. Has it always been like this? Ahem. My first comic is dated about three months before your first. And I've done about twenty more than you.
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gabe_billings October 13, 2001 5:20 AM	And I'm sure your mother would be proud.
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fuzzyman
October 13, 2001 7:23 AM

Yes, but I'm a QUALITY newbie. As a comic fan who does humor in other mediums -- see www.dumbentia.com -- but can't draw worth a crap, this is a godsend.

Speaking of which, how many strips or how much time does it take to graduate from Newbie to something more respectable?

I think stripcreator got a mention somewhere on Keenspot. It least, that is where I found out about it... don't remember exactly which strip.

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ladyjdotnet
October 13, 2001 8:01 AM

Growing out of newbiedom requires the following three things:

1) You stop referring to yourself as a newbie, but you don't get all defensive if others do.
2) You accept this group as it is. We are a lot of people; you are one. Pathetic newbie whinings just ensure that the newbie stays a newbie, and an unliked one, at that.
3) You don't actively try to jump out of newbie level on your own. Becoming a non-newbie cannot be forced. People who are cool enough to not be newbies for long will be accepted much more rapidly just as a rule. Trying to force that situation is lame, because it means you're walking around saying, "Am I cool yet? How about now? Still not cool? OK, how about now?"

This is just as I see it.

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ladyjdotnet October 13, 2001 8:06 AM	quote: Yes, but I'm a QUALITY newbie. As a comic fan who does humor in other mediums -- see www.dumbentia.com -- but can't draw worth a crap, this is a godsend. You might want to fix your sig so the hyperlink doesn't have quotes in it. As you can see (if you test it), the link goes nowhere.
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DexX October 13, 2001 10:15 AM	More info on what LadyJ said, the link in your .sig is currently: http://www.stripcreator.com/forums/"http://www.dumbentia.com" Kill the quotes, mate.
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DH-01 October 13, 2001 10:52 AM	Um... well. First off, it's DH-01, you NITWIT! Or just Darkheart One or DH1. Yeesh. And yes, I've been here since March. Lookit the date on my first comic, people. I just had a very long, sad hiatus thanks to some truly rough... er, I'll pass on the explaination, but STILL. I'm, like, not a newbie. Trust me on this. That is all. Pink donkeys to everyone. -DH1
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fuzzyman October 13, 2001 12:59 PM	quote: quote: Yes, but I'm a QUALITY newbie. As a comic fan who does humor in other mediums -- see www.dumbentia.com -- but can't draw worth a crap, this is a godsend. You might want to fix your sig so the hyperlink doesn't have quotes in it. As you can see (if you test it), the link goes nowhere. Strange... there are no quotes, and it works for me.
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fuzzyman October 13, 2001 1:05 PM	Okay, let's try this... I see how the sig was getting messed up -- but strangely, I what was showing as the hyperlink is not what I put in the sig (nor was it what was there when I checked). But lets see if letting the site auto hyperlink it works...
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manky_man October 13, 2001 1:08 PM	This is besides the point but, why don't we have more that one moderator? Brad does it all, Senior members such as crabby and DexX for example-they could moderate. Just thought I'd put that in there.
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ladyjdotnet October 13, 2001 1:26 PM	The reason we don't have that is because this is Brad's site, and he hasn't offered anyone that privilege or power. Having chatted with him about other stuff, I get the impression that it's very much not on his agenda. I don't think we need more moderators. I think we do fine on our own.
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fuzzyman
October 13, 2001 1:31 PM

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Growing out of newbiedom requires the following three things:

1) You stop referring to yourself as a newbie, but you don't get all defensive if others do.
2) You accept this group as it is. We are a lot of people; you are one. Pathetic newbie whinings just ensure that the newbie stays a newbie, and an unliked one, at that.
3) You don't actively try to jump out of newbie level on your own. Becoming a non-newbie cannot be forced. People who are cool enough to not be newbies for long will be accepted much more rapidly just as a rule. Trying to force that situation is lame, because it means you're walking around saying, "Am I cool yet? How about now? Still not cool? OK, how about now?"

This is just as I see it.

Hmmm. You've read a bit more into my question than I thought, but thanks for your insights.

I was asking the question under the assumption that the title "Stripcreator Newbie" that appears under my name in the forum was an automatic function that changed programatically (much the way an eBay star rating changes after a certain amount of positive feedback is received).

From your answer, it would appear that this is not the case, and that a title is conferred upon a newbie if and when someone decides they deserve it.

In which case... whatever. Mainly, having been on the net in it's various incarnations since 1984, seeing the term "newbie" under my name is a bit disconcerting. But since it is out of my control in terms of how many strips I do, etc... well, what will be will be.

To your point -- I don't see any point (or need) to change the group -- I'm not sure what it would accomplish if one tried. Either I fit in here and I like the people or I don't. If I don't, I find something else to do with my time.

In the end I don't care if anyone thinks I'm cool (I don't have much control over that -- no mater what you do, SOMEONE will think you're a dick), as long as they think my strips are funny.

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manky_man October 13, 2001 1:42 PM	[quoteIn the end I don't care if anyone thinks I'm cool (I don't have much control over that -- no mater what you do, SOMEONE will think you're a dick), as long as they think my strips are funny. Well said, well said. Makes me think I should of done something with my comicstripcreatorism. Oh well (goes back to sucking on cola)
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ladyjdotnet
October 13, 2001 1:45 PM

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From your answer, it would appear that this is not the case, and that a title is conferred upon a newbie if and when someone decides they deserve it.

It was not just for your benefit. I decided to post it for the good of all.

The "Stripcreator Newbie" title itself means nothing regarding how we feel about a person. There are lots of people who would be considered non-newbies with that title, and a lot more who are still considered newbies despite their titles. All it means is that a certain number of forum posts have yet to be made using that account.

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In which case... whatever. Mainly, having been on the net in it's various incarnations since 1984, seeing the term "newbie" under my name is a bit disconcerting. But since it is out of my control in terms of how many strips I do, etc... well, what will be will be.

Deal with it. Every time you join a new group, you are a newbie again - not to the net in general, granted... but to that group. Actions speak more loudly than words. If you've been online that long, this should be a fundamental truth you understand by now.

Frankly, when someone expects to be treated differently than other newbies because of his internet longevity, it makes me more inclined to hold him to a higher standard before I respect him.

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To your point -- I don't see any point (or need) to change the group -- I'm not sure what it would accomplish if one tried. Either I fit in here and I like the people or I don't. If I don't, I find something else to do with my time.

Again, that part was speaking more to certain other newbies. Don't be so self-centered. :)

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In the end I don't care if anyone thinks I'm cool (I don't have much control over that -- no mater what you do, SOMEONE will think you're a dick), as long as they think my strips are funny.

That's a good attitude.

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crabby October 13, 2001 2:02 PM	quote: (goes back to sucking on cola) He's sucking on something alright.
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fuzzyman
October 13, 2001 2:39 PM

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Frankly, when someone expects to be treated differently than other newbies because of his internet longevity, it makes me more inclined to hold him to a higher standard before I respect him.

Oh, I don't expect to be treated differently. I was just explaining why seeing "newbie" next to my name was annoying to me. In terms of making it go away, I accede to the requirements of the community. Now I (sort of) know what those requirements are. I think.

In terms of being self-centered -- well, if a note is addressed to me, I assume that the comments are directed at me unless otherwise noted. So there :-)

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gabe_billings October 13, 2001 4:18 PM	You should have gotten here in the first month when it was a desolate wasteland. Back then everyone was pretty much a newbie at the same time. I should have bought Microsoft when it went public, too.
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gabe_billings October 13, 2001 4:25 PM	quote: This is besides the point but, why don't we have more that one moderator? Brad does it all, Senior members such as crabby and DexX for example-they could moderate. Just thought I'd put that in there. Anyone can be a moderator! You just need to pay Brad $100 a month.
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ladyjdotnet October 13, 2001 4:46 PM	quote: quote: This is besides the point but, why don't we have more that one moderator? Brad does it all, Senior members such as crabby and DexX for example-they could moderate. Just thought I'd put that in there. Anyone can be a moderator! You just need to pay Brad $100 a month. Shhh! Don't tell them about that! Then they'll all want in.
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itsclark October 13, 2001 6:39 PM	I yam what I yam. Check out my brand-spanking new title! It stands as my modest protest against internet tribalism and society's quickness to slap labels on people, ect. Or maybe it's a defensive attempt to defuse criticism by advertising my own self-doubts. Aw fuck it. Actually I was just drunk.
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evil_d
October 13, 2001 9:03 PM

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This is besides the point but, why don't we have more that one moderator? Brad does it all, Senior members such as crabby and DexX for example-they could moderate. Just thought I'd put that in there.

One word: Slashdot.

On the subject of being or not being a newbie, I must repeat what I've said before. You can never lose your newbie status -- here or anywhere -- by trying. You'll usually just annoy others if you do. Stop trying, and you will succeed.

Knowing how to conduct oneself when one is new to a group is an important social skill both in physical space and cyberspace. If you don't have it, learn it. Lesson one: don't talk about being new, don't make a big deal about being new.

If you're just concerned about the "Stripcreator Newbie" tag under your name, I'm pretty sure that's tied to (a) your number of posts and (b) whether you've contributed money to support the site.

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Drexle October 13, 2001 9:11 PM	Yep... I'm pretty sure my title would be "Strip Creator Veteran" if I hadn't contributed a while back... but considering that there are people who have been here so much longer than me who are still in TOBOR's fanclub, it would just be wrong. I hope you don't mind small donations, Brad... that one I sent before was probably the largest I can send for a while.
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zenboy
October 13, 2001 9:17 PM

Y'all need to fuck off. I mean, people "making outrageous demands with no idea what they're asking" is pretty much how this whole thing started. Damn near everyone I remember from them who is still on now was on the "Let's see if Johnny/Brad will break his pelvis taking it up the ass for us if we just whine long enough" bandwagon. I mean, so many posts of "U NEEDA PREVEW PAIN OR WNDOW CUZ LIK SEVEN TIMS I POSTED AN DI FORGOT TO SPELL BLOW ME RIGHT OVER DEUCE'S HEAD" and the CONSTANT BITCHING to allow people to delete comics, or to delete offensive comics, or to delete comics that made someone feel bad. Lots of newbies? Yes. Do you have the right to say word one about them causing "trouble" in this fine community? Well, son, the answer to that one is FUCKING NO.

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ladyjdotnet
October 13, 2001 10:41 PM

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Y'all need to fuck off. I mean, people "making outrageous demands with no idea what they're asking" is pretty much how this whole thing started. Damn near everyone I remember from them who is still on now was on the "Let's see if Johnny/Brad will break his pelvis taking it up the ass for us if we just whine long enough" bandwagon. I mean, so many posts of "U NEEDA PREVEW PAIN OR WNDOW CUZ LIK SEVEN TIMS I POSTED AN DI FORGOT TO SPELL BLOW ME RIGHT OVER DEUCE'S HEAD" and the CONSTANT BITCHING to allow people to delete comics, or to delete offensive comics, or to delete comics that made someone feel bad. Lots of newbies? Yes. Do you have the right to say word one about them causing "trouble" in this fine community? Well, son, the answer to that one is FUCKING NO.

Um, zenboy. We already have one incomprehensible heroin addict poster. Do you think you could try a different shtick?

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zenboy October 14, 2001 9:43 AM	quote: Um, zenboy. We already have one incomprehensible heroin addict poster. Do you think you could try a different shtick? Oh, alright, I'll stop, and transform myself into "mindless mob component" here. So, forget what I said. I hate the fact that more people are enjoying this special thing. Hate it hate it.
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fuck October 14, 2001 10:52 AM	fuck you!!i am not a newby!! i may just have 4 comisc but there all brilant un-like you lameers!! i beleive in quallaty not quantaty.
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habnem October 14, 2001 11:01 AM	quote: i beleive in quallaty not quantaty. this is perhaps the single most beautiful sentence i have ever seen in my LIFE!
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NeoVid October 14, 2001 1:29 PM	quote: quote: i beleive in quallaty not quantaty. this is perhaps the single most beautiful sentence i have ever seen in my LIFE! Reminds me of two businesses near where I live: Precission Haircuts, and Relyable Job Placement.
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andydougan October 14, 2001 1:39 PM	quote: quote: quote: i beleive in quallaty not quantaty. this is perhaps the single most beautiful sentence i have ever seen in my LIFE! Reminds me of two businesses near where I live: Precission Haircuts, and Relyable Job Placement. Actual ad from The Guardian, reprinted in Private Eye a couple of months ago: LEARN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGAGE!
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