Been doing some updates, soon to post a troll page on blt (which means I get to go through the thread. again. yay)

Quick question, I see a page on crabby created in recent changes but not posted anywhere. Can somebody go over that/edit that and give me a clue as to where to put it/ put it somewhere themselves? It looks like a hate page right now and I'm not sure what to do with it but leave it floating.

I think you should post it. I love the attention.

I didn't realize that had been brought up already. I just posted something on the wiki discussions today as it had been floating a couple days and I figured no one knew it was out there. Other than the creator, of course.

Guess I'll just make it a little less hatey and put some more info for a complete troll page.

Why are we putting so much effort toward memorializing trolls? I can think of many trolls who could merit their own wiki entry, but why give them more attention. It seems like it would just invite more trolls, just so they could end up on our Hall of Shame.

Stripcreator is a site for making comics. Let's talk about that. Maybe that will give newbs a sense of the history and positive culture aspects of the site.

Well these are just the famous trolls. And I wasn't around long enough to know the Golden Age stories. Somebody will have to clue me in.

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PORNOGRAPHY!!!

Should we title it "Don't do what Johnny Don't Does?"

I'm not anti-troll pages, but it is a tiny bit unsettling that the documented history of Stripcreator seems to be a long list of trolls. I assumed with nearly 400,000 comics there'd be a bit more going on.

I think the Ode to BLT thread should go in famous threads. I was re-reading some of it yesterday and that thread is a gold mine of GREAT poems, thoughtfull discussion and retarded bullshit.

Though thinking about it, there has been some creative stuff that has come out of trolls. The Makk_Benn sub_m7 geocities page is pretty hilarious.

Well why not also include pages for some of Stripcreators more illustrious comic creators, characters, interesting people, general rouges, interesting amigos, that sort of thing. No offence but isn't glorifying trolls just as bad as feeding them with posts in the first place? I know there have been exceptions, and sometimes its great to have that comedic foil whom you know is going to react brilliantly to our whims, but to grant them the honour of a wiki page for their sins seems excessive, Id prefer that honour to go to the Kaufmans, ObiJos, Boorite's, UnknownErics, mmyerses, umfumdisis, choads, chikas, niteowls (christ Im digging myself a hole here, but if you're not mentioned its more down to the fact Ive made my point than any kind of favouritism, belive me), bipeds, kramers, dougans, spanklings, big evil people etc, of this place,  who have for me at least, made this place a fun place to hang out these past few years.

In just making your list you've exposed why we shouldn't have pages dedicated to the general users on this site. Everyone will want a page and a certain amount of favoritism has to be applied, considering that there are a large number of users on this site and any one of them can make an argument as to why they should be on the wiki. Featuring the trolls is, as I said before, like posting "Don't do what Johnny Don't does." I see it as a resource for new users to see that what they're doing isn't new, they will be exposed for the what they are, and their behavior isn't going to be taken very well by the users here.

I understand the argument that it is glorifying them, but glorifying them for a reason. To make an example out of them.

By having pages dedicated to the people who have won comic contests and linking users who have made other contributions (gabe starting the IAACG thread), I think the regular users are getting their due credit on the wiki.

Generally bad trolls have the unfortunate circumstances of having their personal information found and exploited when trolling this site. So. That may be a deterrent.

As for 'famous' users, I'd have to coduct interviews with every person put into the history that was deemed appropriate by... who? Who says who gets into the wiki and who doesn't? Should I just make a donor bio page and document everybody? It'd take a while, but it's doable.

Plus I'm not the only one who can edit this. I bet some of you have something interesting to add.

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Generally bad trolls have the unfortunate circumstances of having their personal information found and exploited when trolling this site. So. That may be a deterrent.

As for 'famous' users, I'd have to coduct interviews with every person put into the history that was deemed appropriate by... who? Who says who gets into the wiki and who doesn't? Should I just make a donor bio page and document everybody? It'd take a while, but it's doable.

Plus I'm not the only one who can edit this. I bet some of you have something interesting to add.

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This sounds a little jackassy. Sorry.

Instead of doing separate pages for users, how about doing a vital info list like the one we used to have at woodenbadger.com?  (I just checked--it seems to be gone.)  It was a good idea but after awhile it never got updated.

I was thinking of making a Hall of Fame, starting with Kaufman as the most obvious first inductee. I saw that he's listed as an Inside Joke, and I expanded on his entry since he is much more than that, but still think we might want to pay homage to the legends such as him.

Another entry might be Boinky33 who made 3000 comics then was banned. It's an epic rise and fall.

And what is the yardstick in which you will be measuring these legends?

Post count, comic count and how long they've been a member? (donor only?)

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And what is the yardstick in which you will be measuring these legends?

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Well, with Kaufman, he's won more CC's than anyone else, made 2500 comics, appears on more Favorites than anyone--any one of the three could qualify for some sort of recognition, but together, they make him a legend. I should go on about him, as he was also a positive influence on the site and many users, and his contributions in the early years through 2005 helped build and define the Stripcreator community.

With Boinky, he was prolific and certainly a large part of the community (no pun intended), but he ended up getting banned over a feud with Chubby (who was banned a month later). The uproar over Boinky's banning and protests to allow him back was a major controversy.

Who else? How about Brad? That one is a given.

ObiJo/Mandingo--won the first CC, and is second in overall wins after Kaufman. Didn't reveal himself as an alias for 2 years.

So what's the yardstick?

--Unique accomplishments

--Major contributions

--Historical significance

I don't know. Stuff like that. Hold me up to that yardstick, and I don't measure up, since I'm just a guy who has made a lot of comics over the years, but I can't say I've done anything truly remarkable. Like any wiki, it will evolve over time, but for now, I'd keep it to the pioneers and users who have stood out for some unique reason.

Not disagreeing, just offering perspective.

 With all the uproar over ratings, how long will it be before there's an uproar over who is included and who isn't included?

Furthermore, with the fact that it is publicly editable, who is to say someone won't take advantage of this to write on a legend's page simply because they don't like them? As has already been the case with the floating crabby page.

I'd like to avoid jealousy and controversy that may shut down access to the wiki or shut down the wiki completely.

Well, there are a few things worth considering:

- Just because a page is created for users, doesn't mean it's accessible from anywhere. That crabby page was clearly trollish in nature but it wasn't linked from any of the pages that I saw, so I don't care too much. Probably eventually I'd go through and clean out pages that aren't linked to anywhere.

- If someone edits pages in an annoying way, that's what the wiki history is for. We can revert those edits.

- If it's going to be a real problem, it's not a big deal to switch the wiki so that only users with accounts can edit it. Right now it's wide open, but we'll see how that goes.

- It's also likely that if the wiki develops as it has been, I'll move it to the Stripcreator server where I'll have more control over security, etc.

Also if there's a need for a more fleshed-out user information database, I could add some fields to the SC user database. I've never bothered because I figured people didn't want to be bothered entering their location, etc, etc.

I would also add to the Hall of Fame those users who have contributed a significant amount of artwork to the site:

DexX

Kaddar

Injokester

Squidrabies

Rabid Weasle

Perhaps to cut down on jealosy or controversy, after the initial round of groundbreaking users, we have an annual vote like pro sports halls of fame. That way, it's open for nomination and vote using pre-defined criteria.

Well, it is a wiki. If somebody wants to have a page, they can make one about themselves. If somebody wants to make a page about somebody else, they can. If somebody doesn't want a page about themselves, they can delete it.

Just don't anybody start a Kaenesh page. Yeesh!

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Perhaps to cut down on jealosy or controversy, after the initial round of groundbreaking users, we have an annual vote like pro sports halls of fame. That way, it's open for nomination and vote using pre-defined criteria.

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That's definitely the way to go.

It would be great to run a hall of fame and enter one new member a year though, and I'm happy to volunteer some sort of custom image to commemorate each induction.

I do have a suggestion for now though- how about forming a wiki committee to get everything under way? Anybody with an idea contacts them, they collate everything and put a poll together for everyone to vote on. This could be a great way to give recognition to the users here if at least part of it is 'official'. What does everyone else think?

  I think we should first create a provisional wiki committee to determine how the actual wiki committee should convene, the rules of conduct, the election process, and term limits.  Then, once the new wiki committee is convened, we can have the UN monitor their progress for the first five or ten years and determine whether the wiki's rule of law is strong enough to remove their peacekeeping troops.

Or we could just write stuff to it.  It's a fucking wiki, people.  Jesus.

If you want to commemerate someone who doesn't visit the site anymore, just go ahead and create the page. They're probably not going to care either way, and if you still remember them months after they left, there's probably something worth writing about them.

If you want to honor someone who still posts here, you're better off doing it in the forums, or by commenting on their comics, or rating them, all of which are more likely to be useful and appreciated.

Either way, adding voting or commitees or guidelines to the process will just add drama to something which should be pretty simple. I mean, this is a format where it takes a few seconds to replace someone's carefully written article with the word "dongs". Structure was never really in the cards.

dongs

Hey guys, there's some stuff on my to-do list right now, but there are still some other things that could be added that I really don't feel like I have the authority to do:

1. A blurb about the CD swap would be nice.

2. What are the rules of this contest? contest summary in comic competitions (after all, we are giving recognition to Ocean Comics as an actual contest).

3. This idea is kind of debateable, but I feel like there are some other in-jokes that could be added, such as Randomly Appearing Snowman, Aha! It is me, Jesus, Non-sequitor donkey, and so forth. Perhaps someone could make a "lesser known" or "new" in-joke link and page on the front page and put all of these in one thing? Or do you think any of them are worth mentioning at all?

I'm leaving the third one open to brief discussion, since I'm not even really sure how I feel about it, but if it feels consensusy, is there anyone who would be willing to do it?

*I* can do it! At some point!

Eventually AWAAAAAAAY!

You're likely going to want to get a consultant for #2. The forums don't go far back enough to see the first few contests, and I wasn't around when it was begun. As far as I know, I've never even participated in one (until a couple days ago, when I was trying to research them for the article), though I've enjoyed watching them progress.

By the way, why don't you ever come to IRC anymore?

It would be easier than leaving posts and pming each other when we're wiki editing.

I rarely get on IRC anymore, just because it distracts me from my readings and stuff.

Constantly, as opposed to short bursts.

That was for the haters.

I'm quite proud of our work. I'm trying to NOT edit the wiki for a day. We'll see how that goes.

I added a Stripcreator Terminology page:

http://stripcreator.wikispaces.com/Terminology

Thanks brad. I've been trying to make things as clear as possible, in case new users want to read through it. That make things lots clearer.

Is there any way to make edits logged in users only? That would really be preferable to fixing the pages after some idiot decides to come along and be a jackass. It also lets me know who did it so I can hunt them down and give them a lecture about respect that their mother should have given them long ago.

About the Purity Test:

According to the wiki...

"Some strippers have taken the quiz more than once and have varied their loginname slightly as the quiz only allows you to take it once per name."

Not true. You can take it as many times as you want without varying your username. I have no blocks in place for usernames. I do have blocks in place to prevent people from taking the test more than once per day, as stated in the wiki.

And a question...what's so bad about having your username link your comics here? I never understood that.

I believe I have made the wiki private. Now you need to have an approved account to make edits.

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About the Purity Test:

According to the wiki...

"Some strippers have taken the quiz more than once and have varied their loginname slightly as the quiz only allows you to take it once per name."

Not true. You can take it as many times as you want without varying your username. I have no blocks in place for usernames. I do have blocks in place to prevent people from taking the test more than once per day, as stated in the wiki.

And a question...what's so bad about having your username link your comics here? I never understood that.

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I have never been allowed to use attitudechicka more than the one time. However, I will test my ability again maybe tomorrow.

I made some updates a couple days ago. I'm probably going to write some of those articles I suggested and never did anything about eventually.

The purity test accepted my username again, I don't know what happened before to give me the impression that I couldn't reuse my username. I'm not entirely sure how I got purer... but I can assure you I will do everything in my power to be the sluttiest stripper here, eventually. Still doing my best to meet everyone personally. Drop me a line if you want me to visit you... I may be able to make another trip in January.

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I believe I have made the wiki private. Now you need to have an approved account to make edits.

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Deckard Cain says:

"This is a great victory indeed!"

I just spent about three hours of my life working on this and this.

Thank you in advance for your kind words and applause.

All hail Chicka! Queen of the Goths!

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I just spent about three hours of my life working on this and this.

 

Thank you in advance for your kind words and applause.

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But I... I thought that we won 224 together!

*dramatic emo sobs complete with ruined black eye-makeup*

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Comic Cup XIII: Still in progress - No winner officially declared.

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Comic Cup XIII: Still in progress - No winner officially declared.

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i'd be fine with crabby being declared Comic Cup XIII winner, if no one else objects. i think p33ps have had more than enough time to vote.

though i do have a question about hanging chads...

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Sigh. I lost my shot at Comic Cup XIII Final Four glory on a coin flip.

that is a tough way to go but at least you didn't blow everyone and still not win. i had people tell me i would have won if i'd have just kept my lips to myself