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matclarke
June 11, 2007 11:57 AM

I thought the last episode was great. There was no way to please everyone and I think the cut to black as Tony looked up to see who next was coming through the door was the only way to end it. Plus it leaves the door open for a five hundred million dollar making movie.

I'm still trying to figure out what to make of John from Cincinnati. It looks like it will either be a total piece of crap or some ingenious new idea, but I've never seen anything like it.

 

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matclarke
June 11, 2007 12:00 PM

Tony being Tony from The Soprano's.

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mandingo
June 11, 2007 3:10 PM

i'm a lazy fuck, so i'm just gonna copy and paste my tv.com review.

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Little of this, little of that, little to nothing. The Sopranos died not with a Bada Bang but with a Bada Whimper.

Glad Tony wasn't whacked, but the cut-to-black ending was a silly plot device. David Chase should have remembered the mantra to "Keep it simple, stupid," though I'm reluctant to give him that advice after such a hackneyed final season. The way he wrapped up storylines such as Christopher's and AJ's had all the excitement of someone crossing items off a list, as I'm sure Chase was.

This last episode would have been MUCH better if instead of presenting the pseudo-threat of Tony getting offed at the end, they would have showed him starting to sweat as he listened to the lyrics "it goes on and on and on and on," then slowing down those lyrics as they keep repeating over and over, then showing him pass out in his food from a panic attack.

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all the other sopranos episodes are rated in the high 8's and 9's, while the series finale is rated 6.8. obviously a lot of people were disappointed in it.

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biped
June 11, 2007 3:35 PM

No, they weren't.

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mandingo
June 11, 2007 3:42 PM

* -1

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ivytheplant
June 11, 2007 4:13 PM

I've never seen it.

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crackpanther
June 11, 2007 5:37 PM

After knowing it was out for a season or two I was about to watch it until I realized how stupidly it affected everyone who tuned in week after week, and so I decided not to. But then, I'm the guy who hates when white people listen to rap and then start to talk that way after. I know Italians, real Italians, who say 'mozzarella' for mozzarella, not 'mootzuh-rell' like these bullshit Italian-American wannabes do.

But maybe I'm just racist against Italian-Americans (read: NOT real Italians) I'm pretty sure that The Sopranos is one of those things that the rest of the world hates us for, like Paris Hilton and George Bush and the A-bomb, and the knowledge of such has always kept me from feeling giddy over who got 'whacked' for what. I mean for fuck's sake, would I ever watch a dumbass reality hip-hop show and turn to my wife and say 'Uh-uh!! I know she did 'int even go there over some buuuuulshi' li' DAT!!!'

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mandingo
June 11, 2007 8:21 PM

i think it just about takes someone never watching it to dislike the sopranos. to dislike the sopranos, you almost need to dislike godfather 1 and 2 (3 doesn't exist), and to dislike godfather, you almost need to be shot in the face with a big powerful cannon

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ivytheplant
June 11, 2007 8:49 PM

I've never seen any of the Godfather movies.

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choadwarrior
June 11, 2007 9:19 PM

quote:

matclarke wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what to make of John from Cincinnati. It looks like it will either be a total piece of crap or some ingenious new idea, but I've never seen anything like it.


I'm watching it right now. The only opinion I've formed of it so far is that these people are crazy to surf so close to Tijuana. The run-off from the TJ River into the ocean by Imperial Beach is all shit from a million refried bean filled toilets.

The scene where the guy is levitating with the Plaza Monumental bull ring in the background made me want to go back down for a bullfight, though.

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biped
June 11, 2007 10:32 PM

quote:

ivytheplant wrote:
I've never seen any of the Godfather movies.

You should watch them all right now.

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ivytheplant
June 11, 2007 11:27 PM

That's what everyone tells me. I want to see it on my own time. And maybe after enough time has passed that I've forgotten the trailers, clips, and what everyone's told me about it so it won't feel like I'm watching something I've already seen.

Same thing with Citizen Kane.

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boloboffin
June 12, 2007 12:44 AM

I'd go ahead and postpone the first two Godfathers (three is a backburner project), if that's your plan. They are fantastic movies, but you'll enjoy them later.

But you won't be able to put off Citizen Kane (or the first Fantasia, for that matter) long enough for your plan to work. No matter how long you wait, you will watch the whole thing, thinking, "What is this? This is nothing special. What is all the hype?" And then you will realize, bam. This was where all of those other movies came from. Nobody had ever told a film story the way that Welles and Toland did in this flick.

So go ahead and watch Citizen Kane now, and the first Fantasia, and you might as well throw The Battleship Potemkin and Intolerance onto that queue as well. If you're really committed to watching film history, get Birth of a Nation as well. Wow, that would be a weekend of early film propaganda at its finest.

If you REALLY want to make your head blow a gasket, here's a double feature for you - Triumph of the Will and Night and Fog.

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ivytheplant
June 12, 2007 8:15 AM

I appreciate the crash course in film history, but I just haven't seen Citizen Kane (others I've seen). And I'm waiting until the memories of the detailed, line-by-line description is gone from my head without watching the movie and knowing exactly what's going to happen.

It doesn't matter how good a movie is supposed to be, going into it already knowing the script because some asshole decided rather than let me see the damn movie, they should tell me every reason it was the best thing ever and all but acted out the scenes just doesn't make me any more interested.

And since my interest in making the effort in seeing a movie is directly proportional to how many people say it's the best thing ever and I should go out and watch it right now, I should never ever again mention I've never seen a movie and just pretend I've seen it to avoid the eventual "omigosh! You haven't seen Classic Drama Part 3? Let me spoil the whole fucking thing for you right now!"

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UnknownEric
June 12, 2007 10:15 AM

quote:

boloboffin wrote:
Triumph of the Will
Triumph of the Will is like softcore gay porn. All those longing shots of shirtless German boys "working" for the fatherland...

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boloboffin
June 12, 2007 11:45 AM

Don't spoil it for me! I haven't seen Triumph yet!!

And anyway, back to the Sopranos. This guy sums up that final episode for me quite well. "Always with the drama..."

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FinnNYC
June 12, 2007 12:53 PM

I found this quote summed the Sopranos ending up well:

 

"I'd rather have aids and a different ending than that ending"

 I got that from the review at SA

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/sopranos-final-episode.php

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lildeucecoup
June 12, 2007 3:46 PM

I'm going to take time from the discussion to point oput that I didn't watch the Sopranos. Now everyone, please tell me I should watch. I need the attention. Then I'll tell you why I don't watch and then a couple months from now, I'll post that I watched them all and didn't care for them. Because I'm that fucking cool.

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dcomposed
June 12, 2007 4:33 PM

quote:

ivytheplant wrote:

I appreciate the crash course in film history, but I just haven't seen Citizen Kane (others I've seen). And I'm waiting until the memories of the detailed, line-by-line description is gone from my head without watching the movie and knowing exactly what's going to happen.

It doesn't matter how good a movie is supposed to be, going into it already knowing the script because some asshole decided rather than let me see the damn movie, they should tell me every reason it was the best thing ever and all but acted out the scenes just doesn't make me any more interested.

And since my interest in making the effort in seeing a movie is directly proportional to how many people say it's the best thing ever and I should go out and watch it right now, I should never ever again mention I've never seen a movie and just pretend I've seen it to avoid the eventual "omigosh! You haven't seen Classic Drama Part 3? Let me spoil the whole fucking thing for you right now!"


what cunt would talk about a film from 1941 before you got a chance to see it

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ArtemisStrong
June 12, 2007 4:46 PM

quote:

dcomposed wrote:

what cunt would talk about a film from 1941 before you got a chance to see it


That reminds me:  All of you JUST MUST ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO SEE "Andy Hardy's Private Secretary" starring Mickey Rooney.

 

I mean, it IS from 1941 so... y'know... goes without saying.

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The_young_scot
June 12, 2007 4:51 PM

I'm blind, So I can't see anything.

 

Bunch of pricks.

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mandingo
June 12, 2007 5:14 PM

quote:

dcomposed wrote:
quote:

ivytheplant wrote:

I appreciate the crash course in film history, but I just haven't seen Citizen Kane (others I've seen). And I'm waiting until the memories of the detailed, line-by-line description is gone from my head without watching the movie and knowing exactly what's going to happen.

It doesn't matter how good a movie is supposed to be, going into it already knowing the script because some asshole decided rather than let me see the damn movie, they should tell me every reason it was the best thing ever and all but acted out the scenes just doesn't make me any more interested.

And since my interest in making the effort in seeing a movie is directly proportional to how many people say it's the best thing ever and I should go out and watch it right now, I should never ever again mention I've never seen a movie and just pretend I've seen it to avoid the eventual "omigosh! You haven't seen Classic Drama Part 3? Let me spoil the whole fucking thing for you right now!"


what cunt would talk about a film from 1941 before you got a chance to see it


lool

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ivytheplant
June 12, 2007 8:46 PM

quote:

dcomposed wrote:

what cunt would talk about a film from 1941 before you got a chance to see it


I don't know. What bigoted shithead would pretend he's too cool for everyone by posting about how he can't be bothered to care about anything?

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xxausrottenxx
June 12, 2007 9:20 PM

I'm Italian. My dad loves the sopranos. In my opinion an Italian watching the Sopranos is like a jew being really into schindler's list.

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choadwarrior
June 12, 2007 9:38 PM

quote:

choadwarrior wrote:
quote:

matclarke wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what to make of John from Cincinnati. It looks like it will either be a total piece of crap or some ingenious new idea, but I've never seen anything like it.


I'm watching it right now. The only opinion I've formed of it so far is that these people are crazy to surf so close to Tijuana. The run-off from the TJ River into the ocean by Imperial Beach is all shit from a million refried bean filled toilets.

 



This Just In

IB's Swimming Advisory



The county's Department of Environmental Health posted a no-swimming advisory today from Imperial Beach south to the U.S.-Mexico border.

The reason: "Suspected contamination from an unknown source."

The ocean shoreline along the border is the subject of frequent closures during rainy winter months, as rainfall in Mexico sweeps sewage-contaminated runoff into the Pacific. Summer closures or advisories are rare.

-- ROB DAVIS

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:40 PM PDT


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ivytheplant
June 12, 2007 9:50 PM

quote:

lildeucecoup wrote:

I'm going to take time from the discussion to point oput that I didn't watch the Sopranos. Now everyone, please tell me I should watch. I need the attention. Then I'll tell you why I don't watch and then a couple months from now, I'll post that I watched them all and didn't care for them. Because I'm that fucking cool.


Speak for yourself, crabby.

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dcomposed
June 13, 2007 1:26 AM

quote:

ivytheplant wrote:
quote:

dcomposed wrote:

what cunt would talk about a film from 1941 before you got a chance to see it


I don't know. What bigoted shithead would pretend he's too cool for everyone by posting about how he can't be bothered to care about anything?


Who posted in a thread about the Sopranos to say they haven't seen it?

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Zaster
June 13, 2007 5:32 AM

The ending that should have been:

Tony and his family are seated at the diner, stuffing their faces with onion rings and talking about mundane matters.

Suddenly, for no apparent reason, Tony's head explodes. Horrified family members sit there in shock, speckled with blood and brain matter.

A few seconds later; more explosions. Screams of horror. Heads are exploding all over the diner. Cut to exterior shot. We see blood and brains spraying against the windows and running down in rivulets of horrible chunky gore.

The camera pulls back. Suddenly we see the diner itself explode for no reason.

Cut to a shot of the earth, floating placidly in space. Suddenly, it too explodes. The screen is awash in the white glow for a moment, and then the embers of the dying earth fade rapidly from view. The credits begin to roll.

It has come full circle. The writers have destroyed the world they themselves created. Bloggers everywhere enthuse about the brilliance and symbolism of this remarkable ending.

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mandingo
June 13, 2007 9:06 AM

quote:

Zaster wrote:
The ending that should have been:

Tony and his family are seated at the diner, stuffing their faces with onion rings and talking about mundane matters.

Suddenly, for no apparent reason, Tony's head explodes. Horrified family members sit there in shock, speckled with blood and brain matter.

A few seconds later; more explosions. Screams of horror. Heads are exploding all over the diner. Cut to exterior shot. We see blood and brains spraying against the windows and running down in rivulets of horrible chunky gore.

The camera pulls back. Suddenly we see the diner itself explode for no reason.

Cut to a shot of the earth, floating placidly in space. Suddenly, it too explodes. The screen is awash in the white glow for a moment, and then the embers of the dying earth fade rapidly from view.
you could have saved some words and just said "they should have ended it how they ended Empty Nest"

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ivytheplant
June 13, 2007 9:57 AM

quote:

dcomposed wrote:

Who posted in a thread about the Sopranos to say they haven't seen it?


I like how you go out of your way to be annoyed at what I do or say. It's very healthy.

No, I've never seen the Sopranos. Not my kind of genre. However, I have heard a lot of good things about it. I didn't realize it was ending. Jesus, didn't it just premiere? Or it is it one of those things where it's been on 10 years and time flew?

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matclarke
June 13, 2007 10:24 AM

Its been on for about ten years. But they always took their sweet ass time between seasons. “–‚Ä“¦‚°‚µ‚Ă܂·ÂB‚¿‚Ȃ݂ÉŽ„‚Í–{l‚ł͂ ‚è‚Ü‚¹‚ñ

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little_kitty
June 13, 2007 1:35 PM

quote:

xxausrottenxx wrote:
I'm Italian. My dad loves the sopranos. In my opinion an Italian watching the Sopranos is like a jew being really into schindler's list.

 

h4w!!

Anyway, in regards to the Sopranos... I watched about 5 episodes of last season, just because a friend of mine from work seemed to be consistently missing them, and I had them on dvr (essentially), so I could watch them whenever I wanted to, and filled her in. Other than that, I was never truly interested in the show. Its just not one of those genre's that make me go "Sweet!"

I agree with Ivy in that I hate it when people are all "oh, this movie is SOOO good." and they up my expectations of the movie. Take, for example, 'Man of the Year' with Robin Williams. People saw the trailers for it and thought "man, its going to be the second coming of Good Morning, Vietnam", and then they were very disappointed in that it wasn't non-stop chuckles the whole way through. I went in thinking " Sweet, Robin Williams", and I was very impressed with the film.

PS I hate movie trailers.

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mandingo
June 13, 2007 4:54 PM

quote:
Its been on for about ten years. But they always took their sweet ass time between seasons.
no shit. them and Oz

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biped
June 13, 2007 10:27 PM

"Moonlighting" started the fad of taking forever between seasons.

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LuckyGuess
June 14, 2007 1:47 AM

The Sopranos should have ended with a musical episode, set in the den of some lovable rapscallions who are intermittantly shot while singing Omaha in different languages.

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boorite
June 14, 2007 12:13 PM

I never saw The Sopranos either. I watch about as much TV as I can, and I still don't have time to watch everything that's good. There's just too much good TV. That sounds like sarcasm, but it isn't. Of course, a lot of the shows I watch aren't very "good" at all, but they're about things I'm interested in, so it's like required viewing. Anyway, if someone asked me to write a script called "The Sopranos," it would be about a bunch of guys who got kicked in the balls.

And lildeucecoup/crabby and dcomposed, it's sad to see that your idea of contributing to a forum is still taking cheap potshots at girls. I wish you'd both go fuck yourselves.

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FinnNYC
June 14, 2007 1:46 PM

Uh oh... I sense another "I quit stripcreator" rant coming.

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boorite
June 14, 2007 2:24 PM

quote:

FinnNYC wrote:
Uh oh... I sense another "I quit stripcreator" rant coming.

I don't remember ever making any such rant. Did you imagine it?

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ArtemisStrong
June 14, 2007 9:10 PM

So, back to the subject at hand:

 

I watched the Sopranos for the first season, then dumped it partway through the second.  It seemed the show drifted from the interesting anamoly it was into standard Mob stuff mixed with quirk.

 

And the end, as I saw it on MSNBC the next day, was a gimmick, nothing more.  An effective gimmick, yes, but still- lazy writing.

 

In contrast the Dark Tower series (which I just finished a week ago) has an ending that, while upsetting some of the fans, does actually end.  As difficult and tricky as I'm sure it was to write, King still gave the readers satisfaction, as far as closure goes.  I'm using this as an example not just because it's recent in my memory, but because King actually stops the narrative before the climax and goes into a mini-essay about the very topic of endings, expectations and closure.  Even though he thought his story was best left without an ending, he recognizes the inherent need of endings, even in the loosest minimalist works.

Even Vonnegut and Beckett give us endings, even if they are elliptical and open.   "And so on" and "I will go on", while pointing the absence of story-like climaxes in real life, DO provide an ending in that they tell us that, yes, these characters continue on.

But jarringly cutting to black in the midst of plot-driven tension tells the audience nothing.  Chase had to choose:  Meadow or a hitman.  Either of these two characters entering could have allowed for a delicious open ending (Meadow: "So, they have this moment... but Tony could still get it"; hitman : "Okay, Tony's gonna' get it, but what happens to his family?").  Or any other of possible combinations.  But to just have a partial reaction from Tony, then cutting to black is a cop-out, plain and simple.

To contrast, I suggest any of you who have seen it to recall the last episode of Twin Peaks.  Open- yes, a cliffhanger- true; but at least you get a proper climax.

And so on.

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FinnNYC
June 15, 2007 8:02 AM

I thought Six Feet Under's ending was perfect. It fit with the show's theme and put a big-ass period at the end of the show.

 

I'm leaving this open for butt and/or menstual jokes.

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kramer_vs_kramer
June 15, 2007 11:56 AM

quote:

ArtemisStrong wrote:

To contrast, I suggest any of you who have seen it to recall the last episode of Twin Peaks. Open- yes, a cliffhanger- true; but at least you get a proper climax.


Twin Peaks' ending a proper climax? Surely you jest.

 

Etc.

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boorite
June 15, 2007 1:34 PM

quote:

FinnNYC wrote:

I thought Six Feet Under's ending was perfect. It fit with the show's theme and put a big-ass period at the end of the show.

 

I'm leaving this open for butt and/or menstual jokes.


I can't go swimming. I'm having my ass period.

I don't remember very many series finales for some reason. I remember in Seinfeld they all just sort of wandered off, which seemed like a lot of verite for a farcical show.

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boloboffin
June 15, 2007 2:35 PM

No, silly, in Seinfeld they all got prison time for not being Good Samaritans.

M*A*S*H is where they kinda wander away, one by one, but with closure to their Korea stories.

I'm beginning to think Tony got whacked. They really took their time to establish that the men's room was down that little hall which focused right on Tony. And Tony looks up to see Meadow, which means he would have been distracted from the men's room door opening. The guy could have gotten the window open, plugged Tony from the restroom, and beat a retreat without too many people seeing him. Which becomes the whole point of Meadow not being able to park. If she'd just zoomed in and gotten to the table, she'd be sitting there beside Tony, sheilding him.

He dead.

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ArtemisStrong
June 15, 2007 2:52 PM

quote:

kramer_vs_kramer wrote:
quote:

ArtemisStrong wrote:

To contrast, I suggest any of you who have seen it to recall the last episode of Twin Peaks. Open- yes, a cliffhanger- true; but at least you get a proper climax.


Twin Peaks' ending a proper climax? Surely you jest.

 

Etc.


 

Well, a proper climax in the sense of story structure.  You are left with a very concrete idea of how things lay at the end.  How the events ultimately turn out is hinted at (obliquely, I admit).

Now, if you were to say it was a proper climax in the sense of anwering all of the dramatic questions raised throughout the series, then yes, it leaves the viewer hanging.

But that Sopranos finale wasn't about major dramatic questions, answered or unanswered.  And, honestly, what kind of real questions did the series ever raise? 

The pilot was intriguing and seemed to hint at some nice stuff about how this guy who deals with murderers day in and day out might actually die not from a bullet, but from an anxiety attack.  But how quickly was that whole plotline dropped (By "dropped" I don't mean never mentioned again, but the concept losing importance in the drama of Tony's life.)?

So it goes.

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biped
June 15, 2007 3:21 PM

I think the last scene in "Newhart" was the most creative series ending ever.

Also, the finale of "The Fugitive" was an awesome cultural event.

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boloboffin
June 15, 2007 3:35 PM

quote:

biped wrote:
I think the last scene in "Newhart" was the most creative series ending ever.

No arguments here. And then I found out Tom Poston was married to Suzanne Pleschette. Ain't that a kick in the head?

The next thing you'll be telling me is that Richard Dawkins is married to Rowana.

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mandingo
June 15, 2007 5:05 PM

quote:
And the end, as I saw it on MSNBC the next day, was a gimmick, nothing more. An effective gimmick, yes, but still- lazy writing.
and it's not even that effective after the first viewing. i watched it again yesterday and without all the "is he gonna get whacked" anxiety, it just plays like an incomplete episode, truncated poorly

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ivytheplant
June 15, 2007 8:04 PM

quote:

FinnNYC wrote:

I thought Six Feet Under's ending was perfect. It fit with the show's theme and put a big-ass period at the end of the show.


Whoa, Six Feet Under ended? When the hell did that happen?

Though it's not surprising since it's been a long time since I saw it. The last episode I remember, the taller brother was going in for brain surgery or something and then I didn't have TV for a while. By the time I got TV again, I had no idea what was going on and wandered off.

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boloboffin
June 15, 2007 8:26 PM

I want a T-Shirt:

My TV Show Had A Better Finale Than Your TV Show.

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ArtemisStrong
June 15, 2007 9:06 PM

All I know is that The Simpsons finale better be worth it.

 

Okay, so here's a couple lists you all can add to/detract from/dastrically alter as you see fit:

 

GOOD TV SHOW FINALES

  • Newhart
  • Quantum Leap
  • Cheers
  • Home Movies
  • BBC's The Office

POOPY TV SHOW FINALES

  • The Sopranos
  • The X-Files
  • Seinfeld

 

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