I suppose I ought to just ignore this sort of stuff:

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And this...

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And this....

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But I felt as though I needed to write this:

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I think they should all be removed. Mine, as well.

What do you guys think?

bunner

I'm against censorship personally. However, this isn't a democracy, it's a website, so Johnny can do whatever he wants. But I have a feeling he might feel the same way. (Why else would Amazed Porno Bunny comics still be around?)

Also, bunner, I think you fell into the same trap that the writer of those comics you were arguing against did. Hatred of one person isn't a much better quality than hatred of a group. However, I can empathize:

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Then please remove mine. It wasn't really hatred, it was in the interest of education, actually, but there's no sense in casting pearls before swine.

*sigh*

That guy would last about an hour in my neighbourhood.

bunner

And, not to put too fine a point on it, I think that hatred of bad individuals is a very healthy thing. Hating somebody because of their race or religion is stupid. Hating an individual for being a complete waste of space is useful, I think. For instance, can anybody say they -don't- hate Hitler? Or the people who followed him blindly out of greed? I think it's time we start making those who choose to shit where they eat, sleep there, too; if that's all they can contribute. Recess is over. We're all moved in on this planet, and the only thing there isn't room for is willful stupidity.

Love. Help. Give A Damn. Carry A Stick For The Rats.

bunner

Bunner - Go get him. While I think it was a mistake to post his strips, giving him undeserved attention, I agree that thinking he is a fuckwit is by no means a bad thing.

Obi - It is wrong to hate a racial group, or a gender, or people of a specific sexual preference because you do not know them. You are judging them based on a false set of criteria, while they are almost certainly like every other group of humans - some arseholes, some saints, and a whole lot of regular people. However, Bunner is talking about one person, a person who has demonstrated in no uncertain terms that he has the mind of a mollusc and the social skills of a rabid wildebeest. Bunner has good reason to dislike him and tell him off.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the majority of people posting stuff like that aren't doing so because they're really racists and bigots, but more likely just so that they can get a rise out of people. They're probably just dopey junior high school students who got bored of watching MTV and masturbating and thought they'd give pissing off others a try.

The real racists and bigots are too busy buying land in Montana and plotting the overthrow of the US government to worry about making comics.

Gabe

egads....if they got bored they must not have been doing it right!!! >;)

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Obi - It is wrong to hate a racial group, or a gender, or people of a specific sexual preference because you do not know them. You are judging them based on a false set of criteria, while they are almost certainly like every other group of humans - some arseholes, some saints, and a whole lot of regular people. However, Bunner is talking about one person, a person who has demonstrated in no uncertain terms that he has the mind of a mollusc and the social skills of a rabid wildebeest. Bunner has good reason to dislike him and tell him off.

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A small stupid part of me still believes that Love is the only weapon against Hate.

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egads....if they got bored they must not have been doing it right!!! >;)

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Bunnerabb, there is a large difference between hate and rage. Hate is usually unfounded and blind anger/hostility against someone/thing you usually do not know. When you hate someone, you have no room for love for them, nor compassion, or even forgiveness. Rage on the other hand is a proper and some would say righteous anger towards someone/thing/situation that you find reprehensable but you are still capable of loving, feeling compassion, and capable of forgiving them and in so doing have hope that they may better themselves someday. From the tone of your posts,It seems to me that you are more enraged at the individual, rather than hateful. In so doing, you do not lessen yourself by expressing that rage, so do not regret it for a moment. Just don't let yourself fall into hate, as it can be all consuming.

Then let me rage, and rage, and fight the good fight, until the last embers of dying light.

bunner

Rage, baby... Rage. Rip shit up. Boot some head. Open up the whoopass.

That's figurative whoopass, of course.

G

I'm your basic middle-aged angry young man. I have yet to attain the stage of maturity where idiocy doesn't piss me off. I hope I never do.

bunner

Saving space - ObiJo's quotes are in bold.

ObiJo said, in reply to me:
So, it's not hatred that is disturbing, but rather unjustified hatred. So, good, clean, rational hatred is A O.K.
That's not what I meant, and I am pretty sure you know that. What I meant was that racism and sexism are completely groundless, whereas a personal dislike for someone is based on personal reasons. Sure, they may be stupid reasons, but they are reasons none the less.

To me, it's just too much like parents trying to teach their kid not to hit their sibling by beating the hell out of him. Just doesn't jive.
No, it is the difference between punishing your child just because you want to, even if they have done nothing wrong, and punishing him or her for a perfectly good reason. When I have kids, I may very well smack them when they are bad, and I offer no apologies to you for that. However, giving them a whack kbecause "all kids are lazy and deserve a good thrashing occasionally" is just wrong, and the latter is essentially what racism and other forms of discriminatory hate are all about - treat them badly because they deserve it.

However, I guess I was talking in ideals. A small stupid part of me still believes that Love is the only weapon against Hate. Egad.
I believe in the power of love and forgiveness. I also believe in telling people when they are being complete arseholes, and punishing them if they deserve it.

A couple of years ago I used to watch the daytime talk shows. Sad really. But I remember seeing people stand up in the audience and say, "You's all ig'nant." And I'd laugh because they were accusing someone of something that they obviously were too. That's what I think about when I hear someone combat "completely groundless" hatred with insults. I'm against racism, sexism, ageism and every other ism you can think of, but it always makes me sad to see people a.) get bothered by the dumbasses who have the I.Q. of a mollusk and b.) fall into the trap of combating groundless hatred with societally-acceptable hatred. They both stem from the same bad emotion.

Also, my analogy of hitting a child that hits was meant to show the hypocrisy of the act. I understand your punishment reasoning, but you have to realize that telling off a racist/sexist,etc isn't punishing them. It's rewarding them. Gabe said that he believes that many of the racist strips are not by racists, but by people who want to get a rise out of people. Taking it farther, I believe that most RACISTS just want to get a rise out of people. So by calling them names back, you've not only succumbed to their game, but you've already lost.

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I gotta disagree with you on that note. Sure, there are some that just do it to get a rise out of people, but the majority of true racists actually BELEIVE the crap that they preach.

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The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior was a personal hero of mine. And still is. I have a copy of his "I Have A Dream" speech on my hard drive, and I read it from time to time for inspiration. Malcom X, however, to whatever degree he agreed with the racist idealogues set forth by the Nation of Islam, who eventually betrayed him as they succumbed to their own power struggles and vanity, set forth the idea that the black man has inherent dignity in and of his own curlture, and need not stand about in line to receive what was already his. He may have been saved by an organisation with a racist core, but he proved to be above their doctrines and the doctrines which he fought against in the end. He helped foment necessary change, and I respect him and his memory.

Now let's go back to being funny, for fuck sake!

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