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adarer
May 2, 2002 3:29 PM

he looks like a monkey! aHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA yay!

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Drexle
May 2, 2002 5:00 PM

Ha, ha!

What the fuck are you talking about?

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dcomposed
May 2, 2002 10:20 PM

*loads rifle*

you've got untill the count of 3 to fuck off.....

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DH-01
May 3, 2002 3:58 AM

RARRR! 10-HD WILL CRITICAL HIT YOU!

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fuzzyman
May 3, 2002 4:18 AM

Not to mention, his comics are crap.

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DexX
May 3, 2002 5:38 AM

Here's my opinion of Eminem...

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JrnymnNate
May 3, 2002 7:07 AM

Red X?

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 3, 2002 8:17 AM

Eminem's a good rapper, but I think he suffers because of his contrived need to be controversial.

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KajunFirefly
May 3, 2002 11:15 AM

quote:
Eminem's a good rapper, but I think he suffers because of his contrived need to be controversial.
Definitely, he's quite funny, but really, Gangster Rap was better when 2-Pac was bangin' B.I.G.'s wife and Eazy E was stopping Dre making any albums.

That was TRUE rivalry, not this crap about him slagging Britney Spears and taking Ecstacy on stage, who cares? About the most controversial thing he has done is pulled a gun on the Insane Clown Posse, who are really a hell of a lot more experienced at shock tactics than he is, I've lost interest in Eminem over the past year or so, maybe even grown to hate the little prick.

but then, maybe that's the whole point.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 11:37 AM

A Word About Gangsta Rap:

*ahem*

1): Nobody named Marshall Mathers III will ever have any street cred.

2): Rap was the last of attempts of the black man to "hang on to his music" by resorting to tuneless, loud, talent-less yelling about how violent and dangerous they are over small loops of other people's music. It worked. White people like melody and largely disdain reveling in violent and illegal behaviour.

3): "Good rapper" is an oxymoron. As a form, rap hit it's own wall the second it was invented.

4): "Rap music" is an oxymoron. It's an art form. It's not music, though.

5): The whole purpose of rap is to give kids something to defend from "the man" when it is, inevitably, pronounced utter shit by almost everybody over 30. Then the kid can smirk and say "You don't GET it, maaan!". We get it fine.

6): Eminem is a middle class twat. Most white rappers are.

7): "White rapper" is an oxymoron.

8): Trying to bring down the cultural wall that divides white audiences and performers from participating in the rap "scene" is stupid. This isn't the 50's or even the 60's. They don't want the white kids in the rap "scene". They don't want a crossover market. They want the ofays to fuck off and dig how slick and dangerous all of those gun-toting, crack smoking, bitch slapping brothers are.

9): Somewhere, way down deep inside of your lily-white ass, lies a small part of you that longs to listen to the Carpenters on a rainy Saturday afternoon and sip tea. It's true.

10): My name is, my name is, my name is NOT Marshall Mathers III.

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wirthling
May 3, 2002 12:09 PM

I agree with some of that, but I think much of it is too much of a generalization.

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KajunFirefly
May 3, 2002 12:14 PM

quote:
Somewhere, way down deep inside of your lily-white ass, lies a small part of you that longs to listen to the Carpenters on a rainy Saturday afternoon and sip tea. It's true.
Actually, no, I'm a really big fan of rap music, or "Hip-Hop", it takes a hell of a lot of skill to lay down some "kick ass rhymes" over a "fat ass beat". Granted, Eminem is just a skinny white kid who whines on and on about how he's going to kick everyone's ass and kill them eventually. Some deep psychological probing would probably prove that he has an underlying Aeodopus complex. Or that he was caught masturbating as a teenager, I dunno, I never took Psychology.

Anyway, I think it's a bit much to generalise ALL "rap" music by your feelings towards one rapper. I'm not sure that you and Mr Mathers are that different. If you put your rant over a beat you'd be the exact same, middle class white guy, whining about a world he doesn't fit into.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 12:15 PM

Well, yeah... but you can't stir up shit with a fine-toothed comb, yo.

:- )

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 12:17 PM

quote:
If you put your rant over a beat you'd be the exact same, middle class white guy, whining about a world he doesn't fit into.

Not hardly.

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Tobor
May 3, 2002 12:23 PM

quote:
Some deep psychological probing would probably prove that he has an underlying Aeodopus complex. Or that he was caught masturbating as a teenager, I dunno, I never took Psychology.

TOBOR GIVE EMININEM DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBE!

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DrPedantic
May 3, 2002 12:33 PM

quote:
Aeodopus
It's Oedipus you fucking MORON!

Why don't you go back to smoking DexX's tiny Australian cock and leave the rest of us to have a decent, intellictual conversation!

ass!

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wirthling
May 3, 2002 12:34 PM

OK, OK already! Quit nagging me! Here's a line-by-line response:

1): Nobody named Marshall Mathers III will ever have any street cred.

Nobody who has "street cred" uses their real names. Their real names are usually something like "Gordon" or "Doug." Chuck D's real name is Carlton Ridenhour and Flavor Flav's real name is William Drayton.

2): Rap was the last of attempts of the black man to "hang on to his music" by resorting to tuneless, loud, talent-less yelling about how violent and dangerous they are over small loops of other people's music. It worked. White people like melody and largely disdain reveling in violent and illegal behaviour.

That's a gross oversimplification of what rap is. There is a lot of tuneless rap, but there is also a lot of melodic rap and not all of it is sampled. I'll leave that last comment about 'what white people are like' alone. That deserves a lengthy response on its own.

3): "Good rapper" is an oxymoron. As a form, rap hit it's own wall the second it was invented.

I'll agree that there are a lot of talentless rappers out there, but there are several good rappers, too. It's a difficult skill and even more difficult to do while delivering a coherent message.

4): "Rap music" is an oxymoron. It's an art form. It's not music, though.

It's not music to you. "Music" is a highly subjective experience. Plus, there is a lot of variety in the "rap" genre (Ugh--I hate talking about genres) and quite a lot of it is composed, contains melodies, and can be performed live. Is that not music? I am pleased to see that you at least consider it an "art form" for the moment, though.

5): The whole purpose of rap is to give kids something to defend from "the man" when it is, inevitably, pronounced utter shit by almost everybody over 30. Then the kid can smirk and say "You don't GET it, maaan!". We get it fine.

That's just silly.

6): Eminem is a middle class twat. Most white rappers are.

I pretty much agree with this.

7): "White rapper" is an oxymoron.

Is there a "rapping gene" that whites don't possess?

8): Trying to bring down the cultural wall that divides white audiences and performers from participating in the rap "scene" is stupid. This isn't the 50's or even the 60's. They don't want the white kids in the rap "scene". They don't want a crossover market. They want the ofays to fuck off and dig how slick and dangerous all of those gun-toting, crack smoking, bitch slapping brothers are.

This is only true for a minority of rap acts. Few rappers are racial segregationists.

9): Somewhere, way down deep inside of your lily-white ass, lies a small part of you that longs to listen to the Carpenters on a rainy Saturday afternoon and sip tea. It's true.

Busted.

10): My name is, my name is, my name is NOT Marshall Mathers III.

I'd like to see some ID please.

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adarer
May 3, 2002 12:57 PM

me comics are not crap! they are original! like the 1st one i made! like fudge that banana! fudge that banana!

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Brad
May 3, 2002 1:00 PM

Wow, I thought this whole "rap isn't real music" argument was resolved ten years ago with everyone agreeing that musical taste is entirely subjective. It's like this thread is some sort of retro argument bubble in the hip hop space time continuum.

I like to hang out in aboriginal villages and diss their atonal rhythmic drum dances as "not real music" because of the lack of electric guitar and verse-chorus structure. Just because they all enjoy it tremendously, that doesn't mean they're not all mistaken.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:08 PM

quote:
OK, OK already! Quit nagging me! Here's a line-by-line response:

1): Nobody named Marshall Mathers III will ever have any street cred.

Nobody who has "street cred" uses their real names. Their real names are usually something like "Gordon" or "Doug." Chuck D's real name is Carlton Ridenhour and Flavor Flav's real name is William Drayton.

Think about that.

2): Rap was the last of attempts of the black man to "hang on to his music" by resorting to tuneless, loud, talent-less yelling about how violent and dangerous they are over small loops of other people's music. It worked. White people like melody and largely disdain reveling in violent and illegal behaviour.

That's a gross oversimplification of what rap is. There is a lot of tuneless rap, but there is also a lot of melodic rap and not all of it is sampled. I'll leave that last comment about 'what white people are like' alone. That deserves a lengthy response on its own.

I forgot. It's only racism if a white guy says it. It's not that great of an over-simplification at all. And it's startlingly, even to me, accurate.

3): "Good rapper" is an oxymoron. As a form, rap hit it's own wall the second it was invented.

I'll agree that there are a lot of talentless rappers out there, but there are several good rappers, too. It's a difficult skill and even more difficult to do while delivering a coherent message.

The title was "A Word About Gangsta Rap".

4): "Rap music" is an oxymoron. It's an art form. It's not music, though.

It's not music to you. "Music" is a highly subjective experience.

So's sex, but i doesn't come on 5 1/4" metalicized discs. It's also not something that promotes violence as cool. Unless you're into S&M. The whole notion of tribal music, as opposed to formally structured music, is relatively new to Caucasian culture. Enter rock and roll. It saved my life. Gangsta rap alienates. It doesn't unify.

Plus, there is a lot of variety in the "rap" genre (Ugh--I hate talking about genres) and quite a lot of it is composed, contains melodies, and can be performed live. Is that not music? I am pleased to see that you at least consider it an "art form" for the moment, though.

I'm deeply moved.

5): The whole purpose of rap is to give kids something to defend from "the man" when it is, inevitably, pronounced utter shit by almost everybody over 30. Then the kid can smirk and say "You don't GET it, maaan!". We get it fine.

That's just silly.

Are you smirking? :- )

6): Eminem is a middle class twat. Most white rappers are.

I pretty much agree with this.

As you should.

7): "White rapper" is an oxymoron.

Is there a "rapping gene" that whites don't possess?

Yes.

8): Trying to bring down the cultural wall that divides white audiences and performers from participating in the rap "scene" is stupid. This isn't the 50's or even the 60's. They don't want the white kids in the rap "scene". They don't want a crossover market. They want the ofays to fuck off and dig how slick and dangerous all of those gun-toting, crack smoking, bitch slapping brothers are.

This is only true for a minority of rap acts. Few rappers are racial segregationists.

See you at the next Wu Tang show, bro.

9): Somewhere, way down deep inside of your lily-white ass, lies a small part of you that longs to listen to the Carpenters on a rainy Saturday afternoon and sip tea. It's true.

Busted.

Word.

10): My name is, my name is, my name is NOT Marshall Mathers III.

I'd like to see some ID please.

No.


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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:10 PM

quote:
Wow, I thought this whole "rap isn't real music" argument was resolved ten years ago with everyone agreeing that musical taste is entirely subjective. It's like this thread is some sort of retro argument bubble in the hip hop space time continuum.

You dissin' retro, man?

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andydougan
May 3, 2002 1:10 PM

I don't care about Eminem. But I don't know what the world's coming to when people log in as DrPedantic to correct their own mistakes.

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wirthling
May 3, 2002 1:13 PM

I know you started that whole thing with "A word about gangsta rap," but then it seemed you were talking about rap in general. Were you only referring to gangsta rap in each of those comments?

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:15 PM

quote:
I know you started that whole thing with "A word about gangsta rap," but then it seemed you were talking about rap in general. Were you only referring to gangsta rap in each of those comments?
Yes.

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wirthling
May 3, 2002 1:16 PM

quote:
I forgot. It's only racism if a white guy says it.

And where the hell did that come from? Racism is racism. Period. Please don't mistake me for some mythical liberal you're arguing against.

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wirthling
May 3, 2002 1:19 PM

quote:
quote:
I know you started that whole thing with "A word about gangsta rap," but then it seemed you were talking about rap in general. Were you only referring to gangsta rap in each of those comments?
Yes.

So when you said, "'Rap music' is an oxymoron. It's an art form. It's not music, though," you were only referring to gangsta rap? See, it sounds to me like you weren't making a distinction between "gangsta rap" and "rap music."

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:22 PM

quote:
Racism is racism. Period.
Amen.
quote:
Please don't mistake me for some mythical liberal you're arguing against.
I won't if you don't.

Every so often, I like to get a good exchange going by saying things that most people think, but will not say. It's the only way, IMHO, to have a meaningful dialogue about anything. All of this pissing about the edge of the bushes hasn't changed anything. What PC has given us is a load of precious little semantically overwrought shits demanding their "proper respect." You want me to think the sun shines out of your arse? Cure AIDS.

Bunner,
over here,
on an island,
missing when music could just be "good" instead of "crucially relevant" 300% of the time.
like Britney Spears is

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adarer
May 3, 2002 1:27 PM

eminem is just mean to his mommy, homosexuals, various pop icons, his wife kim and others!

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:29 PM

quote:
eminem is just mean to his mommy, homosexuals, various pop icons, his wife kim and others!
Yeah, but is he down?

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gabe_billings
May 3, 2002 1:30 PM

quote:
eminem is just mean to his mommy, homosexuals, various pop icons, his wife kim and others!

I think he's pretty harsh on monkeys, too.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 1:31 PM

Dude. Monkeys are cool. Boo. Hiss.

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adarer
May 3, 2002 1:31 PM

awww i forgot the monkeys also

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adarer
May 3, 2002 1:42 PM

in his new song "without me" he says

Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody just follow me
Cuz we need a little controversy,
Cuz it feels so empty without me

do we really need any more controversy? o_O

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 2:08 PM

quote:
do we really need any more controversy? o_O

Yes! No! Uh.... It's okay if it's a controversial point that everybody agrees with. Which means it's not controversial anymore. Or....

My head hurts.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 3:07 PM

What I'm trying to say is, the racial division presented by most rap, especially gangsta rap, is carved there by the artists who perform it. The object of the genre seems to be to make the most money before you are yesterday's papers. Hardly inherently artistic as a discipline or an ideal. As far as racism in rap, I mixed a gig for De La Soul. Killer act. When the PA's low end on one whole side took a dump and deprived them of the necessary "phat bass" to put their stuff over, one of the openers grabbed the mic and asserted that I was purposely keeping the bass level low to somehow keep them from performing their work because I was a racist. My scurrying about like a hamster on crack to try and repair the problem apparently was just a pose.
The truth is, most rap, especially gangsta rap, is nothing more than mysogynist braggadocio, threats posed in rhyme, a glorification of cheap and dangerous behaviour, and a huge "fuck you, yo!" to any sensibility whatsoever. And the truth is, everybody with a shred of sense knows damn well that all that requires is:
a): A microphone.
b): The I.Q. and social skills of pigshit.
c): A drum machine with perhaps a snippet of somebody else's work looping behind it.

To quote another shit-stirrer, Johhy Rotten: Ah, ha ha! Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 3:08 PM

Johnny. That was a typo.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 5:00 PM

68083

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KajunFirefly
May 3, 2002 5:44 PM

quote:
I don't care about Eminem. But I don't know what the world's coming to when people log in as DrPedantic to correct their own mistakes.
I somehow thought it would be funny, I wasn't going to add the bit about DexX's "tiny Australian cock", but I did anyway, to appear troll-like, not sure what I was thinking.

uh, sorry DexX. :-)

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dcomposed
May 3, 2002 8:29 PM

*end thread*
I'm not even logging in as thread nazi.

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bunnerabb
May 3, 2002 8:52 PM

Sorry. No Hitler, no end of thread. You have to play fair. Then again.... eh...

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DexX
May 6, 2002 7:38 AM

I like The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopcrisy's Television, Drug of a Nation. Apart from that, I don't think I have ever liked a rap/hiphop/urban/whatever track. Very clever lyrics, an excellent groove, no egomaniacal bullshit. Apart from the fact that I just don't find the style of music enjoyable in 99.9% of cases, rap in general shits me up the wall because 99.9% of the lyrics seem to be nothing but: "I'm cool! I'm the best rapper ever! I'm sexy! Be my friend!" I fucking hate that shit...

...and as for that "tiny Australian penis", Kajun... I have a webcam now. Don't make me prove you wrong in the most horrifyingly public way imaginable.

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 6, 2002 8:01 AM

quote:
rap in general shits me up the wall because 99.9% of the lyrics seem to be nothing but: "I'm cool! I'm the best rapper ever! I'm sexy! Be my friend!" I fucking hate that shit...


It's a good thing that the horror that is "UK Garage" has yet to be inflicted on the rest of the world then. There are swathes of talentless MCs being foisted on a foolish public constantly braying about how great they are and how anyone who disagrees is only saying that because they are a "hater" and are jealous.

On the other hand, I am a massive hip hop fan. The problem is, the stuff that gets the most public exposure is crap from people like Ja Rule and that twat Diddy. But there is a lot of very very good stuff out there.

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DexX
May 6, 2002 8:10 AM

Okay, a challenge - name five rap/hiphop/whatever tracks that you regard to be top-notch, and I'll grab them off AudioGalaxy and have a listen.

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 6, 2002 8:28 AM

Is instrumental hip hop allowed?

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pita
May 6, 2002 8:40 AM

quote:
quote:
Aeodopus
It's Oedipus you fucking MORON!

Why don't you go back to smoking DexX's tiny Australian cock and leave the rest of us to have a decent, intellictual conversation!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
DR PEDANTIC MADE A TYPO!!!!!
It's *intellEctual*, you fucking MORON!

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pita
May 6, 2002 8:50 AM

quote:
...and as for that "tiny Australian penis", Kajun... I have a webcam now. Don't make me prove you wrong in the most horrifyingly public way imaginable.

Make him, Kajun! Make him!!! ; )

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DexX
May 6, 2002 8:55 AM

*blush*

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boorite
May 6, 2002 8:58 AM

"Wirthling the mythical liberal" has a certain ring to it. "We're off to see the liberal/ Wirthling the mythical liberal!/ He is he is a wiz of a lib/ if ever oh ever a lib there was/ .... Because of the liberal things he does!"

If a Buddy Rich drum solo is music, then so is rap.

Hate the gangstas, though.

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DexX
May 6, 2002 9:00 AM

quote:
Is instrumental hip hop allowed?
Uh... not what I had in mind, really. I was trying to make you find some rap I would like. :)

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 6, 2002 9:04 AM

Just checking. Okay, I shall go and see if I can think of some good ones.

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