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evil_d
June 20, 2001 8:23 PM

Most of you know the drill. For those of you who don't, here it is.

There are ten rules. I know this because I made them all up. I have them written down on a sheet of paper. You have to tell me what they are. You can do this by posting things that you think are rules, or by posting a comic that you think conforms to the rules. Then I'll tell you if you're right or not. The first person to demonstrate to me that they know what a given rule is will get a point. Whoever has the most points when all ten rules have been discovered gets first crack at moderating the next contest (and also gets called a geek by the rest of us).

I encourage you to make strips of your own and post them. I will be more generous with the hints in reponse to actual comics.

As has been done in some previous contests, one of the rules is a continuation of the one before it. I personally don't like doing that, but I was rather attached to one rule which I didn't feel it was fair to use without the prerequisite.

I'll start with the traditional four-strip opening. And then I'll go bash my brains out trying to write a long palindrome without the use of certain key consonants. Don't expect that one until tomorrow night.

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evil_d
June 20, 2001 8:27 PM

Conforms to rules 1 - 5. Breaks rules 6 - 10.
23098

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evil_d
June 20, 2001 8:30 PM

Breaks rules 1 - 5. Conforms to rules 6 - 10.
23099

Before you go nuts over everything that looks weird about that strip, visit the URL in the narration.

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evil_d
June 20, 2001 8:31 PM

Conforms to all ten rules.
23100

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evil_d
June 20, 2001 8:34 PM

Does not conform to any rules.
21898

I figured there was no reason to make a whole new comic that didn't follow the rules when I had plenty of old ones that would do.

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 4:34 AM

Hahahaha! I don't know about any rules, but that comic kicked ass!

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 2:09 PM

23193

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 2:10 PM

23194

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evil_d
June 21, 2001 2:35 PM

quote:
Hahahaha! I don't know about any rules, but that comic kicked ass!
Which, the Asimov one? I like that one, myself. :)

Uber Squirrel
Follows: 1, 4, 7, 10
Breaks: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9
Maybe: 2

This Ain't the Droid You're Looking For
Follows: 1, 3, 4
Breaks: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Maybe not: 2

I'll tell you up front that "Reprint the lyrics of a Clutch song" is not one of the rules. Way to suck up, though.

You obviously know what rule 4 is. Good job with it, too. I figured you'd be the one to guess it.

You almost certainly know rules 1, 7 and 10. Nice overkill on rule 7.

Whether you know rule 2 or not, I don't think I can give you credit for it. Your intentions aren't clear enough in either strip. If I had to make a final decision, I'd say the first strip follows rule 2, but the second doesn't. Fortunately I don't have to make a final decision right now.

Good show, old bean. Keep them coming, folks. I've got another fully compliant strip scripted. I'll bring it to life sometime tonight or tomorrow morning.

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 2:41 PM

Nice job fucking up my head. All the rules I thought I was following were from 1-5. I didn't think I knew 7 or 10.

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 7:14 PM

23248

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gabe_billings
June 21, 2001 7:46 PM

23256

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evil_d
June 21, 2001 9:09 PM

All your *BEEP!*
Follows: 8
Breaks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10

Eye Eat Paste
Follows: 1, 2, 7, 10
Breaks: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9
Close Enough: 4

You still know what rule 4 is. You probably stumbled over 10. I'm still convinced that you know what 1 and 7 are, but maybe you're just getting lucky. You're probably very close on 2. And you probably have no idea why the first strip follows rule 8. 8 might actually be the toughest one to figure out, though it's one of the easiest to do by accident.

This is fun, even if there's only one contestant. Come on, everyone else, steal Gabe's victory while he's still relatively clueless!

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kaufman
June 22, 2001 6:10 AM

quote:
This is fun, even if there's only one contestant. Come on, everyone else, steal Gabe's victory while he's still relatively clueless!
I've been looking, but right now I'm beyond relatively clueless. Think I'm stumped on all 10. Will post when you pop out of my blind spot.

==Ken

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evil_d
June 22, 2001 8:08 AM

Maybe this will help. It's fully compliant.

23295

As a bonus, this strip actually complies with rule 5 twice, rule 7 three times, rule 8 twice (three times if you're Dr. Pedantic), and rule 9 twice. (You could argue that it complies with some other rules multiple times as well, but so have most of the other strips, and it's the nature of those rules to be in continuing use throughout a strip.) As a trade-off, I'm being a real bastard about rule 4 in this one. But I assure you that it does follow rule 4. Consult a reference book if you doubt it.

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gabe_billings
June 22, 2001 8:25 AM

quote:
I'll tell you up front that "Reprint the lyrics of a Clutch song" is not one of the rules. Way to suck up, though.


I didn't figure it was. I was just looking at their page and thought, why should I waste my time coming up with dialoge?

quote:
You obviously know what rule 4 is. Good job with it, too. I figured you'd be the one to guess it.

You almost certainly know rules 1, 7 and 10. Nice overkill on rule 7.



I'm absolutely sure about 4. But the other few things I thought I had a clue about have been thrown out the window. I was absolutely sure I had the rule about backgrounds figured out, and this comic dicked it up.

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evil_d
June 22, 2001 8:45 AM

quote:
I was just looking at their page and thought, why should I waste my time coming up with dialoge?
Because several of the rules concern dialogue. There are a few reasons why I picked the particular song I did. (Other than the fact that it was stuck in my head.)

quote:
I'm absolutely sure about 4.
Just to clarify, the reason Eye Eat Paste doesn't quite comply with it... let's say you took it too far.

quote:
I was absolutely sure I had the rule about backgrounds figured out, and this comic dicked it up.
Here's a hint. There is no rule about backgrounds as such. However, judicious choice of backgrounds is probably the easiest way to comply with one of the rules.

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gabe_billings
June 22, 2001 9:10 AM

I know why 'Eye Eat Paste' doesn't quite fit the bill for #4. I was just sending you a message.

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evil_d
June 22, 2001 9:40 AM

quote:
I know why 'Eye Eat Paste' doesn't quite fit the bill for #4. I was just sending you a message.
I assumed you were doing the same with "Uber Squirrel".

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gabe_billings
June 23, 2001 6:48 AM

23434

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evil_d
June 23, 2001 11:20 AM

This Contest Hurts My Head
Follows: 4, 5, 6
Breaks: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10

You probably know rule 6. If you knew rule 5, I think you'd have better uses for it.

I really didn't mean to make this so difficult. I was actually afraid it would be too easy, and put in red herring or two to throw people off. I see I needn't have bothered. (Oddly, you don't seem to be going for the herrings, either.)

I think this last strip may have been making a stab at rule 3. If it helps at all, I'll tell you that rule 3 actually specifies something that can't happen, rather than something that must. I guess you could express it either way, though.

I'm thinking up another strip right now. Hopefully it'll help.

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gabe_billings
June 23, 2001 11:52 AM

It's always easier when you're making the rules. :)

I think one thing that makes rules easy or hard is their type. They can be roughly categorized into two chunks.

There are the basic rules, that are generally governed by things like alphabetization, numerical order, postion in the forms on the comic creator page, etc. Things that a person with with no specialized knowledge would be able to sort out through logic and common sense.

Then there are the obscure rules, which call for the puzzlegoer to have some prior knowledge. I assumed that US presidents would be pretty easy to see, but obviously it was harder for DexX. DexX thought Beatles lyrics were easy to spot, but it was a pain in the ass for me.

So how many of your rules are the confusing kind?

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gabe_billings
June 23, 2001 12:06 PM

And since we can both post comics and guess, I'm going to give guessing a try... I'll save the single rule that I'm absolutely sure of, since it's kind of fun when you find it. But here are my brainstorms for everything else...

Speaking of patterns, this one jumped out right off the bat. Since all four of your first comics followed it, I was sure it was a rule and not just a mistake.

I thought the background had to fall alphabetically between both the character groups and the characters.

Good:
WIGU < Psycho > Props
WIGURube < Psycho > Phone

Bad:
Threereasons < Canyon > Dexx
Feetforears < Canyon > Satan

Everything was great up until the comic about Death and Gore, which blew that theory out of the water.

I think you need to use at least one prop.

After the first couple comics, I thought you needed to use the word you/your like 8 or 9 times, hence the 'All your base' comic to see if that was true.

Name of an assassin, or someone that's been assassinated?

Name a background?

A character from the Dexx group must appear in the right side of some of the panels.

Name a game? (This one was stretching. You used the word 'magicky' and then 'half my life'. Magic, Half Life. I know, thinking too much...

That's about all I got for now.

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evil_d
June 23, 2001 12:11 PM

Conforms to all ten rules.
23444

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evil_d
June 23, 2001 12:30 PM

I tried to get a good mix of detail-focused rules and content-focused rules. I also tried to make it so that it should be easy enough to do a little internet reasearch if you don't have the requisite knowledge.

I would say that about half of the rules fall into each category, but the distinction is blurry in some cases, so I don't want to confuse anyone by giving actual numbers.

I think two rules require previous knowledge. One you've got (see below). The other may be more obscure than I first thought. I'm trying to make it suggest itself.

quote:
Speaking of patterns, this one jumped out right off the bat. Since all four of your first comics followed it, I was sure it was a rule and not just a mistake.

I thought the background had to fall alphabetically between both the character groups and the characters.


Wow. That's pure accident. I would never have even thought to look for that.

quote:
I think you need to use at least one prop.
Rule 1: At least one prop must appear.

quote:
After the first couple comics, I thought you needed to use the word you/your like 8 or 9 times, hence the 'All your base' comic to see if that was true.
Nope. I think I just have a tendency to use those words a lot in dialogue.

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Name of an assassin, or someone that's been assassinated?
Rule 6: The text must include the name of the victim or perpetrator of a famous successful assassination.

I was worried non-Americans would have trouble, not with this rule, but with the fact that I could only think of American examples. I searched Google for "assassination" and eliminated the names of people I'd already used, and the remaining pickings were pretty slim. I think John Lennon, who you may or may not think of as an assassination victim, is the only good choice left.

quote:
Name a background?
Nope.

quote:
A character from the Dexx group must appear in the right side of some of the panels.
No, I just like DexX's characters.

quote:
Name a game? (This one was stretching. You used the word 'magicky' and then 'half my life'. Magic, Half Life. I know, thinking too much...
No, not necessarily thinking too much, but also not a rule.

The score:
Gabe - 3
Everyone else - 0

There's still plenty of time to get your guesses in, folks.

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evil_d
June 23, 2001 6:24 PM

quote:
No, I just like DexX's characters.
It just occurred to me that this statement might be misleading. While I do like DexX's characters, that's not the only reason I'm choosing them. There is an as-yet-undiscovered rule which can be satisfied by the use of certain DexX characters. No, it doesn't involve color. I left color out of the rules entirely.

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gabe_billings
June 23, 2001 9:41 PM

Aha! I think I know. Is it rule 10?

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evil_d
June 23, 2001 10:27 PM

Yup.

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gabe_billings
June 24, 2001 6:03 AM

Bonus.

When I was looking up assassinations, I actually found an entire page with a calendar of famous world assassinations, chock full of people that bought it. But now I can't find it.

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gabe_billings
June 24, 2001 4:17 PM

Rule #10 - At least one character must be holding something.

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evil_d
June 24, 2001 9:03 PM

quote:
Rule #10 - At least one character must be holding something.
Almost. Not quite specific enough.

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gabe_billings
June 25, 2001 4:22 AM

A weapon?

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evil_d
June 25, 2001 6:34 AM

Rule 10: At least one character wielding a weapon must appear.

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evil_d
June 25, 2001 9:02 PM

So. Should we bother continuing this? There's only one person guessing rules, it's taken a few days to get only four of them, and I think the rules that are left will be even harder than those that have already been guessed. I've been enjoying writing strips that supposedly give hints about the rules, but... I don't know. Seems kind of silly. Let me know if you just want me to post what the rules were and be done with it.

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gabe_billings
June 26, 2001 2:49 AM

I've probably spent more time than I ought have trying to work them out, and I'm not getting anywhere. You're too smart for me, you evil bastard.

You can try making some more obvious clues, give some big hints, etc. That might work. But if you want, you can post the rules and satisfy my curiosity.

G

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evil_d
June 26, 2001 6:36 PM

Well, I decided that if I couldn't think of a good strip by the time I got home, I'd just post the rules. I couldn't, so here they are.

1: At least one prop must appear.
2: A character must talk to that prop. Talking to someone/something else via the prop is acceptable.
3: No panel in the strip may take place on our planet earth. The strip must make this reasonably unambiguous.
4: The initial letters of all text boxes, when combined in order (narration, left dialogue, right dialogue, panels from left to right), must spell a common English word. "Common" means I can find it in the dictionary.
5: The text must include the name of one of the seven deadly sins in some form.
6: The text must include the name of the victim or perpetrator of a famous successful assassination.
7: The text must include a formal title, such as Mr., Professor, or President.
8: Some text box must include three immediately consecutive punctuation marks.
9: The strip must incorporate a bizarre, inappropriate, awkward, or otherwise bad simile, metaphor, or analogy.
10: At least one character wielding a weapon must appear.

Rule 8 is the only one I really feel bad about. It was the last one I made, and I was just trying to get the contest started without waiting another day. Some of the others I was afraid would be too obvious. I guess I should have expected that what's obvious to me isn't to other people.

When I designed the rules, I tried to plan them so that one could follow them all and still craft a strip that would be funny and coherent in its own right. Perhaps I did too good a job of that.

Words which were used as one of the seven deadly sins were: anger, lust, avarice, pride, lazy (laziness = sloth), wrath. I guess my Catholic upbringing may have made these words more significant to me than to other people. But then, there was that movie a few years back. I was trying to think of a way to use "gluttony" or "covetousness"; I figured those would suggest themselves.

When I saw that "Uber Squirrel" contained the phrase "Mr. Doctor, sir", I was sure rule 7 had been guessed. Either of those three would have satisfied it.

This was fun, even if it didn't ultimately amount to anything. If someone else wants to start another one, I'll play. But take a lesson from me and don't make the rules too hard.

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kaufman
June 26, 2001 7:03 PM

Hey Mr. evil_d,

I just wanted to call in from my home planet and say to you through my computer ...

Sorry I couldn't get myself up to participate, but I looked over your rules, and that was a fine set. I did enjoy poring over your compliant strips in retrospect.

So don't think your work was in vain. I'm putting down my knife and thinking peaceful thoughts -- I'm right now like John Lennon lying naked next to Yoko.

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gabe_billings
June 26, 2001 7:18 PM

They were good rules. Had I been given several more weeks and a slightly larger brain I might have come up with more.

Seriously, writing these rules is a bitch. No matter what you think is gonna work out great ends up being too easy or too hard.

But at least it's fun.

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