What does an Amiga have to do with anything? What exactly are you trying to prove DexX?

I remember typing C:\games\keen\keen.exe to play my favorite game... I don't remember dos at all but I do remember using it and my dad having some shell for it. I was using computers at an early age and remember all versions of windows. I can't remember which year it was but my favorite was that one with the top bar that had all your shortcuts that would now be on the startmenu, the drop bar to change useres, and that little window in the corner that you could move open windows on the desktop around with... I cant remember.

Anyway I won't argue this anymore; say what you like and I won't participate.

I am suggesting that, as far as the history of computers go, you weren't present and aware for very much of it. I am also suggesting that your knowledge of personal computers is relatively slim.

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When you have

A. few friends
B. homeschool
C. and live in the same house as a man

1. who has at least 5 computers runing at all time
2. a computer in each room
3. and forces you to learn at least Perl VB and HTML

Then you probably would know something about computers.

I suggest that you entertain the posibility that I know "something" about computers before assuring yourself I don't and intending to prove to everyone that it is so.

Uh-huh... and have you ever used anything _other_ than a Microsoft operating system? Oh, when I say "used" I mean "used for a long period of time to perform several different tasks" not "looked at on a friend's PC for a few minutes before losing interest and wandering off to play with thr nearest game console".

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I think I answered this question-

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Oh, when I say "used" I mean "used for a long period of time to perform several different tasks" not "looked at on a friend's

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Eh? DOS and all versions of Windows are Microsoft OSes!

By the way, my favourite OS is Amiga Workbench. Shame Commodore were so crap at marketing...

I thought he was refering to widows... my mistake.

I used to have an atari st, and the OS on that was not too shabby. I remember getting a 40Meg hard drive and thinking it was huuuuge.

Amigas were criminally under-rated machines. Everybody knew about their godlike gaming and graphics capabilities (all the 3D graphics in the first season of Babylon 5 were rendered on a venerable Amiga 4000, and they are still remarkably good for a low budget TV show of the period). Unfortunately, their capabilities in other areas were sadly ignored. My favourite word processor of all time was KindWord on the Amiga.

My favourite feature of the Amiga Workbench was the amazing ease with which fonts could be edited. I must have made almost a dozen different fonts - I was heavily into calligraphy at the time, and diligently turned all of my favourite printing styles into detailed fonts for my RPG documents. Yeah, I was heavily into AD&D at the time as well...

Actually, I am unsure what the actual Amiga OS was. As far as I can work out, Workbench was a GUI shell. I recall having a disc and manual for AmigaDOS as well (made by Microsoft, if I recall correctly).

I still have a copy of the brilliant old SDK AMOS laying around too. Must buy a second hand Amiga... Dad sold my old AMiga mere months after I moved out of home and spent the proceeds on (*choke!*) an XT. Should set up our Commodore 128 too...

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Oh, forgot to mention: Nate, the fact that you did not know that Microsoft ever made an OS other than Windows is an important point. I first reluctantly joined the PC crew dureing MS-DOS 5's reign. DOS 6.1 was a great upgrade - it had some wonderful features (many borrowed from Symantec, but that's another story) and was generally a lot nicer and more stable, and dealt with EMS/XMS better (why the fuck were there two standards, anyway?).

My point is this: We are not telling you that you are wrong because we hate you. We are telling you that you are wrong because we genuinely disagree strongly with your claims, and feel that we know more about it than you do. That said, I am hardly a DOS guru myself - freeing up base RAM and swapping between EMS and XMS was always a major trial for me. I am not a great computer expert, but I do know that Microsoft has a lot of shoddy products which have no business being the top-sellers in their fields, and only got to such sales heights because of Microsoft's dodgy practices.

If MS were a hardware-only company, I would love them... their mice have been top-notch for a decade, and I adore my MS joystick.

It's when their $500 software crashes unrecoverably because of an accidental keypress which should have generated a simple error message that I start to get annoyed. Oh, and it's when a very naive person tells me I am wrong to be upset and that I should shut up that I get fucking enraged. However...

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This seemed a good place to post it. How windows was made:

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I am not 16 going on not 17, I know that I'm naive.

I do know this; I just forgot. After all, I at least saw "pirates of silicon vally" :)

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My point is this: We are not telling you that you are wrong because we hate you. We are telling you that you are wrong because we genuinely disagree strongly with your claims, and feel that we know more about it than you do. That said, I am hardly a DOS guru myself - freeing up base RAM and swapping between EMS and XMS was always a major trial for me. I am not a great computer expert, but I do know that Microsoft has a lot of shoddy products which have no business being the top-sellers in their fields, and only got to such sales heights because of Microsoft's dodgy practices.

If MS were a hardware-only company, I would love them... their mice have been top-notch for a decade, and I adore my MS joystick.

It's when their $500 software crashes unrecoverably because of an accidental keypress which should have generated a simple error message that I start to get annoyed. Oh, and it's when a very naive person tells me I am wrong to be upset and that I should shut up that I get fucking enraged. However...

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No, AmigaBasic was made by Microsoft. It was also about the worst programming language available for the machine. Coincidence?

Workbench was the GUI for the Amiga OS, imaginatively titled AmigaOS. It wasn't just a fancy front end for DOS, unlike some OSes I could mention.

I still have my A1200 set up beside the PC. I use it for graphics, mainly because I can't get used to Photoshop, and for music, because OctaMed beats every PC sequencer I've tried.

Punk asses.

My first computer was an Atari 400 that I bought with factory-approved upgrade to a whopping 48k of RAM!

48k!

Try giving today's applications 48k of RAM. It would be like giving Rosie O'Donnell one Buffalo wing.

My first peripheral: A cassette tape drive.

On bootup, the 400 made a flatulent noise. The old Bronx cheer. I always wondered why they made it do that.

Oh, and DOS is old skool? Make me laugh! Remember CP/M?

And don't get me started on JCL! JCL!!!!! I changed majors over that crap!!!!!!

Seriously, I did.

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I suppose I'm not much of a colossal geek in comparison. Other than an "Intro to Basic" class (using the Apple IIe) in high school, I never so much as looked at a computer until 1994. As a result, I suppose I was spared the fate of becoming one of those people who bemoaned the decreased emphasis on DOS as Windows progressed.

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Punk asses.

My first computer was an Atari 400 that I bought with factory-approved upgrade to a whopping 48k of RAM!

48k!

Try giving today's applications 48k of RAM. It would be like giving Rosie O'Donnell one Buffalo wing.

My first peripheral: A cassette tape drive.

On bootup, the 400 made a flatulent noise. The old Bronx cheer. I always wondered why they made it do that.

Oh, and DOS is old skool? Make me laugh! Remember CP/M?

And don't get me started on JCL! JCL!!!!! I changed majors over that crap!!!!!!

Seriously, I did.

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Oh man... tape that 400 bootup noise and put it online. I must take a trip down memory lane.

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Ladies and Gentlemen. I have a confession to make.

I did indeed learn to program ,at 7 years old on a ZX81. Thats right folks , SINCLAIR BASIC. I learned spectrum basic when i was 9. I wrote space invaders clones in Machine code when i was 10.

And then i stopped altogether. Because i had more important things to do , like schoolwork ,and playing Kevin Toms' Football Manager for hours on end.

How i wish id stuck at it. All the computer geeks like me who stuck with it , learned more languages on different platforms , etc etc , are now really rich.

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"Life Sucks, Then you Die. The bit inbetween isnt very funny either"

Timex-Sinclairs ROCKED! They had a little printer that was like a cash register tape.

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My dad had a Trash-80 that printed on these weird little rolls of silvery paper that was about the size of adding machine tape. And it stored stuff on cassette tapes.

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Ladies and Gentlemen. I have a confession to make.

I did indeed learn to program ,at 7 years old on a ZX81. Thats right folks , SINCLAIR BASIC. I learned spectrum basic when i was 9. I wrote space invaders clones in Machine code when i was 10.

And then i stopped altogether. Because i had more important things to do , like schoolwork ,and playing Kevin Toms' Football Manager for hours on end.

How i wish id stuck at it. All the computer geeks like me who stuck with it , learned more languages on different platforms , etc etc , are now really rich.

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Speaking of the advent grande of technology and all those programers that got rich, did anyone else read Michael Lewis' "The New New Thing"?

Actualy I didn't read it- I have it on tape. But I still rerea- er, relisten to it.

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Must buy a second hand Amiga... Dad sold my old AMiga mere months after I moved out of home and spent the proceeds on (*choke!*) an XT. Should set up our Commodore 128 too...

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KEVIN TOMS IS THE ALLFATHER.