This is definitely becoming an issue in the world, and I can just see a lot of people having strong opinions on it.

Personally, I think Mel Gibson has his head up his ass. Anyone watching VH1 at all lately must have seen the joke that blonde girl said about how Mel Gibson has finally lost it, and by 'it' she means 'The Memo where it says Jews run Hollywood'. That's some funny shit. It may not be completely true, but a lot of Jewish people are prominent filmmakers, etc. in Hollywood.

I've listened to the shit his father has said. It's pure garbage. He denies that even 6,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust. He said it was impossible because they were all in the Bronx and Queens. What? Since when can the Bronx or Queens hold six million anything? I don't seem to remember learning in history class about the Great Diaspora to Queens. Gibson defends his father, saying he(Dad) taught him(Mel) all his beliefs. RD said Mel was going to have to go on the record saying the Holocaust DID happen. Mel said, yes, it happened, a lot of people died, some of them were Jewish. WRONG!!!

MOST of them, at least, would have been a better statement. And although I tend to ignore critics about a movie until I've seen it, I have heard this movie portrays Jews in such a blatantly negative way that it is apalling. It is also rumored to be a two-hour Jesus beat-down, far, far more violent than necessary.

The worst thing about this? Not only are people FLOCKING to see this movie, but fanatical Christians are weeping and praying and causing huge uproars all over the place. Add in all the fucking merchandising that has already started (anyone see the Passion of the Christ race car?), and you've got one of the most evil films of this century.

But should the movie be allowed? Yup. Freedom of Speech means even shit like this has the right to be shown. I had just hoped people had better taste than to support such garbage.

Good old Mikey, giving such fair criticism of a film he hasn't seen.

I believe more than half of holocaust victims were gentiles. Mel's dad sounds pretty wack though.

Maybe, dougan, but I'm not liking what I've downloaded so far.

I half agree with MikeyG.

Agreeing side: It's just a fucking movie. You don't need litanies over this. And evil is kind of how this might be described. What I mean by that is that it's taking over part of the world (the intangible world, mostly).

Disagreeing side: It is a movie, but some movie emotionally effect people. You might wanna see what other people's opinions are on it. I, myself, am Christian (probably not the best), but nevertheless I still intend on seeing it. Even if it isn't bibically correct, it probably still will make an impression on people. I can see it being a best seller.

Also, this is starting to sound like the Titanic movie.

wait, so jesus dies in the end right?

The only time I think you can argue against a movie being released is if it's very violent and obviously marketed towards children, or will in some way cause riots or uprisings. If you're not doing harm and you're not forcing obscenity where it's not wanted or expected, you are allowed to artistically express whatever you want.

Other than that, you are a moron if you argue against someone's right to use their free speech. If Jesus offends you, don't watch the movie. If you are complaining about it you are just brainwashed by the criticism in the media, and you might as well have had your brains blown out with a hollow-tipped bullet.

Please note MikeyG complained about it BEFORE he saw the movie. Wow, way to form your own opinion, totally not influenced by the mass media, you gibbering, rotted-brain howler ape.

I don't see any anti-semitism in the release of the movie. I do see a lot of anti-Christianity though. Could you imagine if Christians were protesting the release of a movie made about Moses?

And MikeyG are you saying Mel Gibson shouldn't have made a movie about Jesus because there are Jews in Hollywood?

Wow, I'm really flabergasted by your stupidity. I really didn't think you were THAT stupid.

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ha! Hey, MaKK, remind me to make an Excel spreadsheet outlining your comments nearly everywhere else. Anyway, what I should have said was, 'HYPOTHETICALLY', if what is being said is TRUE, then that is how I feel. Nevertheless, I am pretty disgusted with the merchandising of the story.

MaKK, thanks for once again adding absolutely nothing to what might have been a dialogue. You must have failed your SATs (If you're American), because your reading comprehension SUCKS.

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I heard that some woman died of a heart attack while watching the end of the film! I've already booked my ticket!

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i saw the movie on wednesday night, and cinematically it was a piece of crap. all of the "story" happens offscreen in the audience's memory of the Bible. the only thing that happens onscreen was mel gibbson beating the fuck out of jesus for two hours. with the exception of pontius pilate (and maybe jesus, but even that's iffy since his range of emotions was suffering suffering suffering and apathy), the acting was nothing to write home about. in fact, the aramaic made each actor have trouble delivering more than three words at a time without weird unnatural pauses. the cinematography wasn't worth a red cent, especially in the opening woods scene. the sinead o'connor devil character was more of a distraction than anything (i would have enjoyed the film so much more if she weren't in it). in sum, as a film, the passion blows donkey dick.

and yet, if there's a believer somewhere inside you, then you'll cry, because mel gibbson beats the living crap out of jesus for two hours-- yes, a worse beating than mel got at the end of braveheart. i think he could have exchanged jesus for george bush, and i would have cried more (and probably would have gone to church this sunday to get down on my knees and thank God).

george w bush for jesus in 04.

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Actually I don't think it's the same as The Last Temptation of Christ, I think it was the Christians complaining about that movie then (as also the more conservative people would have a beef with "the latest Madonna video).

I'm not quite sure why it seems like it's the liberals out howling for this movie (aren't they supposed to be tolerant of all religions? Oh right all religions except Christianity, I forgot).

The "best" explanation I've heard is that it's because the movie is anti-semetic, and the best "evidence" I've seen for this is that Mel Gibson's dad might have made some ignorant comments.

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I could barely stand to hear the review on the radio. What the hell is so enjoyable about watching in graphic detail as someone get the shit beat out of them?

That's entertainment? I think Mel Gibson is a sick bastard.

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I was tempted to create a thread like this when I first watched it on Wednesday but I was waiting for someone else to do it. Anyways in my opinion, I thought the movie was well done. For me, many images in the movie really struck me and I must admit, I did get emotional. Seems like I'm the only that actually liked the movie =P.

I know a lot of people that loved the movie, because it reminded them of how much LOVE Christ must have had in order to go through such pain.

Fuck that. I know people that survived the Holocaust, lost everyone important to them, were tortured past sanity, and had to move to a country with nothing but the rags on their back. They didn't have a whole religion devoted to them, and now people say it didn't even HAPPEN.

Showing Christ being tortured makes Christians feel moved. It makes the rest of us roll our eyes. He's not the only man/woman who has gone through unimaginable pain for love. Honestly, let Mel and all his cronies feel great about themselves. If I want to know how strong a person can be, I'll talk to Vietnam veterans or my relatives who went through the Holocaust. I don't need to see some 2000 year old dude getting the shit beat out of him.

I think he's a bit closer to 2040-something.

I think I misread the movie title. Sorry.

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I know a lot of people that loved the movie, because it reminded them of how much LOVE Christ must have had in order to go through such pain.

Fuck that. I know people that survived the Holocaust, lost everyone important to them, were tortured past sanity, and had to move to a country with nothing but the rags on their back. They didn't have a whole religion devoted to them, and now people say it didn't even HAPPEN.

Showing Christ being tortured makes Christians feel moved. It makes the rest of us roll our eyes. He's not the only man/woman who has gone through unimaginable pain for love. Honestly, let Mel and all his cronies feel great about themselves. If I want to know how strong a person can be, I'll talk to Vietnam veterans or my relatives who went through the Holocaust. I don't need to see some 2000 year old dude getting the shit beat out of him.

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Who said it was supposed to be "enjoyable?" I would think that if you didn't like the movie, you'd at least shut up about it and move on to something you did like. How could something that doesn't pertain to you make you feel like that unless it really DOES? Can't you just ignore it like you ignore everything else?

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Who said it was supposed to be "enjoyable?" I would think that if you didn't like the movie, you'd at least shut up about it and move on to something you did like. How could something that doesn't pertain to you make you feel like that unless it really DOES? Can't you just ignore it like you ignore everything else?

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Dougan--I like the point you make. I've never considered that before.

I'm an athiest, but I'll go see this movie eventually. It won't change my life, but I'm sure I'll appreciate it for what it is and for what it represents.

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Yeah, I never understood all this "Jesus saves" business. Jesus was meant to have taken on the punishment for our sins, thereby enabling us to get into Heaven, right? But the punishment for our sins was to go to Hell: surely getting beaten up a bit and then crucified can't compare to being in Hell for eternity. So all this "salvation" stuff is bollox.

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Yeah, I never understood all this "Jesus saves" business. Jesus was meant to have taken on the punishment for our sins, thereby enabling us to get into Heaven, right? But the punishment for our sins was to go to Hell: surely getting beaten up a bit and then crucified can't compare to being in Hell for eternity. So all this "salvation" stuff is bollox.

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Good point, Dougan. That's an inconsistency that was never really explained to us impressionable little Catholics. Perhaps he died for ORIGINAL SIN, which is yet another guilt-weilding propaganda crux that the church likes to lean on.

For any non-Christians or people who don't know, original sin is allegedly something you are born with. I am surmising it is something to do with the sins of the father visiting the son or whatever. As in the weight of the sins of your parents and ancestors follows you into the womb. Or maybe you're born a sinner because your parents had to make the nasty sex to conceive you.

Anyway, you must be baptized by the church to eliminate this original sin you are born with. Perhaps Jesus died so you can be forgiven for sins your elders committed when you're scarcely old enough to know what that fleshy nub on your hand is that tastes so damn good.

The point is, what does it say about a religion who believes that you are BORN guilty?

I'm all for some kind of religion based around Angel. Although we'd probably end up with some kind of holy war versus the Spike fans.

I guess that's what I get for not signing on to SC on weekends... Lots of discussion to which I am extremely late!

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Yeah, I never understood all this "Jesus saves" business. Jesus was meant to have taken on the punishment for our sins, thereby enabling us to get into Heaven, right? But the punishment for our sins was to go to Hell: surely getting beaten up a bit and then crucified can't compare to being in Hell for eternity. So all this "salvation" stuff is bollox.

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ROME, Georgia (AP) -- Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy.

The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers.

The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price.

"It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/01/offbeat.passion.ap/index.html

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I don't get why anyone would find watching someone get the shit beat out of them for two hours entertaining. Just listening to the review on the radio made me sick.

Okay, Jesus suffered. Is anything gained by seeing it in graphic, gory detail? I won't even go into how concentrating on this one (albiet dramatic) part of the Jesus story, presented outside of the context of the story, Misses The Point Entirely(tm).

Mel Gibson is one sick bastard. That's what I think.

I'd like to go to see the film just because so many self-righteous people are complaining about it. The only thing putting me off is that it looks a bit crap.

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I don't get why anyone would find watching someone get the shit beat out of them for two hours entertaining. Just listening to the review on the radio made me sick.

Okay, Jesus suffered. Is anything gained by seeing it in graphic, gory detail? I won't even go into how concentrating on this one (albiet dramatic) part of the Jesus story, presented outside of the context of the story, Misses The Point Entirely(tm).

Mel Gibson is one sick bastard. That's what I think.

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