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cynthialev
May 18, 2004 8:25 PM

For all those who think gays should have the same rights as straights, here's an example of the kind of "morality" we're heading toward if gays are allowed to continue to manipulate our legal system:

A 52 year-old man was dying of AIDS. He had a 19 year-old lover. The guy was well off and wanted to make sure his lover got all his possessions when he died. But he was afraid his brothers and sisters would put up a fight.

He wrote to a gay magazine asking for legal advice. What did the attorney on staff suggest? "Adopt your lover as your son. That way he will be you closest relative."

Here's my question: If a straight guy had a girlfriend, turned her into his daughter and kept screwing her, would anybody here see a problem with that???

Just curious...

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MaKK_BeNN
May 18, 2004 10:56 PM

I guess gay legal advice is substandard to straight legal advice because I don't think you can adopt someone 18 and over. Also if something is in your will I don't think there's much anyone can do about it. There might be a debate if he had no will, or if it was giving custody of children to someone, or living will concerncs, etc. Of course I'm not a "big city gay lawyer".

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choadwarrior
May 18, 2004 11:12 PM

You mean a girlfriend that he could marry, kiss in public, have children with, have community property, hospital visitations, receive social security benefits for, reduce probate challenges for, provide health insurance for, that he could love openly and not fear for his job in most states, file joint tax returns with, and enjoy a myriad of other property and tax benefits?

Yeah, I would have a hard time understanding why he would take such an extreme action when he could just marry her.

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AccentuateNegative
May 18, 2004 11:14 PM

quote:
Just curious...

You really ought to try it. It's not that bad.

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DMSO
May 19, 2004 12:07 AM

quote:

Here's my question: If a straight guy had a girlfriend, turned her into his daughter and kept screwing her, would anybody here see a problem with that???

Just curious...



I would be puzzled as to why he would do such a thing, but I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Their relationship would technically class as incest, but wouldn't contain the elements that make incest morally or biologically undesirable; there would be no abuse of power and no inbreeding would be involved if offspring were produced.

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Chi_The_Cynic
May 19, 2004 12:12 AM

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...an example of the kind of "morality" we're heading toward if gays are allowed to continue to manipulate our legal system

Morality? Haha, you make me laugh heartily. Did you really think the legal system was in place to define our morals? Also, do you consider that gay people are somehow your moral inferiors?

I hardly feel that gay men and women are "manipulating" the legal system, since in most places in the world they're not allowed to marry. If they could really exert the sort of influence you describe, then I think they'd have done so by now.

Further, where did you get this "example" of yours from? I notice you didn't source it to anywhere - sounds like the sort of garbage you hear in Church sermons along the lines of "a man I once knew..." or "in my last parish..." Since you have failed to establish the authenticity of this account, I suspect you either made it up or else heard it via word of mouth from a gaybasher.

The example is flawed because, as mAAk rightly points out, if the guy in question had wanted to leave everything to his lover, then his will gave him that power. He could've left his entire wealth to a cat, if he'd so chosen - there are cases where people do this. A less extreme example is where the deceased leaves their fortune to charity, cutting their relatives out completely. Thus, I really don't see why the man would have adopted his lover, since if his concern was with the 19 year old getting his money when he died, he would've had no need so to do.

In the mean time, have a think on those 'morals' of yours, there's a good thing.

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fuzzyman
May 19, 2004 3:24 AM

If gay marriage were legal (outside MA) then he would just marry his young lover and the whole adoption thing wouldn't be a question, now would it?

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cynthialev
May 19, 2004 4:54 AM

Someone questioned whether this example was word-of-mouth. It wasn't. I have a gay friend and was flipping through one of his magazines, just out of curiosity. I read the letter and the reply. (The other letters were fairly non-controversial, but this one caught my eye.) I can't remember the name of the publication. Does that mean the magazine doesn't exist???

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User #16352
May 19, 2004 4:59 AM

Yes.

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cynthialev
May 19, 2004 5:03 AM

It think it's interesting that I'M being attacked for a question some guy on his deathbed wrote to a magazine. Sure he could will everything to his lover. But apparently he was afraid and wanted keep the kid from being dragged through courts by vindictive relatives.

My question wasn't about this gay guy whose probably dead and buried by now; or his lover, whose probably living high off the hog anyway. It's whether or not straights are allowed to do the same thing.

For example, if I adopt an 18 year-old (which I'm guessing IS legal since it was suggested by a LAWYER who should know), then can I bang him the same way gay guys are allowed to??

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 19, 2004 5:50 AM

Didn't Woody Allen shag his adopted daughter?

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MikeyG
May 19, 2004 7:04 AM

I think Mia Farrow actually adopted Sun-Yi, but I believe Woody Allen shagged her after he allegedly adopted her.

It's a far cry from a guy dying of AIDS having no choice but to adopt his young lover because the fucking legal system is so ass-backwards he can't leave the lover in the will.

The simple fact that two people who are in love, and one of them is on his fucking deathbed for chrissakes, would have to resort to this to have the same rights as a heterosexual couple because the legal system denies them these rights, means to ME that this system DESERVES to be 'manipulated'.

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OMG_DaGmAr_6481987
May 19, 2004 7:18 AM

Straight people manipulate the legal system as well...so the real question is: Open-Minded On Gays, Are You???

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Chi_The_Cynic
May 19, 2004 9:44 AM

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It think it's interesting that I'M being attacked for a question some guy on his deathbed wrote to a magazine. Sure he could will everything to his lover. But apparently he was afraid and wanted keep the kid from being dragged through courts by vindictive relatives.

If you'd phrased your original post along the lines of "Look at the lengths homosexuals have to go to in order to get the same rights as heterosexuals" then you might have got a kinder response. As it is, you stated from the start that adopting your lover in order to ensure he receives his inheritance was somehow "immoral" or a result of gay-conspiritorial-manipulative-strategy. Also, some vague indication of where this story came from (like the name of the magazine, at least) would've helped.

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My question wasn't about this gay guy whose probably dead and buried by now; or his lover, whose probably living high off the hog anyway. It's whether or not straights are allowed to do the same thing.

Theoretically, they could - it isn't incestuous given that there is no blood relation. However, I don't know enough law to be able to answer definitively. At the end of the day, there'd be no point, since heterosexual people can just get married anyway.

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MaKK_BeNN
May 19, 2004 12:45 PM

I still don't understand what the complaining is about when it's not even relevant to gay marriage since you could just leave you belongings to anyone you want to in a will. I think that might be why you're getting a hostile response, because you're trying to place an false context around the scenario you brought up. What does it have to do with being open-minded at all?

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 19, 2004 2:09 PM

I also heard that the gays are building a secret army of giant robots to destroy the world. What kind of "morality" is this????

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DMSO
May 19, 2004 2:25 PM

Actually, it's a horde of pink bats. They will spread gay through their bites.

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KajunFirefly
May 19, 2004 3:13 PM

If the guy was on his deathbed, I'm not sure he'd be able to bang his newly adopted son anyway.

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Zegota
May 19, 2004 3:40 PM

You have to adopt someone before you can bang 'em? No wonder I ain't getting any.

Who's up for adoption?

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AccentuateNegative
May 19, 2004 5:34 PM

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Actually, it's a horde of pink bats. They will spread gay through their bites.

Loose lips sink ships, DMSO. Lesbians too.

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Rabid_Weasle
May 19, 2004 6:06 PM

I heard that a Furry adopted his badger lover.

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choadwarrior
May 19, 2004 6:31 PM

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I heard that a Furry adopted his badger lover.

MUSHROOM! MUSHROOM!

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cynthialev
May 19, 2004 7:32 PM

I think I got the answer to my question(s). Thanks all for the replies.

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Rabid_Weasle
May 19, 2004 10:31 PM

I hope it wasn't me who answered his question...

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nicejohnson
May 20, 2004 9:07 AM

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I hope it wasn't me who answered his question...
rabid, we always come to you when we need answers to questions about gays. :D

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possums
May 20, 2004 1:40 PM

quote:
Open-Minded On Gays, Are You???

Yep.

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DMSO
May 20, 2004 5:37 PM

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Loose lips sink ships, DMSO. Lesbians too.

Loose lips sink lesbians?

Excellent...

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DragonXero
June 4, 2004 1:40 PM

I with you, guys. Damn lesbians, screwing up all my fun.

You guys rule though.

Out of purely selfish reasons, I think marriage for gay men should be legal, while marriage for lesbians should not!

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