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JESUSSANDWICH
September 30, 2004 4:54 PM

Fuck emo music!

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possums
September 30, 2004 5:08 PM

Hear hear.

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Rabid_Weasle
September 30, 2004 6:13 PM

Hell, let's all just fuck punk (aka: pop that pretends to not be pop) in general.

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Zaster
September 30, 2004 6:50 PM

quote:
Fuck emo music!
You make a very eloquent case. I will indeed fuck emo music.

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JESUSSANDWICH
September 30, 2004 6:51 PM

Nah lets just fuck emo.

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bunnerabb
September 30, 2004 10:11 PM

Nah.. lame shit, proto-punk, Vans Warped wannabe, "ironic" eighties covers suck, too.

Let's not just fuck emo, let's fuck the horse it rode in on.

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possums
September 30, 2004 10:17 PM

Bunnerabb has a large penis and dances the samba on Wednesdays.

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DragonXero
October 1, 2004 12:34 AM

Let's face it everyone. All the popular music on the radio and MTV today is pop.

New country isn't country. It's twangy pop.

New metal isn't metal. It's overly distorted boy band crap.

New punk isn't punk. It's Reggae pop with juvenile lyrics and a bunch of stupid 30 year olds who can't play an instrument.

Hell, even the rap has become homogonized and worthless. A bunch of "gangsters" talking about how much they want to kill, how much money they have, and how great it is to be a potsmoking gangster.

Even the traditional ideal of pop itself has been corrupted by the modern media.

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User #16352
October 1, 2004 4:46 AM

"WAAAAA! I'M A SAD EMO EMU!"

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Zaster
October 1, 2004 5:31 AM

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New punk isn't punk. It's Reggae pop with juvenile lyrics and a bunch of stupid 30 year olds who can't play an instrument.
Yeah, I can't stand all the "poppy punk" stuff I've been hearing on college radio the past few years. They all come off like shitty Green Day wanna-bes.

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jes_lawson
October 1, 2004 6:25 AM

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boorite
October 1, 2004 6:39 AM

Tickle me emo.

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MikeyG
October 1, 2004 7:17 AM

I fail to see a huge difference between bands like Papa Roach, Newfound Glory, and Jimmy Eat World. They all cart around tractor-trailer loads of suck. The worst of them all is Dashboard Confessional. They go to great, great lengths to ensure their 100% compliance with sucktitude. Never in my years of music appreciation and evaluation have I heard music so undeniably SHIT.

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biped
October 1, 2004 8:49 AM

Main Entry: 1punk
Pronunciation: 'p&[ng]k
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
4 a : PUNK ROCK b : an extremely snotty and hostile musician, often but not exclusively British, who takes pride in non-proficiency with musical instruments, vocal abilities, melody, or chart popularity; generally fond of spitting, gobbing, or bleeding all over fans in first three rows c : one who affects punk styles d : someone who is not Green Day or Avril Lavigne

fig.1

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JESUSSANDWICH
October 1, 2004 10:33 AM

Or GG Allin.

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areallystupidguy
October 1, 2004 1:39 PM

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Fuck emo music!

"Woohoo! Look at me! I'm expressing my emotions! OH BOY!"

Emo is stupid. That shit isn't fun to listen to. Whatever happened to catchy songs named after dance moves?

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Rabid_Weasle
October 1, 2004 3:39 PM

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Zaster
October 1, 2004 4:28 PM

Man, it's a shame to mess up such great tattoo work like that (cough).

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NooniePuuBunny
October 1, 2004 4:55 PM

quote:
generally fond of spitting, gobbing, or bleeding all over fans in first three rows


You forgot urinating.

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Matchbook_Romance
October 1, 2004 8:34 PM

Should I be in here?

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JESUSSANDWICH
October 1, 2004 9:15 PM

Yes.

We need an emo kids opinion.

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DragonXero
October 2, 2004 6:05 AM

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New punk isn't punk. It's Reggae pop with juvenile lyrics and a bunch of stupid 30 year olds who can't play an instrument.
Yeah, I can't stand all the "poppy punk" stuff I've been hearing on college radio the past few years. They all come off like shitty Green Day wanna-bes.


My thoughts exactly. When I first heard Blink 182 (former girlfriend was infatuated with the band), I thought "wow, these guys sound like Green Day infused with a lot of suck!"
These days, it's all about marketing. There was a time that punk was just about making loud, obnoxious music that 20 people in the world could stand listening to, but today, it's homogonized shit that tries to reach out to everyone under 25. It's either sad music dedicated to the artist's suffering (those evil marketing execs! They take out 20% of my income, now I only get $50,000,000 spending money!) or "partying". I don't have a problem with decent part music (Andrew WK is a perfect example). I do have a problem with punk music becoming party music for the general public, however.

Bah. Green Day used to be okay, but now it's a clone of bands that were created from it.

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xxausrottenxx
October 2, 2004 10:55 AM

whenever there's a soundoff of the punk rock greats like sid viscious, gg allin, joey ramones, etc.. people always leave out wattie (of the exploited). I think wattie was very influential in the early punk rock scene. Plus he looked like a bad ass

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ivytheplant
October 2, 2004 12:20 PM

Music today does indeed suck as a generality. There are a few bands who have skill and demonstrate said skill very well, but get drowned out by things like Metallica trying to be hip.

Proof of this:

One day my brother was rifling through my CDs and pulled out a Cinderella CD. He looked at the original release date and declared "This is old!" I did point out to him that not only was it released 4 years after he was born, but he constantly listens to Led Zeppelin.

Apparently that meant nothing to him other than all good music started in 1996. Over the years, he's migrated back and forth to bands that I like and some that made me want to tear my eyes out in horror. I'm just glad he's over his Limp Bizkit phase.

Oh yeah, I'm not quite sure what qualifiees as emo music, though there was that one song on my CD swap that someone said was emo. Though the only reason I like it is because of the main chorus "It's just an ordinary day/I'm much too strange for this ordinary world." Fits me perfectly. The rest of the song, not so much. I am neither a boy nor did I run through fields of clover. And the part about clowns makes me nervous.

Anyway, if that kind of music emo, then I don't necessarily hate it, but I find it boring and uninspired.

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UnknownEric
October 2, 2004 1:04 PM

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Apparently that meant nothing to him other than all good music started in 1996.
Amusingly, I could argue that good music DIED in 1996. It would be a lie, but I could build a fairly strong case... just like the Bush administration! ;)

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bunnerabb
October 2, 2004 5:33 PM

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There was a time that punk was just about making loud, obnoxious music that 20 people in the world could stand listening to, but today, it's homogonized shit that tries to reach out to everyone under 25.

You've just described the entire generational / marketing rollover paradigm for all rock and roll records, ever.

You've just outlined exactly how rock and roll is marketed, and has always been marketed, ever since the first dad yelled "Turn that fucking noise off!"

And if that hadn't happened, we'd all be listening to polkas.

So... I mean, if you only want to like music that 20 other people like and that's what makes it special to you, I suggest you spend your entire life with the same 20 people.

I mean, never mind that, eventually, one of you will yell "POSER!" at the other one....

It'll be the beginning of a new "genre" that only 19 other people will like, and it will only last a week.

: )

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DragonXero
October 2, 2004 11:19 PM

Rock was originally a blues-inspired music form. Its message never had anything to do with "not selling out". Popular rock bands were the norm from the start, with Elvis Presley paving that little road. Punk, on the other hand, was an underground, noncommercial form of rock. It was commercialized, and channged to be happier and annoyingly polished. Being good and getting well known because your music rocks is different from being well known because you're on heavy rotation on MTV.

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Rabid_Weasle
October 3, 2004 6:23 PM

It's turning the anti-pop into pop, but making everyone think they're still listening to the anti-pop.

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joshw
October 4, 2004 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by: Me, elsewhere

Emo is originally a sub-genre of Hardcore. Emo is actually a short way of saying "Emotive Hardcore". When it first started back in 1984, it was almost identical to DC hardcore except the lyrics were more emotion oriented, as opposed to hardcore lyrics being about society/politics. As time progressed, so did Emo, and revisions were made. There were bands like Indian summer, taking it in one direction, and bands like Heroin, taking it in the other. Indian Summer focused on the "Emotive" part, and Heroin focused on the "Hardcore" part, both were still emo, but now emo was a broader genre.

Emo is a type of music involving mostly screaming, with loud heavy distorted metal-like riffs, but also more complex. the guitar seems to almost be not in key most of the time, due to the complexity of some songs. When not screaming, words are spoken, not sung, to add an atmosphere of disfunction. This all takes place in verse. Singing can, and often does take place in chorus, though. Yaphet Kotto is a good example of a band that does that.

Most emo lyrics are about emotional things, such as suicides, depressions, relationships etc. Quite frequently imagery or personification is used, and that's when it's hard to determine the difference between Metalcore, Hardcore, or Emotive Hardcore. HORSE the band does that a lot.

When in the soft parts of songs, live emo bands play with their backs turned in to the audience. Lots of post-hardcore bands do the same, and more popular bands such as Thursday recreate this old emo tactic.

Emo songs can be short, under a minute long.. but still be played with the same complexity as 4 minute long songs. These are usually the very hard and fast ones. The softer, slower ones can get quite long(Indian Summer - Woolworm).

The most famous emo label is Level-Plane records

The best known, and probably most listened to emo artists are Saetia, You and I, Orchid, Indian Summer, Embrace , and Rites of Spring.

There are bands that aren't emo persae, yet a number of songs by them will seem emo. These are bands like Fugazi and Husker Du(the band credited for creating the first emo album ever).

People's assumption of what emo is is totally distorted from the original definition. This is due to the fact that there are very little emo records on cds, most are on rare vinyls that were never re-released.This is also because a lot of people think "Emo" is just short for "Emotional", which means any band could be emo, since all music is emotion driven.

People often mistake pop-punk bands such as Taking Back Sunday and brand new as emo when in fact they are merely pop-punk. Their lyrics may seem "emo" at times, but in reality they possess none of the qualities emo represents. There is nothing "Hardcore" about them.

The mass-media has made up a screamo genre by composing bands like vendetta red and poison the well, which are really just mall metal. The concept of screamo was to be "emo with screaming", but since emo already is mostly screaming, that would just be saying "screaming music with screaming" and that's pretty redundant. If screamo were a real genre, a band like Orchid would fit in.

Then people make the assumption that indie rock or indie punk bands such as Alkaline Trio or Bright Eyes are emo. This is also false.

Bands such as Dashboard Confessional, Rocky Volotalo and Homage To Catalonia are what is known as post-indie technically, or more simply, Acoustic Pop Ballads.


Moreonto the fact, a lot of the newer bands are gettin ginto really good instrumentals, so if you're interested check out Yaphet Kotto and Envy(envy has been described as a cross between Yaphet Kotto and Mogwai), though you won't understand Envy unless you speak Japanese.

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bunnerabb
October 4, 2004 1:40 PM

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Emo is a type of music involving mostly screaming, with loud heavy distorted metal-like riffs, but also more complex. the guitar seems to almost be not in key most of the time, due to the complexity of some songs. When not screaming, words are spoken, not sung, to add an atmosphere of disfunction. This all takes place in verse. Singing can, and often does take place in chorus, though.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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Rabid_Weasle
October 4, 2004 6:58 PM

So, it's like the student art film of music?

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Matchbook_Romance
October 4, 2004 7:00 PM

Music is music. You're a moron if you base your opinion on a music label.

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joshw
October 4, 2004 7:01 PM

I disagree.

The student art film of music are instrumental bands that have absolutely no direction or order and just sounds like a fat mess.

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biped
October 4, 2004 7:14 PM

There are too many separate rock music categories now. Someone does something with a slight variation on an old theme and it gets its own category, and it's just fucking stupid.

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M3t4
October 4, 2004 8:44 PM

I say we take all the different rock categories and combine them into one gigantic monster rock category than make a seperate rock category for the rock categories that wouldn't fit into the gigantic monster rock category. We will label these rock categories rock category one and rock category two.

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MikeyG
October 4, 2004 10:14 PM

I can't believe there are so many genres and sub-genres.

I want to murder everyone who helped make that possible.

It sounds completely like the yuppie tendency to label everything, put it in nice, neat little boxes and stack them properly.

That's why yuppies work, shop, and probably masturbate at stores like Crate & Barrel and The Container Store.

Fucking die, please.

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Rabid_Weasle
October 4, 2004 10:21 PM

Wanna go masterbate at the Crate and Barrel?

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bunnerabb
October 5, 2004 1:01 AM

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There are too many separate rock music categories now. Someone does something with a slight variation on an old theme and it gets its own category, and it's just fucking stupid.

I've been saying that major-created genres and sub-genres were a bloody joke for YEARS and people said I didn't know what I was talking about.

Welcome to the view from bunnerland.

If you only listen to one thing, you may as well not listen to anything.

There is no old school, there is no new skool there is only stuff you like, stuff you don't like and if you always eat from the same bowl on the table, you may not be getting your MDA of kick-ass, folks.

Listening to only post-thrash, cold-core, emo, speed, grunge doesn't make you a badass. It makes you a person with the artistic scope of a carpet stain.

You wanna impress me with your musical depth and eclectic tastes? Go and listen to about 4 greatest hits CD's from a variety of artists and genres.

If you turned off the CD player after three songs and started playing GTA3VC, never mind. Music isn't important to you, and you just need something to keep you occupied while you chew gum.

That's fine.

But shut the fuck up about music.

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joshw
October 5, 2004 10:24 AM

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I've been saying that major-created genres and sub-genres were a bloody joke for YEARS and people said I didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm going to assume you meant Major Labels, correct?

Because Emo was created by Dischord back in 1984, and back then, like now, they were not a Major Label.

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If you only listen to one thing, you may as well not listen to anything.

There is no old school, there is no new skool there is only stuff you like, stuff you don't like and if you always eat from the same bowl on the table, you may not be getting your MDA of kick-ass, folks.

Listening to only post-thrash, cold-core, emo, speed, grunge doesn't make you a badass. It makes you a person with the artistic scope of a carpet stain.



Why is it just because someone mentions genre, it automatically means they listen to just that particular genre? No, I don't listen just emo, in the same vein, I don't listen to all emo, I like maybe 15 bands, tops. I just happen to know what it is and where it came from, which is really a subject all on it's own.

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You wanna impress me with your musical depth and eclectic tastes? Go and listen to about 4 greatest hits CD's from a variety of artists and genres.

If you turned off the CD player after three songs and started playing GTA3VC, never mind. Music isn't important to you, and you just need something to keep you occupied while you chew gum.

That's fine.

But shut the fuck up about music.



Last night I fell asleep with Mogwai's "Tracy" playing through my guitar amplifier, yet 30 mintues prior to that I was cruising around town with my friends listening to "Freebird" on full volume.

Is it okay to sit around and insult what could be the favorite genre of some people, but as soon as someone comes in and starts to argue your point they automatically "don't appreciate music"? Is that correct? Because that's how you come off.

I take the first four cd's from my shelf. Four, like you said.

1st CD: Bloemfontein - The Longer Now
2nd CD: The Dire Straits - Very Best Of
3rd CD: Small Brown Bike - Dead Reckoning
4th CD: Hot Snakes - Automatic Midnight

Now, listen to at least one song by each band and then tell me they belong in the same genre.

Surprise. You're not the only one who likes music.

What I don't understand is why people always get in a bind when they found out they've been perpetrating a war against a genre that they have never even heard. And then, when someone tries to inform them, they'll disregard it because it doesn't fit to their agenda.

"Yeah! Emo sucks!"
"No, that's not Emo, this is."
"Well....genres are stupid anyway."

I'm not saying "don't hate emo", I'm saying "at least know emo" before you say you hate it.

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joshw
October 5, 2004 10:26 AM

Moreover onto the argument, I was never trying to impress you anyway. If all I've done with posting this is angered a few of the musically inclined folk here then so be it, but I'm willing to bet that at least one person who read that is double-taking their whole outlook on it.

"Hmm...maybe I was wrong."

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boorite
October 5, 2004 11:02 AM

If one more person says he likes everything but rap, I'm going to put on a CD of Burmese folk music. That should shut them the fuck up for a minute.

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joshw
October 5, 2004 11:13 AM

Same can be said for polka, I think.

I'm pretty sure no one actually enoys it, they're just humouring themselves.

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boorite
October 5, 2004 11:14 AM

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Welcome to the view from bunnerland.


OMG! I can't see my feet when I stand up!

:-D

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bunnerabb
October 5, 2004 11:26 AM

I did, indeed, mean major labels. Dischord is not a huge label, no. Label's started creating sub-genres and niche marketing way before Dischord got on the scene.

I never said YOU were trying to impress me, or that anybody was. That's called a "rhetorical construct."

Sub-genres are a wank, and they always will be.

Freebird is played out and you should never ride in that car again. (That's called light humour.)

Yelling "FREEBIRD" at cover band shows isn't ironic, either, folks. Stone played out.

"Emo", or any other crock of shit genre label is just another way of saying "You don't need talent, just a 'new' label to paste on the back of it. Somebody will buy the label."

That's simply my take on it. Nothing more. That was called "an objective opinion."

I don't know if I've ever heard any Burmese folk music, but I do like some rap, as well.

I would be willing to listen to some, though, before pronouncing it utter shit.

That's called irony.

There is something to be said, IMHO, for hit records and what makes them hit records. I don't give a shit about the pre-fab, titty/butt, auto-tuned diva brigade
and I really don't give a fuck about multi-hyphenated "This is so cool only four people are into it!", Indy Pete approach to hipness, either.

I like hit records.

We need more of them.

Hit records, I have empirically noted, usually become hit records because a whole lot of people like them and are willing to slap down some cash to own a copy of the song.

Greed and lazyness fucked that up pretty good.

I want to boot out the idiots and get the machine back in working order so that talented artists, good producers and AE's, and music fans can all get back to the business of being happy.

The only way that can happen is for record labels to remove their heads from their collective rectums and stop trying to gank people with a 14.99 bill for one hit song in a sea of shit by an artist that couldn't get arrested if they weren't being flogged as either a (F) whore or a (M) badass.

They also have to start using internet distribution.

Duh.

So bring on the "emo", bring on the asscrack jeans bitches, hell... bring on the Burmese folk music.

CAUTION RHETORICAL STATEMENTS AHEAD:

1): But don't tell me what's good, and why. I will happily return the favour.

2): Pay for music if you like it.

3): Listen to everything before you pronounce it "cool" or "shit".

4): Don't try and sell me on the idea that shit is champagne because of it's genre pedigree. Nothing will ever replace notes, melody, and on key singing in music. Nor should it. A hundred years after we're all dead, SOMEBODY, somewhere will load a device into another device, and that device will play a Frank Sinatra song, and that person will say "Sonofabitch. This guy can sing."

YMMV.

And yes, I can see my feet, Boo. I'm a middle aged fat bastard, but I'm not THAT fat.

You cunt. :-)#)

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MikeyG
October 5, 2004 4:37 PM

Green Day SUCKS. I hate Green Day. But they have a few good songs.

Dave Matthews SUCKS. I hate Dave Matthews. But he's got at least one good song I like.

The only generalization I can honestly make is that MOST NEW MUSIC IS SHIT.

As for what bunner is saying, most pop music now has so much more manufactured content than it had in, say, the 60's. The Beatles wrote their own music, but they're considered one of the first MAJOR pop bands. Jennifer Lopez had a team of 17 writers and producers to make her first album.

I rest my case.

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bunnerabb
October 5, 2004 5:54 PM

Not to mention about three or four Alsihas editing the living piss out of everything she does in Pro Tools HD Accel - to the point where there's not much left of what was actually played or sung - and people "straightening out" the beats with Beat Detective and dropping in samples they actually want to use with Drumagog until the original drum tracks are nothing but a click and a reference, using Auto Tune to correct the pitch of every note and alter and time stretch the phrasing until she might as well be a robot and lots of drop in edits to substitute the "best" phrase sample for the ones that weren't quite "perfect"....

Pop songs have always been manufactured, but they've pretty much thrown out the baby with the bathwater with Pro Tools.

I don't evne think they NEED J Lo anymore... Or anybody.

Just some samples, an amp farm, some soft synths, a MIDI workstation and voila.. hit record.

I mean, if you -like- listening to the same meaningless ooh and ah, computerised, "oooh baybee baybee" shit over and over with a different face on the CD insert.

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Enderandrew
October 5, 2004 6:18 PM

Any form of art is subjective.

It's hard to build strong arguements in general that one genre of art is "bad", while another is inherently "good".

Personally, I can't stand mainstream radio, pop, or rap music 99% of the time.

I can't say that I don't own any "pop" CD's. I certainly own a lot of Beatles records, and occassionally there is a pop artist I enjoy (like say, Fiona Apple).

It should be noted that I got a demo of the Tidal CD years and years ago. I've found that often, an artist is poorly represented by music videos, or the singles that radio stations play.

I don't completely write off an entire artist of genre off a single. I can't count how often a band seems coerced to do a single to make radio stations happy, when the rest of the album sounds NOTHING like said single.

Personally, I get bothered by elitism just as much as I get bothered by sheep who listen to Boy Bands and the like.

My CD collection doesn't have a theme, or genre running through it. There's ska, indie, alternative, classical, rock, pop, and industrial dominating in parts, but you'll find an album here of there that will surprise people.

I think most music lovers have collections that are fairly diverse. I won't berate someone for buying an album because they sincerely like it.

I look down on people who have very narrow tastes and views on music, be it from elitism or conformity. (Is there really a difference?)

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NooniePuuBunny
October 5, 2004 8:20 PM

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The only generalization I can honestly make is that MOST NEW MUSIC IS SHIT.

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biped
October 5, 2004 8:44 PM

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My CD collection doesn't have a theme, or genre running through it.

My CD collection has a sparkling mountain stream running through it, just like in the Coors commercials.

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I look down on people who have very narrow tastes and views on music, be it from elitism or conformity.

I look down on people whose musical tastes don't strictly conform to mine.

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bunnerabb
October 5, 2004 8:57 PM

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I've found that often, an artist is poorly represented by music videos, or the singles that radio stations play.

The hell you say.

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I look down on people who have very narrow tastes and views on music, be it from elitism or conformity.

That's a form of elitism.

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(Is there really a difference?)

Yes.

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