"Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
CBS promote the Clash,
But it ain't for revolution, it's just for cash.
Punk became a fashion just like hippy used to be
And it ain't got a thing to do with you or me.

Movements are systems and systems kill.
Movements are expressions of the public will.
Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost,
But the leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost.
Punk narcissism was social napalm,
Steve Jones started doing real harm.
Preaching revolution, anarchy and change
As he sucked from the system that had given him his name.

Well I'm tired of staring through shit stained glass,
Tired of staring up a superstars arse,
I've got an arse and crap and a name,
I'm just waiting for my fifteen minutes fame.
Steve Jones you're napalm,
If you're so pretty (vacant) why do you swarm?
Patti Smith you're napalm,
You write with your hand but it's Rimbaud's arm.

And me, yes I, do I want to burn?
Is there something I can learn?
Do I need a business man to promote my angle?
Can I resist the carrots that fame and fortune dangle?
I see the velvet zippies in their bondage gear,
The social elite with safety-pins in their ear,
I watch and understand that it don't mean a thing,
The scorpions might attack, but the systems stole the sting.

PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD."

-Crass

Well this song was written in the early eighties. The punk movement rebuilt itself but now this song is true once again.

Good. Punk sucked anyway. Except for a couple of songs from the eighties.

The only punk rock I ever liked was Wendy O. Williams' tits.

Can't stuff like this just stay in one thread?

Punk was designed to self-destruct. That was the whole point.

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Punk was designed to self-destruct. That was the whole point.

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Punk rock as an artform of rebellion/liberation may be dead, but the spirit of punk has been passed down through the ages. The torch was passed from punk to post-punk to hip-hop to speed metal to C86 to acid house to "lo-fi" and so on and so on. Those folks sitting in their bedrooms with a beat-up guitar, old keyboard and a ripped copy of Pro Tools are carriers of the same spirit that overtook The Buzzcocks, The Germs, Crass, etc.

"Punk" is dead, long live punk.

Ooooh, the Germs. It's too bad I never really liked Pat Smear. Although I GUESS he lent Nirvana some "punk" cred.

Punk stunk, now it's junk.

It's true -- Punk is dead, man.
Actually, that's a little melodramatic. Two of the Ramones and a Sex Pistol are dead.

These days punk involves riding a skateboard, smoking weed and calling Bush silly.

Yeah... Johnny Rotten must be so proud.

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The torch was passed from punk to post-punk to hip-hop to speed metal to C86 to acid house to "lo-fi" and so on and so on.

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Nonconformist, breakthrough music with a flair for noise and revolution will always exist.

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Not if we all get slaughtered by brain-eating zombies.

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Not if we all get slaughtered by brain-eating zombies.

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I agree with this statement. Especialy since this is brain-eating zombie season.

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It's true -- Punk is dead, man.
Actually, that's a little melodramatic. Two of the Ramones and a Sex Pistol are dead.

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The torch was passed from punk to post-punk to hip-hop to speed metal to C86 to acid house to "lo-fi" and so on and so on.

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Speed and Thrash metal are barely removed from hardcore punk. Sit down and have a listen to Exodus and DRI, you'll see what I mean. Technically, Exodus is thrash metal, but there's little difference between the three really. One could say true punk evolved into many forms. In some cases, underground hip-hop, extreme metal (hardcore punk became thrash/speed, which in turn evolved into death/grind and black metal) and even nonconventional antisocial music (specific examples are hard to cite, as they're usually pretty obscure. Keeps with the punk lineage well). All forms of punk are getting watered down and distorted into less agreeable, more commercial forms. Today we have skater punk crap, mallcore garbage (a bastard child of hardcore punk and its illegitimate child, death metal), and gangster rap. Even some forms of real metal are devolving into commercial tripe (have a look at metallica). I think the spirit of punk music existed before the musical part, and will always exist. Nonconformist, breakthrough music with a flair for noise and revolution will always exist.

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Punk rock as an artform of rebellion/liberation may be dead, but the spirit of punk has been passed down through the ages. The torch was passed from punk to post-punk to hip-hop to speed metal to C86 to acid house to "lo-fi" and so on and so on.

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One could say true punk evolved into many forms. In some cases, underground hip-hop, extreme metal (hardcore punk became thrash/speed, which in turn evolved into death/grind and black metal) and even nonconventional antisocial music (specific examples are hard to cite, as they're usually pretty obscure.

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Punk into hip-hop? When and where did punk evolve into underground hip-hop and have a hand in the rebellious nature of hip-hop?

i fancy Morbid Angel

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Punk into hip-hop? When and where did punk evolve into underground hip-hop and have a hand in the rebellious nature of hip-hop?

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I think Spoonie Gee was listening to nothing but Sham 69 records.

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It's less of an evolution and more of a "same spirit, different environs." Punk rock was the folk music of young, frustrated, white British kids and hip-hop was the folk music of young black New Yorkers.

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Punk rock was the folk music of young, frustrated, white British kids and hip-hop was the folk music of young black New Yorkers.

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You know, instead of participating in this thread, we could have all just gone somewhere and barfed.

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You know, instead of participating in this thread, we could have all just gone somewhere and barfed.

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Punk into hip-hop? When and where did punk evolve into underground hip-hop and have a hand in the rebellious nature of hip-hop?

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It's less of an evolution and more of a "same spirit, different environs." Punk rock was the folk music of young, frustrated, white British kids and hip-hop was the folk music of young black New Yorkers. They both evolved fairly organically and had the same independent spirit. But I don't think Spoonie Gee was listening to Sham 69 records or anything...

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No one started it all. A bunch of people just started doing it.