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BigFrank105
February 21, 2005 12:39 PM

Whenever me and areallystupid guy talk it always goes to our differing feelings on hip hop music. I love hip hop personally, but I find some of it annoying (i.e. Lil' Jon and Eminem) but others pretty good (i.e. 2pac and Jay-Z). What do you think?

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Rabid_Weasle
February 21, 2005 1:18 PM

Shit.

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User #43420
February 21, 2005 1:30 PM

it's o.k it dosen't take much skill but it's o.k

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ftc
February 21, 2005 2:20 PM

I don't think it lacks skill but it just doesn't float my boat.

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User #43420
February 21, 2005 3:19 PM

sure it lacks skill I could rap:

yo yo yo a girl sucked my ****
Then my mom came in
it was like a horror flick

o.k that sucked but it came off the top of my head

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JESUSSANDWICH
February 21, 2005 3:28 PM

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BobRogers
February 21, 2005 3:30 PM

Rap=cheap poetry spawned from inferior education.

Rap requires smart people to "dummy down" and requires the same of morons.

On a musical scale of 1-10 it is a 1.5, roughly akin to nude hubcap banging.

From an entertainment standpoint, grass growing has more value.

If half of all rappers shot the other half dead and then went to prison, the problem would only be half solved.

Rap Sucks.

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BigFrank105
February 21, 2005 4:07 PM

Nude hubcap banging is the #3 sport in the Republic of Tunisia.

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holycrap
February 21, 2005 4:15 PM

I Hate rap. Lars Urlich could kick eminem's candy ass day, any time, any where! Rap blows, rap suck, and rap swollows!!!!

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User #43420
February 21, 2005 4:38 PM

what the hell are you guys talking about and bobrogers I have no Idea what you said

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Inflatable_Man
February 21, 2005 7:40 PM

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Rap=cheap poetry spawned from inferior education.

Rap requires smart people to "dummy down" and requires the same of morons.


Gee, thanks for the music lesson, teach... Let's laugh at those silly negroes and their inferior education and "hip-hop". Everyone listen closely since Bob here is such a bastion of talent.

The truth is rappers like 2Pac had more talent in his left testicle than you have in your whole pathetic body. Hip-hop isn't my favorite genre by far, but I definitely have respect for the skill involved, and to hear an ignorant, down-syndrome case like you dis it... well, it wasn't going to go unanswered.

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BigFrank105
February 21, 2005 7:44 PM

Thank you, Inflate, for sticking up for hip-hop from a mature point of view. Most rappers grew up as gangsters and smoked pot and drank, thats why they rap about it. I mean, I've heard some weird rap songs and some weird rock songs too (Brown Sugar by the Stones, anyone). Singers or Rappers do whatever kind of songs they feel like. Not all African Americans act like a sterotypical rapper and to certain black people, the songs are quite moving to them. And as for 2pac, he was more of poet instead of a "yo yo yo all my bitches and hoz". Listen to his song "Changes", its one of the greatest songs I've ever heard.

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DragonXero
February 21, 2005 8:03 PM

I can't stand rap. I'd rather listen to someone scraping fingernails on a chalkboard. I despise the use of good songs as fodder for rap samples.

Other than that, fuck, listen to whatever you want. See if I give a shit. But if you pull up next to me rumbling my fucking car with Jay-Z or some shit and you're white and your car is Japanese, I'm going to go Viking on your ass. TURN THE SHITTY MUSIC DOWN ASSHOLES.

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areallystupidguy
February 21, 2005 8:04 PM

Well, rap just isn't my thing. It does need talent to create, contrary to popular belief. And, like every other musical genre in existence, it has been ruined by the current times and the stupid public who is willing to support mediocrity. Rap used to be good. That was back in the good old days when "bling bling" wasn't even a word and rappers rapped about things BESIDES smacking up da bitchezzz in their hood. Rap was about soul and feelings, much like the blues and R&B.

It's not my thing, not even the old stuff, but i do acknowledge that it is some people's thing, for legitimate reasons.

Although there is no legitimate reason to like shitty current rap, mainly because it blows.

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Inflatable_Man
February 21, 2005 8:13 PM

I agree that rap, just like rock I'll remind you, is in a really horrendous state right now. A lot of crap is coming out. Lil' Jon is the hip-hop antichrist, 50 Cent should have been shot ten times instead of nine and the Beastie Boys, Snoop, Eminem, etc have all either sold out or are just way past their prime.

I strongly disagree with what DX implied about white people playing rap music, however. I'm white, I play it occasionally... and oh, I happen to have a Japanese car as well. So the fuck what? I'll play whatever music I want in my car.

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xxausrottenxx
February 21, 2005 10:07 PM

two words: jurrasic 5.

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MikeyG
February 22, 2005 6:34 AM

I used to hate rap because I thought there was nothing to it. Have YOU ever tried to freestyle? Have you ever tried to wrap your rhymes to a beat? There's a lot of rap that sucks, but then again there's a lot of everything that sucks. Dead Prez is by far one of the best rap groups out there, and they're blazingly intelligent. Hell, Eminem is commercialized and hyped-up and overmarketed, but no one can match their lyrics to a beat like that guy. He may be just a white boy, but he's got a real talent.

Saying rap is born from uneducated poets was meant durogatorily, but it's only slightly accurate. Uneducated in terms of actual schooling, perhaps, but the best education I've ever received is on my own. Some of these people learned things the hard way and learned more than most of us here in certain areas. Dismissing a genre (other than country music) on the basis of even the majority of its representatives is irresponsible at best.

Rap has become like any other area of music in that there are a LOT of pretenders and not a whole lot of talent. But there IS talent. I'm not entirely sure why people think Jay-Z has it, but maybe I'm missing something.

As for the guy who said Lars Ulrich can kick someone's ass, the only ass Lars Ulrich can kick is Napster's, and that was with a lot of legal help. Lars Ulrich is a pretentious, whining little fucking pussy who really deserves every slap and punch and kick James Hedfield has given him over the years. He's a maniacal little shit and I would love to have a conversation with him, just so I can end it by beating his face in. I'm not fond of Metallica at all, but Lars Ulrich is a cancer. I hope he catches on fire like Jimmy did, reeeeeal soon.

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dcomposed
February 22, 2005 7:39 AM

When I saw this thread I thought I had an opportunity to discuss one of two things I care enough about to be able to, then I read the replies. I am not going to waste my time with this bullshit.

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Inflatable_Man
February 22, 2005 7:57 AM

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When I saw this thread I thought I had an opportunity to discuss one of two things I care enough about to be able to, then I read the replies. I am not going to waste my time with this bullshit.

Get over yourself.

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PhreakyChinchilla
February 22, 2005 9:03 AM

I enjoy "Rap" music, but is isn't really "Rap" anymore, is it? You have Hip-Hop & R&b and all that other bullshit that they call it. I like it. The "uneducated" views you get from the music would be your own fault. Many of the people who flow speak from the heart just as the Beatles did or even Eric Clapton(for you fucking hippies out there). Music has evolved and some people haven't accepted that. Rap is the music the kids listen to today, no different than the Folk music era or the Metal era of the 80s. Jay-Z is a mastermind, in producing and in rapping. I have recently heard the Dead Prez and they actually have something to say. I liked them and I wasn't sure that I would.

In any case, of course there are going to be terrible, shitty rappers just like their are terrible, shitty singers (Hello Kelly Clarkson and Ryan Cabrera). Ja Rule sucks, he does what he is told by "Murder Inc". Fat Joe is another one with his "Terror Squad". THAT I hate.

I miss Biggie. Rap is good. Rap with a message is even better. Are you even really listening?

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EvilZak
February 22, 2005 9:05 AM

Dcom likes rap? Man he must be a trendy poser faggot! He must suck dick because rap sucks dick and so does everyone who likes it! Rapping is so easy that my dead dog can do it! Fucking poser faggots!

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80_Million_Fleas
February 22, 2005 10:26 AM

While I'm not utter expert on rap/hip hop/whatever, I've listen to quiet a few selections of it. I can tell you that like Rock, no two rap categories are alike. That would be comparing punk with say metal. o.o;

[For simplisity sake, I'm categorizing different kinds of rap in chronological order, starting with the earliest. Also, some names may not be accurately portrayed. ...and for the last time, I'm NOT an expert! This is just my insight, from what I've heard over the years.]

(1) "Funkidelic Hip-Hop" (think Sugar Hill Gang)
This is pretty much a kickin' category of rap. One of the earliest, and still pretty good. It's got a nice flow, a nice beat to it. Since rap was just forming, their was no real 'attitude' attached to it yet. This scene is all but dead (though, Snoop Dogg did something for "Undercover Brother", I think... that would fall into this category... roughly.).

(2) Classic Rap (think Public Enemy, Run DMC)
Ahh... The classic. When squares in business suits try to bust out rhymes, this is the stuff they go for. If you don't know if you're listening to classic rap... Check for a long, high pitch noise, 'breaking words' or scratch tatics. This stuff was good, though it gets boring (becausethe same, short ass beat was repeated over and over again) or the high pitch noise takes you away from the rhymes and more to it's annoyingness. This rap started in the late 80's and ended by 94. Of course, there's sub-categories to this, but I don't wanna get into them. I'm lazy.

(3) Gangsta (think NWA, Dr. Dre, 2pac, BIG)
Now here's something nice. Hardcore, violent and blunt as a candle stick to the back of the head. When people complain about rap being too violent or degorgitory toward women... The examples usually come from here. It's got a lot of sweet sounds and the rhymes was kickin', but damn if it didn't get repedtive with the same theme of hoes and violence. Of course, there's songs that tryed something new.. but.. my minds drawling drawling a blank.

(4) Contemporary Rap
Unless you're Ludacris, DMX or Twista... You probably suck! Expecially you, Snoop Doggy HAS BEEN. (I kid.. There's more rappers that are good, but I can't think of them.) If you want an example, turn on the radio. Boom. 50 Cent is also alright, but everyone wore him out way too quick.

Sidenotes:

[White Rappers] I do think it's possible to have a good one. Too bad 'big business' doesn't. Vanilla Ice is a one-hit lying wonder. Eminem had to crack into the industry by being a jokester and still relies on humor and sillyness (see all of his singles), even though some of his more serious songs are a lot better than the 'joke' songs. ICP isn't rap.. It's a bad joke that won't die.

[Little Jon and the East Side Boyz] WHAT?! Sorry.. bad joke. His voice can get on my nerves, but anyone that can turn 'Crazy Train' into a beat for a rap song needs a hug.

[Bitches, Gangs, Bling, Hoes: the Dark of Rap] What we see too often from Gangsta rap on is this 'ghetto' theme of hardlife and rather rapping about change, must rappers lay out rhymes about being tough, etc. Now, one would instantly think about jumping on the consertive bandwagon and dissing them. Thing is, we're not analyzing the true nature of this phenom.

To simply put it, what sells is being tough. This has been obvious since the 70's. You see this in rock. You see even in country. The same is true for rap. It appels to the needs of the stereotypical man. Of being tough, of being hardcore and of being different. Songs about other things like social awareness don't sell because people are retards and they can't wrap their mind around a subject of that nature.

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In summary: Rap/Hip Hop is good (to me, at least) when done right and there's something it has to say or when I just wanna feel tough. It's still not as good as Punk, though.

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MikeyG
February 22, 2005 10:55 AM

Man, can we PLEASE stop supercategorizing things? We've let Yuppies and their neat little methods of segregating EVERYFUCKINGTHING into neat little compartments (do you ever wonder why The Container Store, IKEA, and Crate & Barrel are so popular among yuppies?) according to what sounds like and looks like and feels like WHATEVER.

Christ, rap, hip-hop, whatever. There was old school rap/hip-hop and new shit. A lot of it is too gangsta and nonsensical and really superficial to me, but it's still rap. A lot of music sucks. It's still music. Except for Pop Music. Nearly anything on TRL isn't music.

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KajunFirefly
February 22, 2005 11:13 AM

If you haven't listened to "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" by the Wu-Tang Clan, you should be banned from talking about rap music.

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PhreakyChinchilla
February 22, 2005 11:33 AM

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If you haven't listened to "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" by the Wu-Tang Clan, you should be banned from talking about rap music.

amen.

signed,
The Yuppie who shops at IKEA

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xxausrottenxx
February 22, 2005 12:22 PM

rap died with big baby jesus

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BigFrank105
February 22, 2005 1:36 PM

I'm one of those kids that rolls down the road in my Mercury Mountaineer with with the volume and bass turned up beyond belief. I know over 75% you hate me now.

Bling bling!

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DragonXero
February 22, 2005 7:28 PM

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I strongly disagree with what DX implied about white people playing rap music, however. I'm white, I play it occasionally... and oh, I happen to have a Japanese car as well. So the fuck what? I'll play whatever music I want in my car.

Play what you want, I don't want to fucking hear it. I do not like rap. And if I can hear your rap over my metal, you need to turn it the fuck down.

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areallystupidguy
February 22, 2005 8:30 PM

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Man, can we PLEASE stop supercategorizing things? We've let Yuppies and their neat little methods of segregating EVERYFUCKINGTHING into neat little compartments (do you ever wonder why The Container Store, IKEA, and Crate & Barrel are so popular among yuppies?) according to what sounds like and looks like and feels like WHATEVER.

True. Music doesn't need to be categorized so badly. When it all comes down to it there's just two genres: rhythm and rock. It's fast, it's efficient. No guesswork. Just good old American know-how.

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umfumdisi
February 23, 2005 12:04 AM

dcom probably knows more about rap than all of you guys put together. I don't blame him for neither wanting nor having the desire to correct some of the ignorance displayed herein.

Why is everyone showing off their gmail accounts? I don't get it.
umfumdisi@gmail.com

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pita
February 23, 2005 1:34 AM

"Rap" and "Music" don't belong in a sentence together.
(Just my thoughts)

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BigFrank105
February 23, 2005 5:17 AM

Whats the big deal with gmail?

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PhreakyChinchilla
February 23, 2005 5:45 AM

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dcom probably knows more about rap than all of you guys put together. I don't blame him for neither wanting nor having the desire to correct some of the ignorance displayed herein.

Why is everyone showing off their gmail accounts? I don't get it.
umfumdisi@gmail.com



I DON'T have a gmail account. Does that make me a rebel? Ooooo..can I be a rebel? Can I? Can I?

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MikeyG
February 23, 2005 6:23 AM

dcom does know more about rap than any of us. I usually like talking to him about rap because he likes a lot of good stuff and he knows where the crap is.

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Inflatable_Man
February 23, 2005 9:48 AM

I had a gmail account and I forgot the password... :-(

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DragonXero
February 23, 2005 7:30 PM

I personally like categorization. I've got fairly distinct tastes. If I pick up something labeled "metal" I don't want to hear someone rapping. Simple as that.

On a side note... I know few people my age give much of a damn, but I'm really really tired of hearing new "country" and it sounds like Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys singing. Am I the only one who wishes country music still sounded like it was being sung by... I dunno.. cowboys?

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BigFrank105
February 23, 2005 7:45 PM

Now that country has become the new "in", it will be destroyed. I hate country because of that. Stuff like Toby Keith or Tim McGraw is OKAY at best, but all the popular preps at my school love country and try to shove it down my throat.

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Inflatable_Man
February 23, 2005 8:00 PM

Now see, DX... If we were parked at a traffic light and you were blasting some hillbilly country, I would react the same way you would towards rap. :)

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kramer_vs_kramer
February 24, 2005 2:28 AM

I don't understand how anyone can be so vehemently against an entire type of music. There is good hip hop and bad hip hop, just like there is good rock and bad rock. You can't discount the entire genre as "talentless" based on the stuff that filters through to MTV, just as you can't write off punk after only being exposed to Good Charlotte and Blink 182.

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DragonXero
February 24, 2005 4:32 AM

Can I just not like something?

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BigFrank105
February 24, 2005 5:33 AM

Well, we can't like everything. I can't stand country but I can be okay with it as long as other people aren't forcing me to listen to it. Then there's the "hardcore emo" that hate every single genre of music except their own and make it their life's work to destroy all the people who dislike emo. Emo kids annoy me... in their damn tight leather pants.

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PhreakyChinchilla
February 24, 2005 6:22 AM

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I don't understand how anyone can be so vehemently against an entire type of music. There is good hip hop and bad hip hop, just like there is good rock and bad rock. You can't discount the entire genre as "talentless" based on the stuff that filters through to MTV, just as you can't write off punk after only being exposed to Good Charlotte and Blink 182.

Amen to the Punk thing. Punk is my FAVORITE genre of music and has been for a really long time before these assholes came and ruined it on MTV.

Sidenote: If JESUSSANDWICH gets me a gmail account I might reconsider the marriage.

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JESUSSANDWICH
February 24, 2005 1:04 PM

Give me your email. I have only a few invites left but i would do anything for you baby.

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areallystupidguy
February 24, 2005 3:48 PM

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Now that country has become the new "in", it will be destroyed. I hate country because of that. Stuff like Toby Keith or Tim McGraw is OKAY at best, but all the popular preps at my school love country and try to shove it down my throat.

Toby Keith is currently the funniest name in America. It's a combination of Toby and Keith. As soon as I name my child Toby Madison, he will be defeated though.

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niteowl
February 25, 2005 5:18 AM

I hate rap.

And no, I'm not going to give it a chance. Any idiot with vocal cords can mumble into a microphone. Case in point: American Idol.

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MikeyG
February 25, 2005 6:19 AM

Toby Keith? The guy is a walking stereotype of American idiocy.

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mmyers
February 25, 2005 10:07 AM

I love hip-hop. That's my opinion on it. It's not all great, in fact, a lot of it is down right terrible, but when done well, it's brilliant.

I'm a little overwhelmed by some of the views toward hiphop, but I'll do my best not to ramble.

I find it funny when people say that it's not music because I wonder what they consider music to be. Is it because they're not singing? Is that what qualifies for music? If that's the case then Leonard Cohen isn't music. Is it because they sometimes use music done by other people? If that's the case, Patsy Cline isn't music because she never wrote her own songs or jazz isn't music because it borrows from other material so often. Often I hear people say "Rap isn't music because everything is sampled" and "they don't play their own instruments" at which point I think they're an ignorant ass because they must have listened to Puff Daddy and thought, "Yep, that's rap. I'm never going to listen to it again". I'll admit rap is rhythmic poetry over a beat but that's not a far stretch from so called "music" anyway.

Admittedly, rap in the 80s and early 90s was more "sample saturated" and relied more heavily on stolen beats to create its core, but I don't find that to be the case these days.

I'll tell you a little hint I've learned about good music of every genre: It's probably not going to be on the radio. You've got to dig for it. Unfortunately, most people are too lazy or apathetic to do that. So just because you've flipped on the R-n-B station once and didn't like what you heard

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DragonXero
February 25, 2005 10:19 AM

Let me explain. I like guitars. I like orchestras. I like musicians who play instruments. Most of all, I like some sort of tone in vocals most of the time. Granted, there is some metal that relies primarily on atonal vocals, but that is not the majority. I've heard several types of rap music, and have yet to hear anything that makes me want to listen to it. Most of the time I hear rap, all I get is some guy mumbling and an obnoxious, repetitve bass drum.

Sure, that may not be all it is, but I stil do not like rap.

And another thing, I don't drive around blaring *any* type of music (let along country). And even when I listen to my music loud, I make sure I get the full range, unlike these 17 year old wannabe gangsters who spend mom and dad's money on a sound system so they can annoy the entire world with pop bullshit.

The people who listen to the "good" rap are usually also the ones who don't bother others with it. The ones who blare shit listen to whatever's on the radio or MTV.

Though I did hear someone "bumping" Prince once. That was pretty sweet. Funny, but sweet.

And once in a great while I hear someone blasting some good rock music. *gasp* Usually you can hear the words when rock music is blasted!

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MikeyG
February 25, 2005 11:14 AM

I don't care what anybody says. There's something pretty awesome about crankin up the base on your system and blasting Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message". I don't particularly like it when some jackass with his giant system rolls by real slow with his windows down, cranking out Beanie Siegel or ANYTHING from the Cash Money Crew. Most of that stuff is just garbage. But you've got to laugh, because everyone in that car has got their head out the window as they drive real slow. Not just because they want to give you a nasty look as they cruise by you, but mostly because the music is too fucking loud for them to stand it inside.

I like guitars, I like great vocals, but I also really like the furious pace which somebody like Dead Prez slaps down over some really fucking wicked drums. Not all rap is just drum beats, either. There's a lot of actual music in there. Some really good rap is basically techno with some sweet rhymes over it. And by no means is Puff Daddy typical of the genre. There are a lot of things like his shit, but it's still shit. All the stereotypes of rap being oversampled, unoriginal, toneless, full of lame rhymes, and about stupid shit mostly come from that horrible motherfucker. Busta Rhymes used to be pretty good and original, with a different sound and some crazy lyrics. He hooks up with Puff Daddy and turns to assvomit.

DragonXero will probably never really like rap music. But it IS music, and there's a lot of it good enough to be classified as such. I find it hard to call anything music when it's superproduced and ultraedited and worked on by teams of barely musically literate industry cunts. Like anything by Christina Britney Jessica Kelly Mandy Lopez.

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umfumdisi
February 25, 2005 9:58 PM

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Though I did hear someone "bumping" Prince once.

That was Appolonia Kotero in Purple Rain.

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