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choadwarrior
May 4, 2005 9:15 PM

I sorta threw in some turmoil into Pita's "Miss Y'all" thread in GD, and I'm sorry about that. Let's talk about fat people and eating habits here instead. Okay. Me first.

Kajun and I are on the same page--the difference is I have had a weight problem, so I approach this debate with the same perspective ex-smokers have about smoking...yewwwww!

Having been seriously overweight for all of my twenties, it kills me to now look back at pictures of me during that time. I never thought my weight was due to anything but my own eating habits, though. When I finally made a conscious decision to get healthy, I stopped eating meals high in fat and calories and started moving more. My original goal was to lose 20 pounds...that was 70 pounds ago. I've been on a plateau for a few years now, but I'm starting to lose again, and if things go well, I should be at my ideal weight by the end of this year.

I know a few other people who lost weight the same way I did, and we all have the same outlook on both unhealthy eaters and fad dieters. We look at overweight people stuffing their pie holes with...um...pie and other garbage and shake our heads (especially when they blame their genetics for their weight). We listen to fad dieters talk about this diet or that one and know that they'll have short term gains but ultimately gain it back when they give up the impossible eating plan. Since I changed my eating habits, I've noticed changes in my taste--high fat or high sugar foods no longer taste good to me, but there is no food that is absolutely off limits. I eat the same food the fatties are eating, just not as much or as often.

I look at the rising cost of health care coupled with the rising rates of obesity in the U.S. and I think health insurance rates should be based on weight. Establish a height/weight baseline and give discounts to people within acceptable limits and charge extra for people outside healthy limits (on both ends). You want to motivate people to eat better and exercise--hit them in their wallets.

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fuzzyman
May 5, 2005 3:11 AM

I was an exceedingly skinny kid growing up, and didn't really need to watch my weight until my early 30's, when i started packing on the pounds. Let's hear it for a slowing metabolism. Unfortunately, growing up naturally scrawny worked against me at this point -- I had no habits in terms of exercize, eating healthy, portion control, and so on.

A couple of years ago I tried Atkins. I dropped 47 pounds over the course of a year, and was 25 pounds away from my college-graduation weight. My cholesterol was better, I had more energy, had cut back on caffiene significantly, and fewer stomach problems.

Part of this, I'm sure, was due to changes that went along with the diet. I ate in between meals much less, I'd consume no non-nutritional carbs (drinking whiskey instead of beer, yay).

I gained much of the weight back during that year my mother was dying, where I didn't give a shit and ate everything in sight, including plenty of ice cream. My weight is on it's way back down again, on Atkins and coupled with plenty of exercize.

My own take on Atkins steers away from high-fat where I can. Lots of turkey, chicken, and fish, and making sure there enough vegatables in my diet every day.

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not_Scyess
May 5, 2005 7:32 AM

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My own take on Atkins steers away from high-fat where I can. Lots of turkey, chicken, and fish, and making sure there enough vegatables in my diet every day.

The problem with the Atkins diet is that while it helps people lose weight, it's also exceedingly bad for you at the same time. It looks like you've gotten around that. What you're doing isn't really the Atkins diet anymore... it's the "eating less and exercising" diet choad was talking about.

The reason fad diets last -- and the reason why some people swear they work while others insist they're fruitless -- is that they work for some people and not others.

A study I heard on NPR compared Weight Watchers, Atkins, and two other diets I'd never heard of. They determined that some of them worked better for some people than others. But the #1 finding -- certain way outside the margin of error -- was that the people who lost the most weight were the ones who actually stuck to whatever diet they were using. In other words: the best way to lose weight is self-control.

Actually, I understand that exercise is a better way to lose weight than dieting... although my source for that info is a personal trainer and so isn't terribly objective.

I personally got thinner when I just stopped eating so fucking much.

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I'd consume no non-nutritional carbs (drinking whiskey instead of beer, yay).

You mean whiskey is nutritional? I think I see a new fad diet in the making!

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andydougan
May 5, 2005 7:44 AM

I think he means whisky has fewer carbs than beer. Which explains my enviable figure.

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not_Scyess
May 5, 2005 9:06 AM

Quiet. You're ruining my prospects of making billions on the SoCal Whiskey Diet.

Did you know that whiskey is actually a food group? Buy my book to learn how to drink yourself to fitness!

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flipynif1
May 5, 2005 9:55 AM

Man Fat people piss me off...

In school there is a small herd of them. We had a Potluck lunch for the class and those ladies actaully pushed people out of the way, took full bowls of food and boxes of chocolates and basically left the buns for other people. The funny thing is that they think they are hot at the same time...

Ok not all fat people suck just the ones that are fat because of their mouths...

One of them makes me laugh pretty hard, we have a small staircase and everythime sdhe goes up she huffs and puffs really hard like an asmatic, but at the same time she stuffs her face with chips or something, Puff huff chew chew (mouth open of course) puff puff. You can hear the huffing and puffing throughout the school (small school).

Anyway those are my stories on fat people, myself, I am 6'3" tall and 200lbs with no fat (good old metabolism and excersize).

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KajunFirefly
May 5, 2005 10:24 AM

quote:
I was an exceedingly skinny kid growing up, and didn't really need to watch my weight until my early 30's, when i started packing on the pounds. Let's hear it for a slowing metabolism. Unfortunately, growing up naturally scrawny worked against me at this point -- I had no habits in terms of exercize, eating healthy, portion control, and so on.
This is what I'm planning ahead for. I have an insanely fast metabolism and have never had a weight problem because of it.

Since childhood I've always had a more than healthy appetite. While I don't eat a lot of shit, I do eat a lot and I've heard "it'll all catch up with you" since I was about 7. So while I laugh my arrogant laugh at these people struggling with their newest fad diets and say "nah, it'll never happen to me" I am aware that, in most likelyhood, it will.

For the past two years I've been more aware of my eating and exercise habits. I walk 2 miles every day just getting to work (rather than driving to the train station), I eat a piece of fruit every time someone from the office is going to buy cakes and I try to make sure that I don't eat the same colour of fruit/veg twice in one day. I don't drink soft drinks except for one can of Irn-Bru when I get home from work. At work I'll have a pint of milk or maybe some lucozade sport (if I'm really thirsty).

The rest of my day tends to consist of a couple of bacon rolls for breakfast, a pub lunch (with at least one pint of lager) and more-often-than-not a large dinner. People I work with focus on this and say things like "I wish I could just eat whatever I want and not care, like you". Which is bullshit, it's not that I don't care, it's just that I do enough to make sure that I can get away with it.

Writing this post is probably the most thought I've put into my eating habits. To be honest it just seems like common sense. If I'm eating a McDonald's or a Subway sandwich, I know that it's wrong, there's a very loud voice that says "this ISN'T food, jackass".

Fast food is like masturbation, ultimately what you'd like is a tasty main-course, but this is easier than putting in all the ingredients and effort.

Then afterwards you can't be arsed exercising at all.

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Drexle
May 5, 2005 10:39 AM

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Actually, I understand that exercise is a better way to lose weight than dieting... although my source for that info is a personal trainer and so isn't terribly objective.

I personally got thinner when I just stopped eating so fucking much.



Same here. The personal trainer is a bit biased, and I don't entirely believe the advice. The problem with exercise alone is that it shoots your metabolism so high that it makes you far hungrier than you normally would be, so with no dietary control you are likely to simply maintain your current weight. Problem is that once you stop exercising, your apetite won't go away and thus you gain fat like never before because your caloric intake no longer matches your daily expendature.

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JESUSSANDWICH
May 5, 2005 11:43 AM

Smoking is great.

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attitudechicka
May 5, 2005 1:15 PM

I have a question for choad:

My parents are trying to diet and lose a little bit of weight. Neither are obese by any sense of the word, just each is packing a spare tire.

Now my parents EAT. They eat nearly all day long without thinking about it. What can they snack on that's not going to add more pounds, but will fill in the hungry gaps between meals (also, I suspect the snacking isn't just hunger, they're both ex-smokers)?

And don't say rice cakes, it'll never happen.

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KajunFirefly
May 5, 2005 1:18 PM

Fruit.

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MikeyG
May 5, 2005 1:48 PM

And cock, of course.

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flipynif1
May 5, 2005 2:12 PM

Celery actaulyl burn more calories than it gives, though putting bacon and peanut butter on it kinda kills that

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CowTipper
May 5, 2005 2:46 PM

I've always been quite skinny, even before I started majorly growing. I have a fast metabolism, a huge amount of energy and eat like crazy. When I was growing about three inches in seventh-eighth grade (I used to be one of the shorter kids), people thought I had some sort of eating disorder until they'd see me inhale a few hamburgers (and not throw them up later). Hopefully my appetite will wane once my weight has caught up with me, but if not, I guess I'll worry about that then.

Personally, I don't really blame slightly overweight people. If I wasn't lucky about having a growth spurt and fast metabolism, I'd probably be on the chubby side too. Absolutely obese people, however, should work on it, if only for their health. I've never had a body problem, but I've played piano for years and have gone through phases where I just wanted to quit because it felt too hard or took too much time. I still practiced though, because I knew it would pay off in the end, and I'm so glad that I did. I figure the same sort of thing applies.

And yes, I know that for some people, it is genetic, but for a lot of people that seems like a fallback excuse to themselves.

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cpausti
May 5, 2005 3:21 PM

I was almost underweight a year ago but high school slapped twenty pounds on me. I still am pretty thin, though. I probably should start working out before I get too used to eating ten pounds of fast food and not gaining anything.

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choadwarrior
May 5, 2005 6:14 PM

quote:
I have a question for choad:

My parents are trying to diet and lose a little bit of weight. Neither are obese by any sense of the word, just each is packing a spare tire.

Now my parents EAT. They eat nearly all day long without thinking about it. What can they snack on that's not going to add more pounds, but will fill in the hungry gaps between meals (also, I suspect the snacking isn't just hunger, they're both ex-smokers)?

And don't say rice cakes, it'll never happen.



Fruit, nuts, vegetables.

At work, I keep boxes of raisins and sometimes some peanuts. I usually have some nuts at home for between meals--but I keep the portions down to about a handful. An awesome snack is Go Mix from Balance Bar. One bag is 200 calories, 6 g fat (only 1.5 saturated), and 14 whopping grams of protein. Okay, carb counters--there's 22g of those, but I never count carbs so I have no idea if that's good or bad. Also, I eat energy bars sometimes too--check the labels, since each brand and flavor is different in their calorie and fat content.

Yes, Mikey, I know...handful of nuts at choad's house.

If they are the potato chip eating type, have them switch to pretzels or baked chips--they're lower in fat. Again, read the lable on trail mix and choose the mix that is lowest in calories and fat. If I'm eating pretzels, trail mix, or chips at home, I pour a portion in a bowl and take it out to the couch rather than taking the bag with me--if the bag is right in front of me, then one more handful is always tempting, so I take it out of the equation and control my portioning.

I'd also suggest carrot sticks. Now that you can buy the mini carrots pre-peeled, they're an easy snack--just don't dredge them through high-fat ranch or bleu cheese dressing. What flippynif said about celery is correct, but a lot of people hate celery--a little peanut butter on celery is okay, but it just turns the celery into a utensil since it has negative calories and almost no nutritional value.

The other thing to do is drink a lot of water--it has no calories and it fills your stomach.

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BigFrank105
May 5, 2005 6:34 PM

I'm 6'1'' 190 with little fat because of exercise and all. I played sports in HS so that helped a bit.

I eat like a cow but I have a great metabolism so as I get older I'm prolly gonna get chunkier if I don't change my eating habits.

Some of my friends are overweight BECAUSE of genetics, but they're not terribly fat. Maybe just chunky, but they're not unhealthy. There's a few fat girls in my school who think they're hot. I mean, they wear tight pants and shirts and you can see their damn thongs sticking out. It's so gross. Yet, all the skinny, pretty girls think they're fat and ugly. I will never understand females.

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Cities
May 6, 2005 2:39 PM

I'm 5'10" and I keep very thin. I jog a couple miles every morning, and I walk everywhere instead of using my car. I also eat fairly healthily. I'm not a super organic nut but I do shop at health food stores for my chips and snacky things.

To me, looking good is part of feeling good, so that's where most of my incentive is for it. I'm not doing it for the rest of Earth to admire, I just like being able to admire myself.

And a message to the overweight: Stop wearing belly shirts! Jesus!

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areallystupidguy
May 6, 2005 2:44 PM

All my weight goes straight to my ass.

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andydougan
May 6, 2005 2:59 PM

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And a message to the overweight: Stop wearing belly shirts! Jesus!

What, even my "Hello Kitty" one?

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Melkor
May 6, 2005 5:56 PM

Message to fat people:

Build more muscle. if you have more muscle, you burn more calories, even without exercising, just in your dailly routine. Its pretty simple, people...

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ivytheplant
May 8, 2005 2:14 PM

quote:
Message to fat people:

Build more muscle. if you have more muscle, you burn more calories, even without exercising, just in your dailly routine. Its pretty simple, people...



Yeah, muscle-building, my nemesis.

I was absolutely convinced I was fat in high school (I hate all my classmates) but looking at pictures I realized I was rather hot. Jerks. Got even hotter in college.

Then I moved here, bought a car (6 months out of the year it's too fucking cold to ride a bike and three of those will kill you if you try), and moved into an apartment next to campus, a McD's, BK, Wendy's, and Baskin Robbins. Needless to say, after two jobs and full time school, I was too tired to bother with cooking so I huffed over to one of the fast food places.

30 extra pounds later, I moved to where I am now. I then met my Crazy Ex-Neighbor who introduced me to gourmet (and horrifically high fat) foods, the joys of delivery, and other bad habits.

An assload of extra pounds later, I got rid of the psycho (for other reasons) and have been dropping it ever since.

Unfortunately, all that fat is being replaced by muscle due to all the work I'm doing (and WalMart runs me ragged in heavy lifting, running (for my life), etc) so now I'm many pant sizes smaller (and have dropped another 4 sizes since last May...I desperately need new pants) but my weight is over 200lbs. And my boobs are still big so they hide the fact that I have a small stomach (always did). And my upper arms...dear god I hate them! It's like all the fat from anywhere else in my body flees in terror and hides out there. Plus I have this arsed layer of fat over everything (always have...farm girl genes) so while I should look like I could bench press a truck, I just look like a video game-playing slacker who drinks too much soda (which I do). And getting on the scale doesn't help at all.

On the plus side, I greatly enjoy picking up something really heavy and startling customers. Especially the condescending male customers.

Customer: "Oh, you don't have to carry that, sweetie, I can wait for a stockman."
Ivy: *hoists a couple bags of sand over one shoulder*
Customer: *sputter*
Ivy: *evil grin*

Plus I really hate it when people call me "sweetie." I am neither sweet nor an ie.

But I digress.

Craisins and apples are my snack of choice. I have been known to blaspheme in an effort to get the perfect apple.

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ivytheplant
May 8, 2005 2:28 PM

Oh yeah, back in high school when my mom was constantly belittling my weight (which actually was ideal, she just comes from a ballet dancer-type physique family) I went on a low fat diet and that really dropped the pounds (like I really needed to).

And I started on the low fat thing again after I got rid of the Crazy Ex-Neighbor and basically started a new life.

Personally, I can't stand high fat/greasy foods much anymore because they make me feel ill. I get pizza, Chinese, and fast food occasionally (more than I'd like lately), but I mostly eat healthy because I actually like it. I can't stand too much sugar (except for that Dr. Pepper addiction) and I avoid salt as best I can. (Though my doctor actually prescribed more salt in my diet to help raise my blood pressure from the current corpse-like levels. Like I ever listen to that jackass).

I have a friend who is rather obese and just doesn't care. Restaurants can be quite akward. The only time I ever eat large meals is when he comes over, but that's not too often. Don't tell him, but when I cook, I use fat free ingredients and the occasional soy protien. He abhors all vegetables except potatoes. And he barely tolerates corn.

Plus I don't eat other meals if I know a large supper is coming. Or if I have a large breakfast or lunch, I'll just snack for the rest of the day at the most.

I wouldn't recommend my habits of constantly skipping meals (my philosophy is why bother to eat a meal if I'm not hungry at the moment) or calling a granola bar a meal. But that's just me.

Crap, I should go back to work. I have to get soaking wet in the parking lot.

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PhreakyChinchilla
May 9, 2005 4:38 AM

I've lost about 45lbs in the last 6 months. But I did mine on the Stress/No Eating Diet. I'm waiting for it to come back.

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ivytheplant
May 9, 2005 6:38 AM

Ever notice that when you don't eat a meal, people assume you have an eating disorder? Or is that just me?

Frankly, it drives me bananas. Society is too caught up in the "three squares a day" idea and when I eat only because I'm hungry, it's like I'm some sort of freak. No, I'm not starving myself; if I was, you could tell. Most of the time I don't eat breakfast or I'll grab a granola bar mid morning. On my days off, I never eat breakfast and rarely eat lunch. On the days I do, my reaction is more "Well, I guess I should eat something."

Lunch used to be the most important meal I ate, highly ritualized, with breakfast and supper being largely ignored. Now it's supper being the most important.

Conclusion: Society sucks.

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MikeyG
May 9, 2005 10:41 AM

I used to go out with a girl who would sneak off and puke up the dinner I just paid for.

What a liar.

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KajunFirefly
May 9, 2005 10:58 AM

You went out with a girl and she vomitted repeatedly?

There are no words to describe my lack of surprise.

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MikeyG
May 9, 2005 2:21 PM

quote:
You went out with a girl and she vomitted repeatedly?

There are no words to describe my lack of surprise.



That explains why it only happened after I started to unbuckle my pants.

Dude, tell your mom I want my money back.

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kaufman
May 9, 2005 7:38 PM

quote:
I used to go out with a girl who would sneak off and puke up the dinner I just paid for.
Mikey, Mikey, Mikey:

If you don't like that response, don't take your dates to Ipecac-In-The-Box.

HTH!

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UnknownEric
May 10, 2005 12:20 PM

quote:
I have to get soaking wet in the parking lot.
This comment is useless without pics.

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ivytheplant
May 12, 2005 2:46 PM

quote:
quote:
I have to get soaking wet in the parking lot.
This comment is useless without pics.

It was also about 40 degrees out.

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biped
May 12, 2005 8:39 PM

Shut up. If you're one of those people who can eat whatever the fuck you want without ever getting fat, then just shut the fuck up. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Here's something you should try eating. SHIT. EAT SHIT. That should keep your fucking weight down.

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little_kitty
May 12, 2005 10:26 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I have to get soaking wet in the parking lot.
This comment is useless without pics.

It was also about 40 degrees out.

Me being from Canada and all, I read that as 40 degrees Celsius, after which I thought "So you were soaking wet because you were sweating so bad?"

Then I remembered Fahrenheit.

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not_Scyess
May 12, 2005 11:04 PM

In the classroom of the world, Canada is like the slow kid who needs "special attention."

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KajunFirefly
May 14, 2005 9:07 AM

America is the fat one who picks on the all the foreign kids for their lunch money.

and their oil reserves.

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PhreakyChinchilla
May 14, 2005 12:38 PM

This thread makes me hungry.

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little_kitty
May 14, 2005 11:12 PM

Saskatoon, the city that Rabid and I live in, has been titled 'the fattest city in Canada'.

Rock on.

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Rabid_Weasle
May 15, 2005 1:57 AM

Hey, don't look at me. Not like I'm contributing to the title.

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MikeyG
May 15, 2005 9:36 AM

boinky33 may have eaten the title.

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niteowl
May 15, 2005 9:50 AM

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DragonXero
May 16, 2005 12:59 AM

Until I was about 20 or so, I was insanely skinny. I could lay around all day, eat all the fatty foods I wanted, whatever. I never gained weight. I think I maxed out at 147 in high school. When I was nearly 21, I started gaining weight like crazy. I ended up maxing at over 180. Had a beer gut and big thighs. It wasn't terrible, but I felt really ugly at that point. I wanted to gain weight, but not like that. I wanted it everywhere, kinda evened out.

I tried to figure out what changed. I thought it may have been the beer, but no, beer supposedly makes you gain weight because of empty carbs... like what's in soda. I drank plenty of soda.

I finally realized, I had changed my eating habits. Working, I had a more structured life. I would eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. When I was in school, I ate twice as much, but I ate probably 7 or more times a day. I spaced out my eating throughout the day and at a lot of junk food, but I got a little exercise.

I dunno, maybe my metabolism just slowed down, but I recently dropped back down to about 152 or so. I don't know.

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UnknownEric
May 16, 2005 7:00 AM

I was 150 from the start of high school until about 3 years ago. Now I'm 210. My metabolism died and went to hell.

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MikeyG
May 16, 2005 7:45 AM

I eat children.

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Melkor
May 16, 2005 2:58 PM

I eat MikeyG's. because they're low on carbs but high on children.

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ivytheplant
May 24, 2005 6:36 PM

Adult humans are too salty for my taste. Little kids are too sugary. Babies have a milder taste but can use some thyme.

And everyone knows that eating kittens is just plain wrong!

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PhreakyChinchilla
May 25, 2005 6:26 AM

quote:
Babies have a milder taste but can use some thyme.



*groan* That was awful. :)

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ivytheplant
May 27, 2005 1:31 PM

You think that's bad? After we got our herbs and vegetables delivered at work, I was threatened for my thymely puns.

Blame my mother. She started me in on the thyme jokes when I was 7.

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andydougan
May 27, 2005 1:38 PM

That was hardly sage of her.

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Drexle
May 27, 2005 1:56 PM

Where did I put my mace?

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MikeyG
May 27, 2005 3:15 PM

Let's not get caraway'd here.

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