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Chaplin June 4, 2005 12:12 PM	I been pondering for a long time. Does anyone know how Boinky got banned? Its been annoying me because his comics are like perfection at its least. (In the good way) I know i'm new but I read for awhile. Please tell me...How did Boinky33 get banned?? Did he beat-up Brad?? O_O
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JESUSSANDWICH June 4, 2005 1:06 PM	It was the disobeyment of brad durring a heated argument against a certain character we have all grown to dispise. He was also banned.
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biped June 4, 2005 2:09 PM	quote: He was also banned. But his banning came later, after a heated argument with crabby.
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Zaster June 4, 2005 2:52 PM	But not before Brandon walked in and found Marsha in the arms of Juan, her tennis instructor.
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little_kitty June 4, 2005 3:25 PM	quote: But not before Brandon walked in and found Marsha in the arms of Juan, her tennis instructor. gahahaha. literally.
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Chaplin June 4, 2005 4:04 PM	Cool. Thanks. But I miss Boinky... I'm gonna start killing 20 kittens a day until Brad unbans him! Then I'll only kill 10 kittens a day...or 12...or more
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little_kitty June 4, 2005 6:01 PM	uh, not to be a pain in the ass, but this cause was already fought for ages ago, to no avail. its also really old.
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TheNewSoup June 4, 2005 6:03 PM	quote: Cool. Thanks. But I miss Boinky... I'm gonna start killing 20 kittens a day until Brad unbans him! Then I'll only kill 10 kittens a day...or 12...or more Every time you kill a kitten, God masturbates.
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Fuj June 4, 2005 8:01 PM	Every time you kill a kitten, God masturbates. ..And seemingly God releases his celestial salvation all over Wyoming at this time of year.
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biped June 4, 2005 8:37 PM	Whenever you kill a kitten, you purchase another thousand years of extreme cock-and-ball torture in Hell.
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possums June 4, 2005 8:56 PM	Whenever you kill a kitten, a kitten dies.
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not_Scyess June 4, 2005 10:37 PM	What the fuck is it with killing kittens? If there's one thing the world has a surplus of, it's cats, except around certain Chinese restaraunts. Cats tend to start their existence as kittens. So kill them if you want to... just know that it's probalby more lucrative to sell them to Happy Wok Palace.
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fuzzyman June 5, 2005 5:31 AM
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Zaster June 5, 2005 6:50 AM	If you are going to kill a kitten, I think the least you can do is eat it. I feel the same way about people.
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ivytheplant June 5, 2005 1:15 PM	No kidding. Cemetaries are such a waste.
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mandingo June 12, 2005 2:19 PM	quote: But I miss Boinky... I'm gonna start killing 20 kittens a day until Brad unbans him! Why don't you kill 20 brads a day until a kitten unbans him? Brads are probably easier to find, there being no kitten phonebook and all.
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Externalization June 13, 2005 7:07 AM	I'm going to masturbate 20 boinkys a day until Brad kills a kitten.
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biped June 14, 2005 1:56 PM	I'm going to masturbate a kitten 20 times a day until boinky kills Brad.
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not_Scyess June 14, 2005 7:06 PM	I'm going to masturbate 20 times a day, although it will be hard to cut back so drastically.
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Rabid_Weasle June 15, 2005 9:35 AM	I'm going to use a previously used sentance as a template, and then change one or two of the words to create a slightly different sentance, hopefully creating a humorous effect.
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mandingo
June 15, 2005 11:49 AM

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I'm going to use a previously used sentance as a template, and then change one or two of the words to create a slightly different sentance, hopefully creating a humorous effect.

Well I'm going to use a previously used paragraph as a template, and then change one or two words to create a slightly different paragraph, hopefully creating a humorous effect.

And did anyone ever say how boinky33 got banned? That guys comics are funny and many. Good combination.

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not_Scyess June 15, 2005 12:44 PM	He got banned because a certain other user on the site got banned, and he couldn't stop asking why.
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KajunFirefly June 15, 2005 12:46 PM	quote: And did anyone ever say how boinky33 got banned? That guys comics are funny and many. Good combination. quote: It was the disobeyment of brad durring a heated argument against a certain character we have all grown to dispise. He was also banned. First reply, dumbass.
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kaufman June 15, 2005 1:29 PM	People, he asked how boinky got banned, not why. The answer is as follows: Brad ran a script.
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Rabid_Weasle June 15, 2005 8:12 PM	Hey Brad is your script running? Well then you better go and catch it! LEWL!
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mandingo
June 16, 2005 4:56 AM

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And did anyone ever say how boinky33 got banned? That guys comics are funny and many. Good combination.

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It was the disobeyment of brad durring a heated argument against a certain character we have all grown to dispise. He was also banned.

First reply, dumbass.

Still it didn't occur to you that i would have read it.

It's just that it was about as useful as "How did he get in an accident?", "Oh, he was driving a car."

I'd hope you can't get banned for having a heated argument with another user or an admin, so I'm guessing it was the disobeyment part. So what'd he do? Flood, or flame, or hack, or simply say grape one too many times?

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andydougan June 16, 2005 5:37 AM	You need the obscenity filter on to get the full effect of that post.
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KajunFirefly June 16, 2005 10:21 AM	Ha.
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Drexle June 16, 2005 2:37 PM	He raped one too many G's, dawg.
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mandingo June 16, 2005 2:51 PM	Now lets see.. I wonder if.. rrapearapeprapee Oh yes. Begun, the Filter War has..
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mandingo June 16, 2005 2:53 PM	Oh and graperrapearapeprapee.
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HCRoyall June 22, 2005 1:23 AM	Oh, the humanity! The R's! And the A's! And the Raping!
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mandingo June 22, 2005 1:47 AM	quote: The R's! And the A's! And the Raping! sounds like this guy who i've recently became a fan of you know.
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HCRoyall June 22, 2005 2:55 AM	He is one of my own favorites. Wait, I probably negated any any cool points Boritom had by admitting I like his comics. Back to the beginning for Boritom, then.
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JESUSSANDWICH June 22, 2005 11:12 AM	The certain character we have grown to despise http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/CHUBBY Boinky and him were in a heated argument and Brad warned them to stop. CHUBBY stopped, boinky33 didnt. and was banned. I cry at night cause of this story. You can look at previous threads in FGH to see this.
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mandingo June 22, 2005 4:31 PM	thanks i checked out fights go here and found this which i'm still reading.
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KajunFirefly June 26, 2005 11:22 AM	You know what's awesome? How this stupid incident is STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT!
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mandingo
June 26, 2005 2:56 PM

i was going to let this go but what the hell

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You know what's awesome? How this stupid incident is STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT!

another awesome thing is when you read the thread and see how its very likely that more people complained about his banning than likely emailed to complain about his actions in the first place. still he remains banned. makes you wonder who the site's run for - its users or to make the moderators lives easier

you can say its brads site and he can do what he wants but thats true for any site. the assumption is that he cares what his users think. and ideally more about what they think than what the moderators do

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dcomposed
June 27, 2005 8:25 AM

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i was going to let this go but what the hell

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You know what's awesome? How this stupid incident is STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT!
another awesome thing is when you read the thread and see how its very likely that more people complained about his banning than likely emailed to complain about his actions in the first place. still he remains banned. makes you wonder who the site's run for - its users or to make the moderators lives easier

you can say its brads site and he can do what he wants but thats true for any site. the assumption is that he cares what his users think. and ideally more about what they think than what the moderators do

did you ever see the "Free Hat" episode of south park?

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evil_d
June 27, 2005 9:22 AM

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another awesome thing is when you read the thread and see how its very likely that more people complained about his banning than likely emailed to complain about his actions in the first place. still he remains banned. makes you wonder who the site's run for - its users or to make the moderators lives easier

Yes. I am certain that Brad spends all that time programming new features, coming up with solutions for problem users, and reading and answering a variety of angry e-mail from all quarters, primarily to make his own life, and the lives of half a dozen or so volunteer moderators who wouldn't even be moderators if this site didn't exist, easier. That seems perfectly reasonable.

In general, there are two ways for a person to find a place in the Stripcreator community: you can be funny, or you can be nice. Boinky is one of a small number of people who have scored so low in the latter category that their scores in the former weren't enough to save them. And we can guess that, so far, he has been unwilling and/or unable to give Brad a convincing apology and promise to change.

Around the time of boinky's ban, Brad posted this link in the moderator forum: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006036.html . Read points 8 and 10 to understand what happened with boinky.

To be honest, I think boinky's ban was long overdue. Like, a couple of years overdue. If I were the webmaster here, nobody would be asking what happened to boinky, because I would have banned him so quickly and so long ago that nobody would remember who he was. So, be glad that Brad is obviously a lot more lenient than I would be.

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KajunFirefly June 27, 2005 10:53 AM	Since boinky was booted, I've listened to a whole lot of people arguing that he shouldn't have been banned. Yet I've still to heard one good argument to say why not.
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Brad
June 27, 2005 11:02 AM

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you can say its brads site and he can do what he wants but thats true for any site. the assumption is that he cares what his users think. and ideally more about what they think than what the moderators do

Since it's in question, here's what I care most about as the webmaster of Stripcreator: keeping Stripcreator online.

The CHUBBY/boinky thing was so incredibly juvenile and such a waste of time that if I had to put up with it on a daily basis, I would take Stripcreator offline. It's that simple.

They were banned for not keeping their dumb fighting off Stripcreator. They were both given multiple chances but they chose not to stop.

When two users require more attention from me than the thousands that visit the site each day, there's something wrong with those users and it's time to get rid of them.

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mandingo
June 27, 2005 2:41 PM

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did you ever see the "Free Hat" episode of south park?

is that the one where kenny dies?

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Around the time of boinky's ban, Brad posted this link in the moderator forum: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006036.html . Read points 8 and 10 to understand what happened with boinky.

hard not to take that site with a grain of saltrock after reading:

"9. If you judge that a post is offensive, upsetting, or just plain unpleasant, itâ€™s important to get rid of it...."

that's just the recipe for good conversation - the vigilant effort not to be offensive, upsetting, or even just plain unpleasant.

still if you want to understand my point, which i'm hoping you already do, as i do yours, read 3 and 6.

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Since boinky was booted, I've listened to a whole lot of people arguing that he shouldn't have been banned. Yet I've still to heard one good argument to say why not.

i'd say if you don't consider a lot of the site's users arguing in favor of something at least a "good" argument, you're making my point for me

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Since it's in question, here's what I care most about as the webmaster of Stripcreator: keeping Stripcreator online.

The CHUBBY/boinky thing was so incredibly juvenile and such a waste of time that if I had to put up with it on a daily basis, I would take Stripcreator offline. It's that simple.

well thats definitely a debate killer, though it undercuts the issue - if the choice is keeping strip creator up or banning boinky, i'd have banned him too, but even if he was the perfect forum user

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KajunFirefly June 27, 2005 3:44 PM	Case closed.
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evil_d
June 27, 2005 3:45 PM

Mandingo, you seem to believe that a large majority of Stripcreator users want boinky to be allowed back on the site. While it is the case that a number of people have this preference and have been vocal about it, I think that there are many others who have the opposite preference, from whom we are not hearing, for various reasons -- either because they don't need to lobby for something they already have, or because they stopped reading the forums when they encountered people like boinky, or even because they left the site for the same reason.

In any case, I think the fact that boinky is apparently unrepentant trumps whatever anybody wants. When someone does something that's worth banning them indefinitely over, you don't just unban them without some reason to believe that you won't just be repeating the whole process again soon. Not that I get any more of a vote in the matter than you do -- but I can't imagine what boinky could do that would convince me of that, short of spending a few years growing up.

I'm having trouble understanding what your interest in the matter is. Your account is fairly new, so your knowledge of what boinky was like must be very limited -- and based primarily on his comics, rather than on what he was like in the forums or on IRC -- so presumably you're not trying to get boinky unbanned just because you miss his charming and urbane personality. If you just want to know what sort of things get a person banned around here, I think you already have as much information as there is to be had about that. The rules are intentionally vague (see #5). The basic idea is that anyone who comports themselves like a civilized human being should be okay, and anyone who acts like a jerk should not be surprised when they get banned. People who don't know how to tell when they're acting like a jerk are unfortunately likely to act like one and get banned for it. The internet is, sadly, full of that sort of thing, and IMO that was part of boinky's problem. However, teaching such people how to avoid acting like jerks is well outside the scope of anyone's job here. That's really the sort of thing one needs to learn from one's parents and teachers long before one is allowed to roam free on the internet. And I know my parents would be happy to give me a refresher course if they thought I needed one.

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Chaplin June 27, 2005 6:21 PM	Now I feel stupid for bringing this up. ..... Hell, I'll proubaly ask again in 6 months... Seeya in 6 months -Chaplin- (P.S Hoppy and George Rocks!)
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mandingo
June 27, 2005 6:34 PM

not that it matters a whole lot to the discussion, but since i'm happy to share it, let me answer this first:

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I'm having trouble understanding what your interest in the matter is. Your account is fairly new, so your knowledge of what boinky was like must be very limited -- and based primarily on his comics, rather than on what he was like in the forums or on IRC -- so presumably you're not trying to get boinky unbanned just because you miss his charming and urbane personality.

originally it was just because i thought his comics were funny. then it was because his comics were funny and it seemed a majority of people wished he wasn't banned which made me think how bad can his forum behavior be. sprinkle on top of the fact that my sense of humor and so my comics here would be imminently banable on many sites, and you have a rough picture of where i'm coming from.

and truth be told, its really not that big of a deal to me. like i said above, id planned on letting it go, especially when i realized it was a somewhat fresh wound so i may be gumming up the works in one way or another. it just seemed shitty when it was said something to the effect, "isn't it awesome how w'ere still talking about." that made it seem like not only don't we care what the majority think, but we don't even want to hear it. so i responded. and i'll continue to as long as someone wants to discuss it

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Mandingo, you seem to believe that a large majority of Stripcreator users want boinky to be allowed back on the site. While it is the case that a number of people have this preference and have been vocal about it, I think that there are many others who have the opposite preference, from whom we are not hearing, for various reasons -- either because they don't need to lobby for something they already have, or because they stopped reading the forums when they encountered people like boinky, or even because they left the site for the same reason.

if your saying that you know there are/were more people emailing who were for banning boinky than against it, then that's a valid point. if your saying you believe there's a silent majority who wants him banned for no other reason than your above reasoning, that doesn't fly since i could use the same reasoning and say there are more people than we even know who want him unbanned, they're just not speaking up because they don't want to cause waves, or brad and or the moderators are their friends, or a hundred other reasons. all we can go by is who speaks up

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crabby June 27, 2005 8:11 PM	I find it odd that boinky has become some sort of martyr.
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CowTipper June 27, 2005 8:22 PM	There may be a silent minority that wanted him banned, a loud minority that wants him to be unbanned, but I think there's an apathetic majority with a unanimous vote of "Whatever!" I liked his comics, but there are many other funny people out there in the wide world of stripcreator. However, if you still have a hankering for boinky33 comics, he has some that he updates here and here.
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evil_d
June 27, 2005 9:59 PM

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originally it was just because i thought his comics were funny. then it was because...

Fair enough.

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sprinkle on top of the fact that my sense of humor and so my comics here would be imminently banable on many sites,

As you can probably tell by looking around, the content of your comics practically has to actually be criminal in order for you to get banned for it. You're allowed to be offensive, just stay clear of stuff like spamming, flooding, fighting with other users, and stuff that's outright illegal. You've been to internet sites before, I'm sure, so you probably know the drill as far as that goes. Just use your head.

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if your saying that you know there are/were more people emailing who were for banning boinky than against it, then that's a valid point. if your saying you believe there's a silent majority who wants him banned for no other reason than your above reasoning, that doesn't fly since i could use the same reasoning and say there are more people than we even know who want him unbanned, they're just not speaking up because they don't want to cause waves, or brad and or the moderators are their friends, or a hundred other reasons. all we can go by is who speaks up

Mostly I'm saying that we can't go by who speaks up.

First, because we have no way to tell if/reason to believe that it's representative.

Second, because the feelings and opinions of the people who do the work that actually makes the site run trump the feelings and opinions of the rest of the users. Those people have to feel like the site is a worthwhile investment of their time, or the whole thing fails no matter what anybody wants.

Third, because democracy doesn't quite work right when constituents can be recruited or bullied into leaving by the faction with the loudest voices on short notice. While it may look like a happy democracy on the surface, a lot of potentially valuable people get left out.

Fourth, because fifty million Frenchmen can be wrong. If a majority of Stripcreator users really do want boinky to come back, that still doesn't make it a good idea. A community that welcomes trolls quickly becomes a community of trolls. If that's what you want, then okay, but you can get that at a lot of other web sites. Moreover, most of those people lack the experience, comprehensive knowledge of the situation, and possibly also the interest in Stripcreator's long-term health that Brad and the moderators have.

Anyway. The other people in this thread are right. It isn't really worth all this discussion.

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