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Borg wins as long as you ignore the whole Voyager series.

the Borg probably assimilated the force by now. little borged out yoda packin a 350 engine, 4.25:1, hydraulics. futile is resistance, yeeeees

Borg=Droids, Droids can't use the Force. Any Jedi they assimilate become useless. Plus, Force Lightning shorts out the Borg circuits.

Force wins.

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Borg=Droids, Droids can't use the Force. Any Jedi they assimilate become useless.

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anyone involved in this discussion loses.

wait....damn.

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Borg=Droids, Droids can't use the Force. Any Jedi they assimilate become useless.

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dude, borg=cyborg, not droids. your chic geek rating just plummetted

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Borg=Droids, Droids can't use the Force. Any Jedi they assimilate become useless.

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dude, borg=cyborg, not droids. your chic geek rating just plummetted

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They are droids with some organic parts. A cyborg is an organic with some cybernetic parts. Thus the Borg are droids.

j00 < geek chic than me.

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I've never watched Star Treck so I can't really say, but the Borg would have to be pretty badass to beat up some Jedi's.

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By that logic, Starfleet ships are considered cyborgs because they have partially organic circuitry. A droid with an organic part is no more a cyborg than my toaster is with a slice of bread in it.

It's been long established in scifi that cyborgs are originally organic beings with added cybernetic parts. The Borg were all originally organic humans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc until they were assimilated and cybernetic parts added. Also, the Borg implants can be removed and the person restored to their previous state, though the longer someone is a Borg, the more likely a few implants remain.

Besides, "borg" was specifically derived from "cyborg."

Duh.

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I AM TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKIN BORGS ON THIS MOTHERFUCKIN STARSHIP

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I AM TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKIN BORGS ON THIS MOTHERFUCKIN STARSHIP

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By that logic, Starfleet ships are considered cyborgs because they have partially organic circuitry. A droid with an organic part is no more a cyborg than my toaster is with a slice of bread in it.

It's been long established in scifi that cyborgs are originally organic beings with added cybernetic parts. The Borg were all originally organic humans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc until they were assimilated and cybernetic parts added. Also, the Borg implants can be removed and the person restored to their previous state, though the longer someone is a Borg, the more likely a few implants remain.

Besides, "borg" was specifically derived from "cyborg."

Duh.

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The implants actually replace the organic parts over time. The longer one is Borg, the less organic they are. They would start out as cyborgs, but then down the line become droids with organic parts. The Starfleet ships are still driods, because the majority of their parts are cybernetic.

Besides, the Borg have no wills of their own, thus cannot control the Force; only those of strong will can wield the Force. If the Borg Queen had been a Jedi before becoming Borg, then she and she alone would be able to wield the Force among the Borg. But she wasn't, she isn't, and she can't.

Jedi > Borg.

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you do get geek chic points back for arguing passionately about it though

Any site that allows people to freely alter the information held therein cannot be held as a valid resource site. Therefore your argument is invalid.

I win.

i think we all know that buckeroo banzai teamed with the road warrior would kick both the borgs and the jedi's asses AT THE SAME TIME.

everyone loses, including me for posting this.

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The implants actually replace the organic parts over time. The longer one is Borg, the less organic they are. They would start out as cyborgs, but then down the line become droids with organic parts.

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I think we can all agree it would be a kick ass fight anyway.

Throw in Buck Rogers and Mad Max and I'll be there ringside.

By the way, I think I've just made the nerdiest set of posts I've ever made in my life. Q help me.

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By the way, I think I've just made the nerdiest set of posts I've ever made in my life. Q help me.

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Puppyborg.

You're all wrong. The winner of the fight is a assimilated Wookiee Jedi, just slashing and roaring and eating every goddamn thing in sight. I started this thread, so I win.

By the way, my grandmother is a cyborg.

Sometimes I wish I was a cyborg. "Go Go Gadget Dick!"

Anyway, if the Borg were to assimilate a Jedi, it would probably be Mace Windu as he would be in the thick of them, fighting to the last. All of his implants would be purple and he would have "Bad Ass" engraved on every visible surface. Then he would infuse the Borg with his Badassedness and wrest control from the Borg Queen.

Only under those circumstances would I allow myself to be assimilated.

Could you hand me my cybernetic arm? It's the one that says "Bad Motherfucker" on it.

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Could you hand me my cybernetic arm? It's the one that says "Bad Motherfucker" on it.

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Seriously, as a certified Star Wars/Trek fan, I am going to make this hypothesis:

A few people have mentioned the two factors that will ultimately dictate the Borg victory: their adaptability, their numbers. The Borg can learn to adapt to energy, and after all, what are lightsabers, blasters, and the Force itself but energy? Eventually my little cyborg Commie buddies would learn to absorb anything the Jedi could throw at them, including projectiles, Force lightning, etc.

Secondly, the number of Jedi compared to even the number of regular humans in their own universe is uneven. Only a pittance of people are Jdi. ANYONE can become a Borg...in Voyager we saw numerous different species of Borg, not just human. Can you imagine a Klingon Borg?! Or for that matter, the millions of people on Coruscant all assimilated and staggering zombie-like towards the Jedi Temple? Jedi resistance would be few-tle.

Thirdly and finally, SPEED. No, I'm not on this drug as I blather on and on. The maximum speed of a Star Wars era-vessel is lightspeed. This is, literally, the lowest warp speed in the Star Trek universe. Plus, Borg vessels are even faster than any Starfleet ship, often far exceeding the fabled warp nine.

The Jedi are outgunned, outmanned, and outmanuevered. Even though I think (hope) they'd be able to take out a lot of Borg before they were eventually destroyed.

/me hands the nerd crown to Zimri

What I know is this:

The federation managed to kick the crap out of the Borg on numerous occasions, despite being serious pussies. The Jedi on the other hand are pretty bad-ass.

Now as for the Borg adapting to the Jedi's powers, this wouldn't happen. A Jedi's power works by manipulating midichlorians. Since there are already midichlorians INSIDE the protective shield around the borg, the shield would do nothing (this very thing has come up in the books a couple times, where Jedi were able to use the force on things protected by shields). The Borg are not like the Yuuzhan Vong (who have a non-force pocket around them).

Now as for the speed difference- this is relative. In reality, even at light speed, it would literally take years for a ship to reach the nearest planet to Earth. You really have to either overlook this or look at how long it took to travel between stars in both SW and ST. Also the Jedi aren't going to be all that outnumbered, because they will have some sort of army backing them up.

And as for the Borg not being able to use the force because they're mostly machines? Hmmm... I vaguely recall a guy in a black cape that sounded like James Earl Jones that fits that description. I could be wrong here though.

Force sensitive individuals are explained in the SW universe as beings with a high concentration of midichlorians. This can actually be anything, including a droid (this happened) or even a tree (this also happened). In this way any Borg who originally had the potential to manipulate the force would still be able to after they were assimilated because they still possess the high concentration of midichlorians. They would however be under the queen's control. It would also mean that any potential Jedi that never undertook training would be able to use the force after being assimilated.

And Injokester snatches away the nerd crown, tearing off Zimri's hands in the process.

I myself stand in awe.

Midichlorians were the lamest thing to happen to the Force since Darth Vader took off his helmet. I don't recognize them in the continuum.

I, also, refuse to accept "midichlorians". I still say the force is mystical in origin, and therefore irrelevant to "energy".

Force: 1, Borg: 0

"Star Wars max speed is the speed of light", are you insane Zimri? If the max speed of the SW universe was lightspeed, it would take YEARS to get from one system to another. They can move from one edge of the galaxy to the other in reasonable time in the SW universe, and are certainly able to go from the middle to the outer edge quite easily (Outer Rim planets, anyone?). Hyperspace travel is faster than warp. It has to be. In Star Trek, they didn't even start really exploring other *sectors* of their galaxy until they found a wormhole!

Force: 2, Borg: 0

The Borg have been shown many times to inject drugs into their future bretheren to knock them out so they don't fight and become complacent. The Jedi have shown, many times in CANOCAL movies that they are resistant to drugs. Besides, the Borg are slow-moving zombie-like creatures. Hardly a match for the lightning-fast Jedi.

Force: 3, Borg: 0.

On the other hand, the Jedi have problems with effective shielding, as shown in all three prequels (Droidekas are pretty good at scaring Jedi a bit with their sheilds up), so the Borg could potentially have an advantage in sheilds.

Force: 3, Borg: 1.

The Borg have transporter technology, which is quite useful for catching a Jedi off-guard. Nuff said there.

Force: 3, Borg 2.

Jedi abilities have not yet been noted in reliant minds. On the other hand, the Borg hive-mind might serve as one all-encompassing will that would use the force to such great power that nothing could match it (provided enough Jedi and Force-sensitives were captured). I'd call this a draw.

Force: 3, Borg: 2

If we're bringing technology into the picture (as noted by the "speed" argument), then we have to talk about weapons technology in the SW universe. Obviously the Death Star MK 2 would decimate even the best-shielded Borg cube, as it was easily capable of blowing up sheilded capital ships, and was likely designed to destroy planets like its predecessor.

Force: 4, Borg: 2.

Darth Vader, already a cyborg in his own right, was still quite capable of using the force very well. General Greivous showed prowess with lightsabers that no ordinary organic brain could process, so I'm guessing he was somewhat force-sensitive (yes, Greivous was a cyborg. Read up on his history, he was originally alive). As such, if the Borg captured either of them, they would already be a step in the direction of cybrog Jedi.

Force: 4, Borg: 3.

The borg have already shown that, while they certainly prefer certain environments, they can survive, at least for a short time, outside of them. For example: The hard vacuum of space. The borg could sacrifice a few drones and easily wipe out a couple of Jedi by blowing out a starship wall.

Force: 4, Borg: 4.

I don't have anything else I can think of, but it would certainly be a fight.

what is The Borg?

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The Borg have been shown many times to inject drugs into their future bretheren to knock them out so they don't fight and become complacent. The Jedi have shown, many times in CANOCAL movies that they are resistant to drugs. Besides, the Borg are slow-moving zombie-like creatures. Hardly a match for the lightning-fast Jedi.

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mandingo wins.

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Darth Vader, already a cyborg in his own right, was still quite capable of using the force very well.

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The Borg would be all like, "We are the Borg -- prepare to be assimilated",
and then the Jedi would hold a big council meeting to figure out what to do. And then the borg would beam into the council chambers and the jedi would be all like, "Ah! Nanoprobes! Get 'em off! Get 'em off!". And then they'd be part of the collective and...

Oh shit -- my mother is calling me. She's worried because I haven't been out of the basement in three days.

WARNING! WARNING! Geek Implosion Factor is currently at 9.23. Continued debate about fictional entities will further weaken forum integrity.
ADVISEMENT: Go out for a drink and play darts.

I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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Have sex. Lots of it.

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The Borg would be all like, "We are the Borg -- prepare to be assimilated",
and then the Jedi would hold a big council meeting to figure out what to do. And then the borg would beam into the council chambers and the jedi would be all like, "Ah! Nanoprobes! Get 'em off! Get 'em off!". And then they'd be part of the collective and...

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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Have sex. Lots of it.

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And this would be different from normal, how?

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you'd be having it with another person and not the toilet brush

*highfives the toilet store*

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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Have sex. Lots of it.

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And this would be different from normal, how?

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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Have sex. Lots of it.

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And this would be different from normal, how?

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you'd be having it with another person and not the toilet brush

*highfives the toilet store*

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At least I'm getting laid outside of prison.

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I don't drink and I suck at darts. Now what do I do?

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Have sex. Lots of it.

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And this would be different from normal, how?

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you'd be having it with another person and not the toilet brush

*highfives the toilet store*

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At least I'm getting laid outside of prison.

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halfway houses don't count

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Except the Borg inject nanoprobes to start the assimilation process, not drugs. The Jedi would have to be able to remove the active machines from their body.

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