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boorite
November 5, 2001 2:35 PM

My wife and I were going to get a kitten to go with our new adopted two-year old cat Murray, but we had a hard time picking just one, and we figured a brother and sister could play together, and. . . I'm sure you can guess the rest. We're now a three-cat family.

Henry's autopsy results came back today, and I thought you cat people might benefit from what we learned. (The vets were so puzzled by his case that they footed the bill to send his kidneys off to Hopkins.) Turns out the acute kidney failure, as well as a couple of previous illnesses, was brought on by a long-term, low level kidney infection called pyelonephritis. He'd had a lower unrinary tract infection months ago, and we beat it with antibiotics, but apparently the bacteria stuck around and made its way up into his kidneys. Most of the time, he didn't appear sick. He was throwing up and running fever once in August, and the vet chalked it up to hairballs giving rise to an opportunistic infection. We treated him with antibiotics again, and he got well, or so we thought.

Just over two months later, Thursday before last, the same symptoms reappeared suddenly-- one minute, he was playing, and the next, he was throwing up-- and although he was still drinking water and seemed alert and all, when we saw he didn't get much better in 48 hours, we took him to the emergency vet. That guy said he didn't see any outward signs of disease, and that sometimes a cat eats something that makes it queasy for a few days, and that basically this was a healthy cat. He wasn't even dehydrated or feverish. The vet was very noncommital about doing blood work and recommended that Henry see his regular vet on Monday. So we did, and by that time-- 36 hours later-- the cat was about three-fourths dead.

He'd been seen by several vets, one a cat specialist, over the past 6 months and even had bloodwork done. Back in August, his vet had detected a slight heart murmur and said that eventually Henry should have a cardiac workup. (A cardiac workup! Even I've never gotten a cardiac workup!) Nothing about the kidneys. Turns out that blood work at that time might have saved him. If we'd got him into the vet that previous Thursday, or if the Saturday vet had had any brains, we might have saved Henry-- maybe. Although this disease can be very hard to detect before it does major damage, it is treatable with an aggressive course of antibiotics.

This is unusual. Healthy kidneys are very resistant to bacterial infection. But it can happen. So if your cat is throwing up, take him to the vet right away. And it can't hurt to check his blood chemistry while you're at it (although even that might not have caught it).

I already knew that a UTI can result in blockage and death very quickly. I also know about the dangers of fever and dehydration and was watching Henry closely for signs. I did not know about acute renal failure from chronic infection. Where I come from, animals get sick and barf sometimes, and you don't call in to work and rush them off to the hospital every time it happens. I figured you watch them for a while, and if they get really bad, or don't improve, it's off to the vet. Well, you can bet your ass that this changed my mind.

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JrnymnNate
November 5, 2001 2:57 PM

My cat has never had these problems. In fact, that's a very good thing because my family says that if the cat ever needed a operation, they wouldn't pay for it cause its just cheaper to get a new one, and the cat isn't worth the money.

But awhile back, Oliver(orange old tabby) got sprayed by a skunk. Really bad. He was in some kind of shock afterwards, being a "mighty hunter and all", he was foaming at the mouth, confused, etc. Afterwards(it took weeks for stink to get off his face, which we couldn't wash), he exhibited some strange psychological differences in his behavior. He was mush more friendly, less violent, and overall nice.

I recommend everyone have their cat sprayed.(by a skunk)

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boorite
November 5, 2001 3:07 PM

Cheaper to get a new one. Geez. I spent four years investing in my relationship with that cat. I know that sounds bizarre to some people, but really, it took a long time for us to grow into each other's habits and to learn each other's games and all that. And not every cat has such a playful, outgoing, gentle personality as Henry. How much is that worth?

(I have to think this way whenever I reach in my coat pocket and feel the vet bill in there. $1000 bucks this episode cost us. AAAARRRRG.)

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wirthling
November 5, 2001 3:10 PM

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My wife and I were going to get a kitten to go with our new adopted two-year old cat Murray, but we had a hard time picking just one, and we figured a brother and sister could play together, and. . . I'm sure you can guess the rest. We're now a three-cat family.

After we move into our new house (looks like December now), my wife wants to add a new kitty to our household. It has required all of my resolve up to this point to prevent us from owning a herd of cats. Up until now, I have had great success using the "how are we going to find an apartment that will let us bring in several cats?" argument, but it would appear that I am doomed now that we are buying a house.

I like cats, but I wish they would just use the toilet and clean up their own puke. Lazy, cute little bastards.

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JrnymnNate
November 5, 2001 3:32 PM

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Cheaper to get a new one
That's what they think. I didn't mean to say me.

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boorite
November 5, 2001 3:38 PM

quote:
quote:
Cheaper to get a new one
That's what they think. I didn't mean to say me.

I know! I wasn't criticizing.

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boorite
November 5, 2001 3:40 PM

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It has required all of my resolve up to this point to prevent us from owning a herd of cats.

Ah yes, Cat Lady Syndrome.

As my friend Nancy once observed: "A cat lady is a bag lady with a house."

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JrnymnNate
November 5, 2001 3:45 PM

yeah- i was just checking. n/o

Another strange thing about my cat is that whenever he gets ticks{and that seems to be more often now} they seem to procced to his neck to feed. We went away for a week awhile ago, and when i came back, he had 1 big one, 3 mid sized, and several smaller ones all over his neck. My grandfather didn't check him, so i guess he just lived with it all that time. He loves me to scratch his neck now.

How many others out there were rooting for the Cats in Cats and Dogs?

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joshw
November 5, 2001 3:57 PM

I hate cats. Dogs are the shit.

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fuzzyman
November 5, 2001 4:10 PM

I had lovely "oyster" colored carpets installed when I bought this place. Now that there are cats here, have been replacing the carpet with carpet patterns and colors that don't show puke and hairball stains.

Which sounds like a great idea, until you step in the puke or vomit that you CAN'T FRIKKING SEE.

"100% Olefin carpet. Recommended by Jimi Hendrix, if we were alive."

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KajunFirefly
November 5, 2001 5:27 PM

cats are generally stoner pets, it's the lazy man's dog. You don't need to walk them or play with them or train them or really even bother to look at them. Some food, somewhere to shit, that's all they want.

I tend to drift off and forget about my cat for a couple of days, fuck, it's a struggle to remember to feed myself

not to mention make it to the toilet in time

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bunnerabb
November 5, 2001 5:44 PM

Russ, my housemate, has an ancient black tom and a small, greyish, I don't know what kind... female kitty.

I feed them now and then and as long as I don't pet them, I'm ok. We just found them. Tom was a street cat for ages and he's in retirement now. The little cat has never been outside and is very squirrely. I don't know much about them, but they're pretty neat.

:- )

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andydougan
November 5, 2001 6:29 PM

My cats throw up quite a lot. I thought it was a cat's way of getting rid of hairballs.

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Spankling
November 5, 2001 7:57 PM

I've had dogs but I don't do the nazi dog-owner crap. True I had to walk them but they generally only obeyed me if they felt like it - just lke cats. I would never buy the kind of dog you had to turn SS on to keep it from biting kids.

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JrnymnNate
November 5, 2001 10:10 PM

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My cats throw up quite a lot. I thought it was a cat's way of getting rid of hairballs.
Mine had the same problem until I switched to purina.

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lara7
November 5, 2001 11:43 PM

quote:
quote:
Cheaper to get a new one
That's what they think. I didn't mean to say me.

wait, is this the cat thread, or the wife thread?

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boorite
November 6, 2001 7:24 AM

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I hate cats.

Then you hate me, motherfucker.

(I mean that in a nice way.)

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boorite
November 6, 2001 7:27 AM

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My cats throw up quite a lot. I thought it was a cat's way of getting rid of hairballs.

That's what I thought until mine keeled over dead.

As long as they're still interested in food and play and all that, I think they're ok. You can control the hairballs with this stuff called LaxAire.

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DexX
November 6, 2001 9:26 AM

My cats are obviously freaks.

They very rarely vomit, at least anywhere I can see it. When they do, it is always due to them eating too much or eating something that doesn't agree with them.

They never, ever go to the toilet where they shouldn't - they both prefer to go outside, and will use the litter tray if they have to.

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attitudechicka
November 6, 2001 9:28 AM

*gives boo a big hug*

Funny, my old kitty's name was Henry and he was exhibiting some of that behavior just before he died, as well. He was so old, though, (about 15 in human years) we just chalked it up to old age. I cried for days (come on, I grew up with that cat) and then we got a dog. Which is never the same. You can't duct tape a dog to the ceiling fan... just kidding. I don't know what I'd do if my new kitty died. Probably fall into a deep depression like I did last time. Anyway, my point is that I'd like to offer my sympathies.

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Spankling
November 6, 2001 11:38 AM

Not that you're looking...

http://www.summum.org/mummification/pets/

But just in case.

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DexX
November 6, 2001 9:08 PM

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I cried for days (come on, I grew up with that cat)...
You're not going to be ridiculed for that around here, chicka. We're all big animal-loving softies.

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attitudechicka
November 7, 2001 7:00 AM

Ah, I've been in full-on badass mode lately. Just trying to prove how tough I am. You scared yet? ;)

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boorite
November 7, 2001 7:29 AM

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*gives boo a big hug*


*smile*

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wirthling
November 19, 2001 7:04 PM

This fawn has diabetes. What do I do?

Actually, it is my cat, Diva, that has just been diagnosed with diabetes. Diva was not satisfied with just having liver and thyroid problems, so she has decided to not process sugars. The vet is doing some additional blood tests (checking fructosamine level) to confirm it, but he is pretty sure.

Diva has been eating a lot, drinking a lot of water, and peeing in various places (outside the litter box). We at first thought it was just a UTI, but the vet found no evidence of such in her urine.

Any advice, doc israphael?

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israphael
November 19, 2001 10:37 PM

We have a saying about diabetes "It's usually not the diabetes that kills an animal, it's the inconvenience."
Controlling diabetes in animal is, in theory, not difficult. But it is rigorous and time consuming. A small amount of cases can be controlled by diet and oral medicines. The majority of cases will have to be treated with injectable insulin.

The first step is to take multiple blood tests to establish a blood sugar baseline. When insulin is started, more blood tests are used to determine the dose of insulin needed to best control the diabetes. After the dose is determined, a tightly controlled schedule of meals, insulin injections, and testing has to be followed on a daily basis. This necessary because when the insulin is given, the blood sugar drops and then slowly climbs during the day. The timing of the meals, shots, and tests are so that the blood sugar is evened out through the day, without it getting dangerously low or too high to be healthy.

Much of the success of the treatment rests both on the owner and on the individual animal. If the owner is will to follow the necessary routine they can have an animal that will lead a relatively healthy life. Of course some animals will tolerate the injections and blood test (performed with a lancet, just like human diabetics) better than others. Thus your personal assessment of the animal's demeanor will be a factor as well.

Good luck

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ObiJo
November 20, 2001 12:30 AM

Ask israphael:

Dear israphael,

My fawn has become uncontrollably randy in the last couple of weeks. I, myself, had my date cancel on me at the last minute. I was wondering if it would be, you know, too weird to, uh, give it the old...ahem...one, two, as it were.

Sincerely,

Big Ed of Big Ed's Tires

Honestly, though, what can be done for a older cat going deaf? One of my cat's is 17, and has basically lost all her hearing. A couple of months ago, she could still hear high tones, so if I whistled real loud, she'd perk up. But now, she doesn't even hear that.

Are there cat hearing aids? Or some medication or treatment for it? She's the sweetest thing.

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wirthling
November 20, 2001 12:04 PM

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After the dose is determined, a tightly controlled schedule of meals, insulin injections, and testing has to be followed on a daily basis. This necessary because when the insulin is given, the blood sugar drops and then slowly climbs during the day. The timing of the meals, shots, and tests are so that the blood sugar is evened out through the day, without it getting dangerously low or too high to be healthy.

Our vet said that daily testing would not be necessary. Instead, he said that we should watch for signs of lethargy. If she gets very lethargic, we are supposed to give her honey to get her blood sugar back up.

Is our vet a quack or his advice just an alternate theory on diabetic pet care?

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israphael
November 20, 2001 2:04 PM

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Our vet said that daily testing would not be necessary. Instead, he said that we should watch for signs of lethargy. If she gets very lethargic, we are supposed to give her honey to get her blood sugar back up.

Is our vet a quack or his advice just an alternate theory on diabetic pet care?



I would go with the recommendations of your vet, he/she is far more familiar with with your cat.

There are many opinions on how often (and if) home blood testing should be performed. Some veterinarians do in in fact suggest on daily testing. That to me seems like overkill. Others suggest that if an animal's diabetes is well controlled there is little need for blood tests, save for periodic ones (approx. once a month) to determine if the dose is still correct. Others take a middle road and suggest testing once a week. These differing opinions represent different takes on how tightly blood sugar should be monitored. Considerations on how difficult the animal is to work with and how difficult it is to control a given case must be factored in. However, even in well controlled case, blood tests maybe needed to be performed for situations such as change in diet, change of insulin preparation being used, and illness.

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wirthling
November 20, 2001 2:54 PM

Thanks, israphael.

Another question: To measure the cat's sugar levels, does one use the same kind of glucometer that human diabetics use?

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israphael
November 20, 2001 3:11 PM

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Thanks, israphael.

Another question: To measure the cat's sugar levels, does one use the same kind of glucometer that human diabetics use?



Yes. Here is a site that gives an overview of home blood sugar testing.

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boorite
November 20, 2001 3:36 PM

Argh. I have enough trouble getting medicine down the cat's throat. When Henry was in kidney failure, the vet said if he got better (which he didn't), we might be able to take him home and maintain him for a while on subcutaneous fluids. And I'm thinking, I can barely remember to drink a glass of water now and then, and I'm gonna maintain the cat on subcutaneous fluids. Some people do it for a long time, though.

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Jael
November 20, 2001 5:27 PM

hey boofus...I can completely relate. Breezy The Hell cat just up and started dying at the end of September. By the time I got her to the vet the next morning at 7 am...she was already in the process of shutting down, her lungs had collapsed, so I had to put her to sleep. I didn't want to do an autopsy, I couldn't deal with it. But after researching her symptoms, she too appears to have died of renal failure.

She was 8...had the hairball thing going on since she was a Norwegian Forest Cat...but I too thought it was normal. She just seemed like she was settling into old age and getting slower. Then *poof*..all in one day..the vomiting..the hanging over the waterbowl..the loss of all motor functions. I felt like an idiot for not noticing a lot more of the symptoms sooner. I've held off getting another kitten yet though.

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andydougan
November 20, 2001 6:45 PM

It appears most people here have proper jobs like vets. Makes film critics seem a bit frivolous.

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Spankling
November 20, 2001 6:48 PM

It appears most of us are unemployed - in America anyway.

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ObiJo
November 20, 2001 9:23 PM

quote:
Honestly, though, what can be done for a older cat going deaf? One of my cat's is 17, and has basically lost all her hearing. A couple of months ago, she could still hear high tones, so if I whistled real loud, she'd perk up. But now, she doesn't even hear that.

Are there cat hearing aids? Or some medication or treatment for it? She's the sweetest thing.


Any help on this, israphael?

I'm looking online, but with not much luck. I was looking for a veterinarian version of WebMD, so I tried a search for WebVD. Boy, what a can of worms that opened up.

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israphael
November 21, 2001 3:00 AM

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Ask israphael:

Dear israphael,

My fawn has become uncontrollably randy in the last couple of weeks.



Ed you know you can Miss Cleo anything. Let's look and see what the Tarot cards tell us. I see the One of Buttplugs. That means your fawn is seeing another man. She is seeing your podiatrist. But you know that already. You're just living in denial, you poor bastard.

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Honestly, though, what can be done for a older cat going deaf?

I thought that was a good question, so I went looking up on the subject. What I got was a long list of possible causes but little to nothing in terms of treatment.

Because I've never seen your beastie and I know very little about him/her, I can't even begin to diagnose the problem. But, as you haven't mentioned other signs of neurological disease (circling, head pressing, etc.) or the fact that your cat enjoys listening to loud heavy metal music, I would venture a guess that old age is the likely cause. I am sure by now they have better diagnostics than I am familiar with. However it is most likely the only certain thing you will know after a round of expensive tests is that your cat is deaf.

As for practical advice I have very little. I hope your cat is an indoor cat as a deaf cat is at an disadvantage when dealing with car and dogs. Avoid startling your cat, as they might nip or scratch you if surprised. Approach it from the front, make sure he/she sees you or feels your footsteps before touching him/her.

I don't know of any hearing aids for animals, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I sure someone out there is working on them as we speak. However, it is necessary to determine the type of deafness your animal has as it may not be amenable to treatment. Then again you have to consider the cost.

Not much help I'm afraid. Good luck with your elderly friend. I know what it is like, I once had a old blind cat that lived a long happy life.

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boorite
November 21, 2001 9:15 AM

Hi, Jael, glad to see you again, though I wish the topic were happier. I hope you adopt a cat or kitten soon.

This morning, I dropped off big cat Murray and kittens Pepper and Clovis at the vet for a week of boarding. I just about couldn't stand it. They were happy zipping around the apartment and lounging in the sunlight from the glass doors. Now they're going to be in kennels for a week.

I'm such a patsy for anything with paws.

Anyway, Murray got an interesting problem-- an abcess in his left front paw, right over where his thumb claw used to be. (His former owners apparently declawed him.) The dewclaw might have not been completely removed and a new, abnormal one might be growing in its place and causing an infection. Whee!

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wirthling
November 21, 2001 12:54 PM

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This morning, I dropped off big cat Murray and kittens Pepper and Clovis at the vet for a week of boarding. I just about couldn't stand it. They were happy zipping around the apartment and lounging in the sunlight from the glass doors. Now they're going to be in kennels for a week.

Next time you go away (and after my house is finished), I'd be happy to cat-sit for you. I would feed them and play with them and I wouldn't torture them very much...

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boorite
November 21, 2001 12:59 PM

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Next time you go away (and after my house is finished), I'd be happy to cat-sit for you. I would feed them and play with them and I wouldn't torture them very much...
Thanks! These cats are heavily into torture.

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ObiJo
November 21, 2001 7:45 PM

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Honestly, though, what can be done for a older cat going deaf?
As for practical advice I have very little. I hope your cat is an indoor cat as a deaf cat is at an disadvantage when dealing with car and dogs. Avoid startling your cat, as they might nip or scratch you if surprised. Approach it from the front, make sure he/she sees you or feels your footsteps before touching him/her.

I don't know of any hearing aids for animals, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I sure someone out there is working on them as we speak. However, it is necessary to determine the type of deafness your animal has as it may not be amenable to treatment. Then again you have to consider the cost.

Not much help I'm afraid. Good luck with your elderly friend. I know what it is like, I once had a old blind cat that lived a long happy life.


Actually, that's very helpful. I was thinking there wasn't much I could do as far as treatment, either. It's just that it would be hard to live with myself if I find out in a couple of years that there was something I could have been doing for her all this time.

My kitty, Theresa, doesn't seem to give a damn. She's as happy as ever. (Maybe happier: the vacuum no longer bothers her. :) She is an inside cat, so no worries there. And even when I surprise her, she doesn't get nippy. Just not her nature.

The more I hear some of the unfortunate occurences and illnesses of everyone else's cats, the more grateful I feel about mine. My cat Morris lived 17 years before passing, my cat Theresa is 17 now, and my youngest cat, Baby, is ten years and going strong. (Knock on Spankling's wood.)

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Spankling
November 21, 2001 9:39 PM

ouch ouch ouch

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