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fpd
January 10, 2002 9:44 AM

Yesterday, I got some books on the seven deadly sins from the library, and one of them had a chapter that was especially relevant to the contest I am running this week. The book is Creed or Chaos? by Dorothy L. Sayers, and the chapter was called "The Other Six Deadly Sins." It was given as an address in 1941 to some association whose name was omitted from the book. Here is the first paragraph:

"Perhaps the bitterest commentary on the way in which Christian doctrine has been taught in the last few centuries is the fact that to the majority of people the word 'immorality' has come to mean one thing and one thing only. The name of an association like yours is generally held to imply that you are concerned to correct only one sin out of those seven which the Church recognizes as captial. By a hideous irony, our shrinking reprobation of that sin has made us too delicate so much as to name it, so that we have come to use for it the words which were made to cover the whole range of human corruption. A man may be greedy and selfish; spiteful, cruel, jealous, and unjust; violent and brutal; grasping, unscrupulous, and a liar; stubborn and arrogant; stupid, morose, and dead to every noble instinct--and still we are ready to say of him that he us not an immoral man. I am reminded of a young man who once said to me with perfect simplicity: 'I did not know there were seven deadly sins: please tell me the names of the other six.'"

The sin she speaks of is Lust, the same sin I left out of my "The Other Deadly Sins" contest. I'm a humanist, not a Christian, and I'm not trying to start a theological conversation here. The point I would like to raise is that even today, what she says about lust, vis-a-vis the other sins, is true, and it is even reflected in the content of this site. Even today, people tend to identify immorality with lust more than with any other vice. Immorality has even become, in some ways, a synonym of lust, even though there is much more to to it than just one vice.

Consider what one of the biggest objections to the internet is. It is that people (and especially children) can download pornography from it. While there is also some concern about people reading hate propaganda over the internet, the uproar concerning this doesn't seem as great, and there seems to be dead silence concerning how the internet might fuel pride, envy, greed, gluttony, or sloth. Likewise, an X rating, whose original intention was to identify movies unsuitable for any children, has become synonymous with pornography. Gruesome violence normally just gets an R rating. A movie can show all kinds of wickedness, but so long as it doesn't have too much sex, it normally doesn't merit an X or an NC-17. And the first movie to get an NC-17 rating, Henry and June, was a wonderful movie with nothing objectionable about it except maybe a bit too much softcore sex.

Turning to the content of this site, so many strips are about lust in one way or another. It seems that lust gets more laughs than other sins do, because it remains more taboo. Also, strips on lust seem to be focused on the more taboo areas, such as anal sex, bestiality, and homosexuality. Speaking for myself, my own strips on lust are mainly on these and other taboo subjects, not about ordinary sexual desire between man and wife. There seems to be more humor in skirting around taboos than in going where taboos are absent.

In mentioning all this, I am not saying anything against the content of this site. I am just saying that it serves as a mirror to our culture. It reflects the taboos, concerns, and mores of society by playing with the subjects that are touchiest for many people. What I am concerned about is the lopsided way in which lust is given the brunt of people's moral condemnation. It is really damning to be called a pervert, but not so damning to be called vengeful, egotistical, envious, greedy, gluttonous, or apathetic. Comments?

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JrnymnNate
January 10, 2002 11:10 AM

A detailed and thoughtfull comment will be provided once I get my internet connection back and can type from my own room.

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Spankling
January 10, 2002 11:58 AM

Do I havta read the first post?

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 12:08 PM

Would it make any difference to what you reply, anyway?

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DH-01
January 10, 2002 12:29 PM

Needs more sodomy.

Seriously... yeah.

Sex sells. Sex is amusing. Sex is disgusting. Sex is dirty. Sex is just about everything you can think of, which makes it a very ripe target for, well, comedy, be it simple, blue or outright black.

As you can see, many of us have fixated on the concept of a giant red robot anally wrecking people while shouting. I hope to GOD (I, last I checked, am a very not-tightassed Christian) that our children do not create giant red assrape robots.

That would not be good.

... or would it?

-DH1

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 12:37 PM

DH-01 says:

quote:
...I...am...very...tightassed...assrape...would...be good.


(password: quoteme)

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kaufman
January 10, 2002 12:40 PM

quote:
As you can see, many of us have fixated on the concept of a giant red robot anally wrecking people while shouting. I hope to GOD (I, last I checked, am a very not-tightassed Christian) that our children do not create giant red assrape robots.

That would not be good.

... or would it?


That depends. Presumably, if they were built to Asimovian specifications, all their buggery would be fully consensual. Using specially designed robots could also reduce the incidence of STDs. Plus, robotic construction would be a better outlet for our kids than just vegetating in front of video games and MTV and pr0n and stripcreator.com.

Plus, then maybe the children would get around to building small, orientomorphic fellatio vending machines. Or rappers with feet where their ears should be. Or large wooden Cthulhus.

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kaufman
January 10, 2002 12:42 PM

Oh, I'm sorry. What was the question again?

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 12:47 PM

I blame the Catholics.

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DH-01
January 10, 2002 1:37 PM

quote:
DH-01 says:
quote:
...I...am...very...tightassed...assrape...would...be good.


(password: quoteme)

... well, in many cases, assrape is good. Not when it happens to me, mind you.

And, for the record, I'm a habitual jogger so I'm VERY tightassed, yo. A buggerer's dream.

-DH1

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 1:44 PM

quote:
assrape is good... when it happens to me, mind you.

-DH1


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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 1:47 PM

MrSelectiveQuote says:

quote:
assrape...me

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 1:50 PM

Oh dear. And things can only go dowbhill from here.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 1:53 PM

quote:
Oh dear... go dowb. {sic}

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NeoVid
January 10, 2002 2:43 PM

I think anger is the worst sin, since it tends to lead to many of the others. That's why I gave up experiencing it a couple of years ago.

I am religious, and so some things that seem minor to other people really can disturb me, like one guy I knew who said "Hate is good for the soul." So, why is it one of the seven deadlies, then?

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boorite
January 10, 2002 3:00 PM

All the deadly sins lead to other sins. That's the definition of a deadly sin. "The seven capital sins, so called, may be considered as the source from which other sins proceed" (Catholic Encyclopedia).

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 3:05 PM

Hmm. Did you just get biblical on his ass? I'd like to think so.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 3:09 PM

Tom_O_Bedlam says:

quote:
Did you just get...on his ass? I'd like to...

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boorite
January 10, 2002 3:10 PM

More like medieval on his ass, I think. Wasn't this old Tommy Aquinas?

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andydougan
January 10, 2002 4:01 PM

I'm certain I'm in the minority here, but I've never really found Tobor all that funny. Anal rape is moderately amusing for a few comics, but it really starts to get tired after the hundreds that have been churned out on the subject. The joke has been stretched as far as Tobor's victims' anuses. Dr Pedantic and the various Captains are much cleverer ideas.
Having said that, many of my own comics contain playground jokes about sex. But I don't find them very funny either.

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KajunFirefly
January 10, 2002 4:16 PM

The moronic bog standard Tobor jokes are quite crap, newbie efforts trying to fit in, but I like Tobor as a passing character, he's gained cult status. Fuzzyman uses him well, and anti-Tobor in-jokes are great, but yeah, "RAAAR TOBOR WILL CORNHOLE YOU NOW!" is pretty lame.

The biscuit game is reaching maximum on the groanometer these days.

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 4:20 PM

I like Tobor, he's a card. I've managed to refrain from using him excessively, I hope.

I like the rotor turbine cowboys much more, myself.

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KajunFirefly
January 10, 2002 4:33 PM

I still like the original "Cowboy Physics" comic, by Max, it's clever, but the 'Physics 101' thread killed the joke, it just went on too long.

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 4:39 PM

Some jokes never die.

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bunnerabb
January 10, 2002 4:44 PM

Lust rocks.

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 10, 2002 4:53 PM

That'd be a cool euphemism for testicles.

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KajunFirefly
January 10, 2002 4:57 PM

Dammit you post-monkey, shut the fuck up!

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wirthling
January 10, 2002 5:04 PM

quote:
That'd be a cool euphemism for testicles.

How about "spunkmarbles"?

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Geniu$
January 10, 2002 5:10 PM

man-barnacles

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DH-01
January 10, 2002 5:14 PM

Creampuffs?

-DH1

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trollgurl69
January 10, 2002 5:17 PM

quote:
man-barnacles

Dammit you post-monkey, shut the fuck up!

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 10, 2002 5:35 PM

quote:
... fuck... the... monkey... dammit...

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fpd
January 10, 2002 8:20 PM

quote:
Sex sells. Sex is amusing. Sex is disgusting. Sex is dirty. Sex is just about everything you can think of, which makes it a very ripe target for, well, comedy, be it simple, blue or outright black.

-DH1



Yes, lust may be more multi-faceted than other deadly sins. We're strongly drawn to it, but not with anyone. Contrast lust with gluttony. Food is a passive object, whereas another human being is not. In gluttony, there is no tension between the glutton and his food. It is just there to be consumed. But with lust, there is tension between the luster and the lustee. If Tobor tells a sandwich that he's going to eat him, it doesn't matter, because a sandwich doesn't care. But when Tobor tells a human that he will cornhole him, there is tension between Tobor's intention and the desires of his victim. The humor may be found in this tension. This opens up a new question. With respect to the other deadly sins, what kinds of tensions do they involve that could be exploited for the sake of humor?

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DH-01
January 10, 2002 8:28 PM

For something like gluttony, you get into ideas like Fat Bastard and Cookie Monster... but I better not continue this train of thought, because I just finished ten comics in a row, and my brain's not tuned for actual civilized conversation.

-DH1

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boorite
January 11, 2002 7:50 AM

Actually, folks, anyone who eats or drinks solely for pleasure commits the sin of gluttony. Soy el glutton grande.

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boorite
January 11, 2002 8:09 AM

The whole point of the Tobor thing is to see how far you can run it into the ground. Sure, it may not be funny in the usual sense. It's a postmodern kind of funny, where the joke is about the sign ("RAAAAAAR! TOBOR WILL CORNHOLE YOU!") becoming privileged over the referent (an actually funny idea or occurrence). It's just the Stripcreator equivalent of:

"To the moon, Alice!"

"Loooo-cy!"

"Meathead!"

"This is the big one!"

"Excuuuuuse me!"

"We are two wild and crazy guys!"

"I'll buy that for a dollar!"

"Ay, carumba!"

"They killed Kenny!"

"AYBABTU"

...among countless others. The pomo punchline is one that has transcended the joke and taken on its own life. It is not funny. That's what's so funny.

Ha. Ha.

Long live Tobor.

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 11, 2002 8:12 AM

Like the entire 'Fast Show', in fact.

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boorite
January 11, 2002 8:25 AM

quote:
quote:
... fuck... the... monkey... dammit...


"Selective" quoting does not give one the privilege of getting the words out of order.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 11, 2002 9:52 AM

quote:
Like the entire 'Fast Show', in fact.

Or selective quotations from it.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 11, 2002 12:35 PM

JrnyMate says:

quote:
I like...men's...asses!

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Tom_O_Bedlam
January 11, 2002 12:39 PM

That's not a selective quote, that's an outright fabrication.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 11, 2002 12:41 PM

quote:
That's not a selective quote, that's an outright fabrication.

Oh, I'm sure he has said that on more than one occasion.

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MrSelectiveQuote
January 11, 2002 1:04 PM

Gee it looks like I was a real asshole for a minute there.

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DrPedantic
January 11, 2002 1:59 PM

quote:
Gee it looks like I was a real asshole for a minute there.
Don't worry about it, it happens to me all the time.

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