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JrnymnNate
January 12, 2002 1:15 PM

From "The Anatomy of Motive" by John Douglas:

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It comes as no surprise that children with violent, antisocial tendencies often mistreat animals or smaller children. It might not even be surprising that these kids can be bed-wetters, since everything we know about them suggests an underlying frustration with their lack of control. It's the third part of the homicidal triad that presents the most intriguing challenge to our knowledge of the criminal mind. What is it about fire starting that captures the imaginations of so many future predators?
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Often while watching the fire- Berkowitz told us when we interviewed him in Attica- he would stand to the side and masturbate; this indicates that arson is very often a sexually based crime. He talked a lot about masturbation, and I asked him if he had “a problem with masturbation”, a question that would make it’s way into our questionnaire.
“Yes,” he replied.
“To this day?” I asked.
“Yes, to this day.”
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As I began to understand the relationship between setting fire and self-arousal, I used to advise detectives to have a crime scene photographer take crowd photos at suspicious blazes and then study them afterward. If you found a guy jerking off, with a transfixed look, there was an excellent chance he was your arsonist.
Once I mentioned this to some detectives from the NYPD. “That may work in other parts of the country Douglas, but here in New York, this is the big time! You go to practically any big sized fire, and look at the crowd, you’re going to find several masturbators, some urinators, who the hell knows what else!”

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JrnymnNate
January 12, 2002 1:36 PM

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Just as an individual's background, education, and vocational experiences may be reflected in the type of crime he commits, so his personality is reflected in the particulars of the specific crime he chooses. For example, we can classify and analyze arson just as we do rape.
The inadequate, nuisance-type arsonist would correlate to what we classify as the power-reassurance rapist, a sexually and socially in adequate offender who rapes to convince himself of his own power and self-worth and often feels guilty about the assault immediately afterward. He may even apologize to his victim before leaving the scene. On the other hand, an arsonist who sets fire to a populated apartment house and takes pleasture and satisfaction in watching people jumping out of windows and fleeing for their lives would correspond to the power-assertive rapist, who, as the term suggests, assaults because he enjoys the power and control over other people. He would be a very violent rapist who would enjoy watching his victim cry and suffer.
As with any other violent crime, the details of the arson lead you to the motive and, therefore, the personality type of the offender. Keep in mind tough, that any nuisance arsonist can escalate if his life situation or emotional state deteriorates. It’s the fantasy that comes first, which is why both rapists and arsonists usually start out as Peeping Toms.
I’ve found that investigators and others in and around law enforcement frequently confuse the terms “motive” and “intent”. Intent refers simply to the deliberateness of the act- consciously choosing to commit the crime. Motive is the offender’s reason for setting the fire, and there are seven basic arson motives that we encounter frequently: fraud; pyromania; crime concealment; vanity; spite or revenge; civil disorder; political or revolutionary activity; and the simplest of juveniles and adolescents playing with fire.

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:00 PM

my god, you didn't have to take it to heart !

What other psychological damage have I done ?

P.S. And, so, where do you fit into this ?

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JrnymnNate
January 12, 2002 7:15 PM

It was some reading I was doing and felt like sharing it... I don't really think that all Firestarters are like that.

besides, youve just revealed the damage, not caused it!:)

I think we need a list of our pyromaniacs and their traits...

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:20 PM

I'll let you work on that one. Like I told
bunnerabb, I've become so obsessed with this
forum it's like a new toy I can't put down.

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JrnymnNate
January 12, 2002 7:23 PM

Here they are:


  • JrnymnNate: Pyromaniac

  • Kevin Kegan's Perm: Pyromaniac

  • Kajun Firefly: Pyromaniac(set fire to a rat)

  • evil_d: Pyromaniac

Let's get dangerous.

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:31 PM

quote:
From "The Anatomy of Motive" by John Douglas:
quote:
It comes as no surprise that children with violent, antisocial tendencies often mistreat animals or smaller children. It might not even be surprising that these kids can be bed-wetters, since everything we know about them suggests an underlying frustration with their lack of control. It's the third part of the homicidal triad that presents the most intriguing challenge to our knowledge of the criminal mind. What is it about fire starting that captures the imaginations of so many future predators?



OK, this would be Kevin Keegans Perm, no?

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:33 PM

I'm sorry, I meant that one would be
Kajun Firefly

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andydougan
January 12, 2002 7:37 PM

You were probably right both times.

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:38 PM

quote:
From "The Anatomy of Motive" by John Douglas:
quote:
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Often while watching the fire- Berkowitz told us when we interviewed him in Attica- he would stand to the side and masturbate; this indicates that arson is very often a sexually based crime. He talked a lot about masturbation, and I asked him if he had “a problem with masturbation”, a question that would make it’s way into our questionnaire.
“Yes,” he replied.
“To this day?” I asked.
“Yes, to this day.”
…
As I began to understand the relationship between setting fire and self-arousal, I used to advise detectives to have a crime scene photographer take crowd photos at suspicious blazes and then study them afterward. If you found a guy jerking off, with a transfixed look, there was an excellent chance he was your arsonist.



This one goes to evil_d

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:40 PM

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I’ve found that investigators and others in and around law enforcement frequently confuse the terms “motive” and “intent”. Intent refers simply to the deliberateness of the act- consciously choosing to commit the crime. Motive is the offender’s reason for setting the fire, and there are seven basic arson motives that we encounter frequently: fraud; pyromania; crime concealment; vanity; spite or revenge; civil disorder; political or revolutionary activity; and the simplest of juveniles and adolescents playing with fire.



We forgot Jael, I think for her it would be
a vanity, or political statement.

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:42 PM

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As with any other violent crime, the details of the arson lead you to the motive and, therefore, the personality type of the offender. Keep in mind tough, that any nuisance arsonist can escalate if his life situation or emotional state deteriorates. It’s the fantasy that comes first, which is why both rapists and arsonists usually start out as Peeping Toms.



This is Kevin Keegans Perm

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pita
January 12, 2002 7:45 PM

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The inadequate, nuisance-type arsonist would correlate to what we classify as the power-reassurance rapist, a sexually and socially in adequate offender who rapes to convince himself of his own power and self-worth and often feels guilty about the assault immediately afterward. He may even apologize to his victim before leaving the scene. On the other hand, an arsonist who sets fire to a populated apartment house and takes pleasture and satisfaction in watching people jumping out of windows and fleeing for their lives would correspond to the power-assertive rapist, who, as the term suggests, assaults because he enjoys the power and control over other people. He would be a very violent rapist who would enjoy watching his victim cry and suffer.



Nate, my friend, guess what that leaves for you...

I'm kidding about all of this - NO OFFENSE intended!

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andydougan
January 12, 2002 7:46 PM

Too late. You'll be hearing from my lawyers in the morning.

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pita
January 12, 2002 8:45 PM

But, unless you've somehow figured out that
I'm an alter-ego of bunnerabb's, you have no
idea where to send your lawyer, do you ?
Mwuuhaha

Nate, you just disappeared... are
you upset with me ?

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Spankling
January 12, 2002 9:02 PM

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pita
January 12, 2002 9:10 PM

Cool ! It had to be Jael, don't you think ?

If she can disguise herself as

Ms. Undulating Nipples of FIRE, I wouldn't

put it past her to disguise herself as a

51 yr. old pyromaniac artist !!!

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wirthling
January 13, 2002 1:22 PM

Kajun isn't a pyro. He's just half-flammable.

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bunnerabb
January 13, 2002 2:03 PM

Nazi Hitler bollocks.

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KajunFirefly
January 13, 2002 3:17 PM

I really should have read this post sooner,

first off, I set fire to a DEAD rat, so I wasn't honing my predator skills or unleashing the frustration that I got from wetting the bed or being picked on.

I just had time to spare, some petrol, a dead rat and a lighter. It wasn't calculated or anything, just a way to pass 5 minutes of my day.

secondly:

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Kajun isn't a pyro. He's just half-flammable.

you're right, I get it from my dad's side!

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