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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 4:55 PM

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A jury Wednesday awarded a cancer-stricken smoker more than $3 billion from tobacco giant Philip Morris, the largest judgment against a cigarette maker in a lawsuit brought by an individual.

The Superior Court jury found against Philip Morris on all six claims of fraud, negligence and making a defective product.

Richard Boeken, 56, of Topanga was awarded $3 billion in punitive damages and $5.5 million in general damages.

``We thought that figure would hurt them, make them stand up and take notice,'' juror Denise Key said of the punitive damages. ``We want them to be responsible, to put on their product that the product will kill so when you smoke you smoke at your own risk.''

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 5:08 PM

My apologies to any smokers here, but how the hell to people start smoking in the first place? You don't need a bunch of fucking genius researchers to tell you that smoking is bad. Jam your head in a chimney and take a deep breath. Or walk through a small, crowded bar filled with smokers and hang out for a couple minutes.

Even if everyone else was doing it, even if it was clinically proven to be absolutely safe, I still wouldn't even begin to think about smoking. Just sniffing my clothes after a night out makes me want to barf.

When are people gonna start suing the liquor companies 'cause their livers are wrecked? Can I sue someone for eating paste in kindergarten because now I have chronic headaches and I'm sure the two are related?

Come to think of it, for those of you that are smoking... why the hell are you doing it? Do you really not care what it's doing to you? Or don't you believe it? And if later on in life, you get cancer or the like, are you gonna bitch about it?

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Scyess
June 6, 2001 5:12 PM

Not to put a damper on anyone's rage, but what the "jury awards" the plantiff is rarely ever what the plantiff actually receives. That our moronic fellow citizens award numbers higher than they can count is usually taken into account by the judge, who knocks down the settlement to a reasonable sum. I'd be surprised if the guy got even a million above his medical costs.

(I know, it's still a million bucks right? Where's my lighter...)

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wirthling
June 6, 2001 5:23 PM

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Come to think of it, for those of you that are smoking... why the hell are you doing it?

I smoke just to annoy you.

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ObiJo
June 6, 2001 5:29 PM

My superego's out screwing some hooker (it's not really like him, I know), so only these two have something to say.

Ego:

Everyone knows that smoking kills them. The exception being those who start smoking before the surgeon general's warning 40 years or so ago.

IMO, people (mostly kids) first try cigarettes for the sake of experimentation or rebellion. They stay smoking for the first year or so because they get a buzz off it. They stay longer than that because they're hooked.

Id:

IF I HEAR ONE MORE OF YOU WHINY FUCKS TELLING ME MY CIGARETTE SMOKE IS BOTHERING YOU, I'M GONNA SHOVE THE BUTT SO FAR UP YOUR ASS, YOU'RE GONNA FART SMOKE RINGS FOR A WEEK.

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ladyjdotnet
June 6, 2001 6:09 PM

I started out by smoking cloves. They smell and taste yummy, and it was something to do with my hands in social situations when I felt awkward. I gradually became addicted.

People drink alcohol in large quantities even though it's bad for them. People eat steak. People skydive. People ride in NYC yellow cabs. We do a LOT of destructive and potentially destructive things to ourselves.

In any event, I quit about 4 months ago, and I've been having a really hard time of it lately. I actually had a cigarette in my mouth with the lighter poised, but I made myself wait a little while longer in case the craving passed. Although it did not pass completely, I managed to wrestle control of it. I am (currently) still a non-smoker. I have this internal struggle to look forward to on and off for the rest of my life.

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 6:19 PM

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Not to put a damper on anyone's rage, but what the "jury awards" the plantiff is rarely ever what the plantiff actually receives. That our moronic fellow citizens award numbers higher than they can count is usually taken into account by the judge, who knocks down the settlement to a reasonable sum. I'd be surprised if the guy got even a million above his medical costs.

(I know, it's still a million bucks right? Where's my lighter...)


Just like Matt Damon and Cancer Boy in 'The Rainmaker'. But it still sounds impressive, doesn't it?

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 6:20 PM

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I smoke just to annoy you.

Your existence annoys me.

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 6:23 PM

Hey, my number of posts is 747! Just like the plane. At least it is until I post again. Then it'll be all fucked up.

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 6:23 PM

Um...

Apparently 737 + 1 = 738. Not 747.

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ObiJo
June 6, 2001 6:25 PM

738? You're not at 738. Better take off your shoes and count again.

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gabe_billings
June 6, 2001 6:46 PM

I tried. I got up to eight and ran out of toes. But ask your sister to come over. Then I can make it all the way up to twenty!

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wirthling
June 6, 2001 6:54 PM

quote:
Um...

Apparently 737 + 1 = 738. Not 747.



Non-smokers (well non-cigarette-smokers, anyway) suck at math...

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evil_d
June 6, 2001 7:23 PM

http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php?ID=20919
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Far be it from me to question your god-given right to treat your own body as you see fit. But to turn around and whine about it when your actions have undesirable consequences? Fuck that.

On another note, this is the first comic I've written in a long time that I've really liked. Thanks, Gabe.

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gabe_billings
June 7, 2001 2:51 AM

quote:

On another note, this is the first comic I've written in a long time that I've really liked. Thanks, Gabe.

You're welcome.

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DexX
June 7, 2001 8:24 AM

Italicised bits are from LadyJ...
People drink alcohol in large quantities even though it's bad for them.
Alcohol makes you feel relaxed and happy. Sure, it has bad effects like being sick and having a hangover, but it's worth it, really. Severe biological damage is caused only by prolonged and persistent overuse.

People eat steak.
Steak tastes really good, and is extremely nutritious. It's few bad qualities are easily counteracted by trimming it of fat and grilling, rather than frying, it.

People skydive.
Haven't done this, but I want to, because it is a HUGE rush, and really quite safe if you stick with a reputable company with good safety standards. We haven't had a parachuting death in Australia for years, and thousands of Aussies do it for a hobby.

Cigarettes give you nothing except lightheadedness, due to oxygen starvation. They taste bad, smell bad, don't make you high, don't make you happy (unless you are already addicted, and then you NEED them in order to be happy), make your hair and clothes and mouth taste bad (that old ad campaign "kiss a non-smoker, enjoy the difference" was absolutely right) and, of course, damage your health to the point where they eventually kill you.

Alcohol only kills you if you have a helluva lot of it. Steak might eventually kill you if you leave the fat on and deep-fry it in walrus blubber before eating it. Parachuting only kills you if you do it incorrectly.

Sorry, but the analogy doesn't ring true.

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boorite
June 7, 2001 8:52 AM

Actually, nicotine improves performance on mental tasks. It's a stimulant. It feels great to smoke, especially when you're drinking. Stimulant + depressant = whole different drug. It also feels great when you're playing cards or cracking your head over some programming problem. Believe it or not, decent tobacco tastes good, too, especially with beer. But I quit because it stinks and it kills you, so it's not worth the fun.

When you don't understand someone else's pleasure, it's normal to think they're just stupid. But usually, there's a little more to it.

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boorite
June 7, 2001 9:07 AM

Oh, I forgot: Smoking irritates the throat and lungs, causing release of endorphins. Similar to "runner's high" without all that bothersome effort.

Just a few of the many dubious advantages of tobacco...

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skagg
June 7, 2001 11:04 AM

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Stimulant + depressant = whole different drug.

Why not try a non-carcenogenic stimulant?

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boorite
June 7, 2001 11:20 AM

Smoking gets the drug in quicker and with a higher peak. Very reinforcing. Anyone who smokes with beer knows just what I'm talking about. But yes, it's better not to get cancer, heart disease, or emphysema.

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boorite
June 7, 2001 12:26 PM

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But I do agree that the US has turned into the whiniest, suingest bunch of pansies on Earth.

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skagg
June 7, 2001 1:45 PM

im great!!

i dont eat at macdonalds or places such as ~
i dont have a car (i even resorted to one of those microscooters today to get to a mates fast, but i tell you they arent great when u got a bag, a bass, and a sweter hanging on yer back plus a fuucking hevvy amp in your hand)
i dont smoke
what else...

oh fuck it, i am satan

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boorite
June 7, 2001 1:53 PM

quote:
im great!!

i dont eat at macdonalds or places such as ~
i dont have a car (i even resorted to one of those microscooters today to get to a mates fast, but i tell you they arent great when u got a bag, a bass, and a sweter hanging on yer back plus a fuucking hevvy amp in your hand)
i dont smoke
what else...

oh fuck it, i am satan



No, I admit, you're great. I'd ride to work on a scooter, but I wouldn't even make it out of the parking lot of my apartment building. Aggressive drivers.

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skagg
June 7, 2001 1:59 PM

Would you ride a Scooter to work if this was your place of work?!

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ladyjdotnet
June 7, 2001 3:06 PM

quote:
When you don't understand someone else's pleasure, it's normal to think they're just stupid. But usually, there's a little more to it.



I won't try to defend my "reasons" for starting to smoke. It was a bad idea, and I'll pay for it for the rest of my life.

However, thinking that what you don't understand is stupid is only normal because being narrow-minded and egotistical is normal.

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gabe_billings
June 7, 2001 3:21 PM

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Oh, I forgot: Smoking irritates the throat and lungs, causing release of endorphins. Similar to "runner's high" without all that bothersome effort.



And if smoking and running are too much for you, a little S&M session should do just the trick. Bouts of masochism can bring the endorphins running too.

Not that I'd know, though.

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ObiJo
June 7, 2001 4:49 PM

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I won't try to defend my "reasons" for starting to smoke. It was a bad idea, and I'll pay for it for the rest of my life.
That's my opinion as well. However, those who decry smoking, but pass drinking off as relatively harmless haven't been doing their homework. Alcohol-related car accidents alone blow that out of the water.

quote:
People drink alcohol in large quantities even though it's bad for them.
Alcohol makes you feel relaxed and happy. Sure, it has bad effects like being sick and having a hangover, but it's worth it, really.
Spoken like a true alcoholic. ;)

quote:
But I do agree that the US has turned into the whiniest, suingest bunch of pansies on Earth.
I'm not far from believing this, but I still hold out that France still has us beat.

As David Letterman once said: George Burns, dead at 100. See....smoking kills.

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ObiJo
June 7, 2001 5:53 PM

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That's if you are stupid enough to drink and drive. It's not like smoking and driving can kill people. That's not really a valid comparison because smoking doesn't impair your ability to preform basic tasks (except breathe).
You just agreed with me.

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kaufman
June 7, 2001 6:48 PM

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boorite
June 8, 2001 8:39 AM

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However, thinking that what you don't understand is stupid is only normal because being narrow-minded and egotistical is normal.

More like universal, wouldn't you say?

For instance, let's say someone doesn't see what's funny about someone else's running jokes and so declares such jokes not clever, i.e., stupid.

Seems parallel to someone who doesn't see the attraction to smoking and so declares it merely stupid.

Why does anyone do this? Because they're just STUPID!

Hahaha, I slay myself. No, seriously, aren't we all vain hypocrites?

You probably won't pay for smoking for the rest of your life. Quitting vastly improves your prospects for good health. The risk I worry most about is driving.

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DexX
June 8, 2001 8:56 AM

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Oh, it's over already? Damn...

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boorite
June 8, 2001 9:05 AM

Don't worry, Dexx. You Aussies know how to get a fight going again. Just break a bottle over someone's head.

By the way, drinking beer is so stupid...

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Spankling
June 8, 2001 9:10 AM

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By the way, drinking beer is so stupid...

Hmmmm... Do you think I could get a beer company to give me the billions up front for the damage their product is doing to my liver? It would sure help pay for the beer.

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ladyjdotnet
June 8, 2001 9:13 AM

quote:
quote:
However, thinking that what you don't understand is stupid is only normal because being narrow-minded and egotistical is normal.

More like universal, wouldn't you say?

For instance, let's say someone doesn't see what's funny about someone else's running jokes and so declares such jokes not clever, i.e., stupid.



For the record, I will redefine my use of the word "clever" and change it to "clever as *I* see it".

quote:
Seems parallel to someone who doesn't see the attraction to smoking and so declares it merely stupid.

Yes, you're right. It was hypocritical of me to decry a value judgement when I frequently make them myself. Like I just told ObiJo in another thread... I am not, "too good for the room". I am human like everyone else. Humans are great at pointing out flaws in others, and sucky at resolving them in themselves.

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You probably won't pay for smoking for the rest of your life. Quitting vastly improves your prospects for good health. The risk I worry most about is driving.


Well, paying for it for the rest of my life applies to the cravings and possibility of starting again as much as the health risks. I know people who quit and were non-smokers only to succumb 10 years later. I'm not looking forward to the prospect of losing that much ground, which is one of the things that makes me think I should just give up and succumb to the cravings now... but I have managed not to give in to that kind of thinking yet.

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gabe_billings
June 8, 2001 9:23 AM

Odd, I was just talking about this with some friends last night. I don't know who manufactures the stunt bottles they have in the movies, but I can tell you this much. If you're ever in a bar fight, don't worry about breaking the bottle. Just use it to club the other person over the head. It ain't gonna break.

A while back I wanted to try doing the old 'break the bottle' thing and I smashed a longneck against the sharp corner on some cinder blocks and it just bounced off. I beat it several more times, getting progressively more violent until it final ended up shattering completely in my hand, leaving me with (like the women in the aforementioned story) a neck and a lot of glass pieces.

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gabe_billings
June 8, 2001 9:26 AM

quote:
Actually, nicotine improves performance on mental tasks. It's a stimulant. It feels great to smoke, especially when you're drinking. Stimulant + depressant = whole different drug. It also feels great when you're playing cards or cracking your head over some programming problem. Believe it or not, decent tobacco tastes good, too, especially with beer. But I quit because it stinks and it kills you, so it's not worth the fun.

When you don't understand someone else's pleasure, it's normal to think they're just stupid. But usually, there's a little more to it.


Silly as I think smoking is, you make it sound like a lot of fun. Much moreso than everyone who has just told me they 'like it'. I guess eloquence counts for something.

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boorite
June 8, 2001 9:28 AM

There is a safe way to convert a beer bottle into a shiv by breaking it over a bar:

1. Always wear long sleeves, heavy gloves, and OSHA-approved eye protection.

2. Score the bottle with a glass cutter at the desired breaking point so that it does not break at the grip and cut the operator's hand.

3. Wrap the bottle in a rubber sheet so that there is no flying glass hazard.

4. Carefully dispose of the broken pieces.

5. Sweep up before proceeding to the next task (fighting).

Safe mayhem is fun mayhem!

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Spankling
June 8, 2001 9:33 AM

When in college I asked a friend if I could christen his dorm room (I had an empty champaign bottle in hand - he should have known I was serious). He said yes and I smashed it against the mettle door frame. It sent a rainbow shower of fine glass pieces all over everyone and everything in the room.

I can't remember what I had been smoking at the time - this was 1978. It's plain to me today that I was being a dickfor. Kids... What are you going to do?

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ObiJo
June 8, 2001 4:22 PM

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I am not, "too good for the room". I am human like everyone else. Humans are great at pointing out flaws in others, and sucky at resolving them in themselves.
If the beginning of that passage were introduced to the end of that passage, we'd actually be making progress. Ok, ok, I take it back. No reason to fuck up two perfectly good threads.

quote:
There is a safe way to convert a beer bottle into a shiv by breaking it over a bar:
I am proud to belong to a forum that has posts that begin like that.

I used to know a trick where you could break off the bottom disc of a beer bottle right at it's seal. If you look at most beer bottles, they have a seal on the bottom, where they sit. There was a trick where you waited till the beer bottle was a little less than half full and then held it over a sink and hit the apeture really hard with your palm. A sort of popping noise ensues, the bottom disc falls off, and you are left with a bottle perfectly broken at the seal. But I learned this in my youth when I was under the spell of many different intoxicants, so my memory may be wrong. But I'll tell one thing my memory isn't wrong about: tiny sombrero-wearing peacocks control the government.

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Nibor
June 8, 2001 10:25 PM

Okay, 2 things.

1) I'm not a smoker, but I have smoked cigarettes before. The first time I smoked one, my head felt like it was 10 feet above the rest of my body. I believe my exact words were, "Holy fuck. No wonder people smoke." So, yes, it can get you high.

2) Gabe must be even more of a pansy than we thought. A friend of mine decided he wanted to see what happens when you whack a beer bottle against a table corner. He didn't inform us of this, of course. He just grabbed an empty bottle, and swung against the table. *SMASH* Of course, the bottle pretty much broke down to the neck. A bouncer came over wondering where the noise came from. We pointed over 3 tables, "I think over there." Then we left as they investigated. Friends are neat that way.

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gabe_billings
June 9, 2001 4:32 AM

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I used to know a trick where you could break off the bottom disc of a beer bottle right at it's seal. If you look at most beer bottles, they have a seal on the bottom, where they sit.

I think my bottle is defective. It has a walrus on the bottom.

And I think it just might be the same one who ate boorite then shat him out again in time for this latest contest.

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ObiJo
June 9, 2001 10:35 AM

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It has a walrus on the bottom...And I think it just might be the same one who ate boorite then shat him out again in time for this latest contest.
I am that walrus. I am an egg man. Ku ku ca choo.

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boorite
June 11, 2001 8:46 AM

That trick where you knock out the bottom of the bottle works great on unopened ketchup bottles. When you whack the metal cap, it deforms slightly, driving the air bubble to the bottom like a hammer. People don't believe it will work until you get them to do it, preferably at a crowded lunch counter. WHAP-- blorp.

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boorite
June 11, 2001 8:50 AM

quote:
quote:
It has a walrus on the bottom...And I think it just might be the same one who ate boorite then shat him out again in time for this latest contest.
I am that walrus. I am an egg man. Ku ku ca choo.

ObiJo ate me.

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