Maybe if we held our leaders accountable for their actions and weren't so tolerant of non-stop spin and empty rhetoric, the position of president would demand at least the level competency demanded of fast food employees. ;)

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Vote Jeb Bush 2008

That's a horrible cheap shot at our administration. They have that competency down pat.

"Would you like tax cuts with that?"
"Would you like kickbacks with that?"

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"George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States. He was appointed by God."

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Please replace the handset, and try again.

We've been trying to hold Bush accountable for his actions. Actions, I might add, that border on a military coup of the US government. And he keeps getting rabidly defended by people sho are prone to shout "Yeah! Whoo! Kick ass! Blow up the middle east! If you don't like George Bush, git outta mah country!"

You can see the difficulty here in presenting rational fact-based arguments to people who eschew reason out of hand.

Supersize that load of propaganda for ya, Bubba?

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

In a democracy if you are surrounded by idiots remember they are the ones running the country ;)

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I thought we were a militarily-enforced capitalist repbulic. I can't think of another type of government that would invade countries for their national resources and shuttle protestors into police patrolled holding pens, several blocks away from cameras, when it's court-appointed leader gave televised speeches in public.

Except, maybe a dictatorship. But that's just silly.

Isn't it?

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

See, in a place like Mexico, one party steals all the elections. In the US, two parties steal all the elections.

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PJ O'Rourke said that.

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Recommended reading:

Give War A Chance

A Parliament of Whores

Eat The Rich

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

Finally someone with an intelligent comment.

Sorry all, it's not that I support Bush. In fact, while I support action in Iraq, I don't support it now, or for the reasons (the ones we're told, or the ones we know are real), but in any case, how the hell are we going to break free?
There aren't enough intelligent voters in this country. And even many who are intelligent sacrifice their vote to someone who is only half of what they want because they don't think they can win by voting for people who fufill all their wishes in a leader.

Also, even if we somehow get an independent party canidate into office, that won't help us any. We've still got congress to deal with.

We have so much hypocrisy in this country, it's becoming even more of a laughing stock than it was in past years. I've seen two democrats brought up to serious charges in the time I've been paying any attention. First Clinton gets "impeached", then more recently, Davis gets recalled. While I'm happy about the latter, the former did nothing, and had no real reason. The point I'm approaching is that people put these guys into office in the first place, and then decided to get them out.
America, she is a woman. She is a very fickle bitch at that.

I'm neither Democrat, nor Republican, because I think both parties are batshit insane. I'm not a Green Party member, because I don't agree with even a quarter of their ideals. Sadly, I admit I vote for the guy who appeals to me most out of the two major parties, because I don't feel that anyone else will vote for another party. Just as sad as anyone else I suppose, but what the hell can we do about it??

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Eat the Rich is great. I can't believe nobody copped to the obvious line for this thread, tho...

"I did a bush once in 30 seconds, but I don't like to talk about it."

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

I'd hardly call the entirety of the posts in this thread unintelligent up until somebody quoted P.J. O'Rourke.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

I'd hardly call the entirety of the posts in this thread unintelligent up until somebody quoted P.J. O'Rourke.

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Meh, they were sub-par for most of those posting them, however.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Dude.

We have parsed the entire scope of issues surrounding the Bush administration's decision to wave off the entire United Nations Security Council's refusing to condone war on Iraq, and then subsequently attacking another nation first. This is something quite out of character for the US. We have reviewed various pros and cons of both major parties, and their respective military and ambassadorial proclivites. We have held forth on the very basis and concepts of law in the western world.

I don't know how much more serious of a debate you would want from a forum on a site dedicated to making cut and paste funnies, but... I got my money's worth.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

Ok.... my bad. All that shit was in the other thread.

BUT YOU SHOULD READ IT!
: )

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

I thought my remarks about the economy were at least aware, if not intelligent.

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Me too! Thanks for the good economy, Bush!! ;)

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Vote Jeb Bush 2008

You mean the one that he completely dismantled and poured into an illegitimate war and the pockets of every multi-millionaire and attorney in the country?

The one he pulled out from under the otherwise stable working-class like a cheap rug?

The one that's only now ceasing to hemmorage cash and jobs after three years of steady decline and some of the worst unemployment figures since Hoover?

The one that started out with a three trillion dollar surplus, courtesy of the Clinton administration, that is now red ink?

That one?

You realise, do you not, that the Bush administration is boning all of the rah-rah, upper-crust-wannabe Republicans silly, along with everybody else making less than 250,000.00 a year. Don't you?

*Snicker*

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

All I know is my Putnam mutual fund managers have been FUCKING me for who knows how long, and it pisses me off. I'd vote for Bush if he'd only cut their balls off as an example to the others. But I know that won't happen.

More Big Pension Funds Fire Putnam

GREAT! THERE GOES A BUNCH OF MY FUCKING MONEY DOWN THE TUBES.

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The one that started out with a three trillion dollar surplus, courtesy of the Clinton administration, that is now red ink?

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I do believe the guy before Gray Davis claimed to have a surplus that ended up being in the negative when Davis came in as well.

Oh, right. He's a democrat, and democrats are NEVER responsible for budget problems. It's the guy before them that caused all the problems.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

The numbers are there, yo. Fuck what they call themselves this year. The math is there and it's ugly.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

Dragon, I think your characterization of Democrats applies far better to Republicans. For example, did Clinton sit around blaming the deficit on Reagan, who managed in 8 years to get the country in 3 times the debt it had accumulated over the past 200 years (which included two World Wars, a Civil War, and the very expensive destruction of Indochina)? Did Clinton sit around whining about Bush I, who ran deficits almost double those of Reagan? No, he rolled up his sleeves and got down to turning the historic debt into a surplus. Surely, revenues were declining because of economic conditions when Clinton left, but revenue was still ahead of spending.

Enter Bush II, who cuts taxes at a time of declining revenue. Gee, guess what we're running now? If you said "surplus," we have a seat reserved for you on the short bus. And guess who the new Right blames it on (along with everything else, including getting caught flatfooted by the 9/11 attacks)? That's right, Bill Clinton.

Takes you back, doesn't it? Remember in 1980, when candidate Reagan told President Carter, "Mr. Carter, if you can't balance a budget, step aside, I CAN!"

As a matter of fact, Carter is the only postwar Democratic President since Truman who saw budget deficits increase during his term of office. Every Republican, on the other hand, presided over increasing deficits. But who did Reagan blame the deficit on? Democrats, of course!

After the public spectacle of the Reagan-Bush fiscal orgy, you'd think not even Republicans could have the naked dishonesty and cowardice to blame the deficit on the Democrats. But you'd be wrong. High-profile right-wing charlatans like Sean Hannity are still blaming Congressional Democrats for Reagan-Bush deficits, even though the budgets Congress approved were on average within about half a percent of what those Presidents requested. Hannity and company do this via an advanced rhetorical technique called "lying." They publish best-selling books that contain tables with made-up numbers and bullshit math.

How do they get away with this, when a half-bright high school student could look up the real numbers and call "fraud?" Because the right-wing audience will believe anything, no matter how outlandish, as long as it confirms what they already think. The people who buy Hannity's books do not look things up.

But don't worry. In a year, or maybe five, a Democrat will go into the White House and set about sweeping up four to eight years of fiscal elephant poop. And guess who Republicans will blame.

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That was a frank, non-judgemental and thought provoking comment.

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Please replace the handset, and try again.

Thank god Carter and Clinton are gone for good eh? ;)

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Vote Jeb Bush 2008

Bush strategist Matthew Dowd just issued a memo saying Bush will probably fall behind in the polls when a Democratic candidate is announced. (I say it will probably be sooner.) It seems Dowd's strategy is to lower expectations, so that when Bush starts taking the beating he has coming to him, they can say "oh we saw this coming" instead of just hemorrhaging and bleeding out right on the spot.

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