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Drexle
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Borknagar, Blind Guardian, Candlemass... they're about as close to Satanic as Metallica is close to being a Muslim Fundamentalist band.

How can you know if music "depresses you" if you know nothing about it?

12-14-03 2:36pm (new)
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Trippingbillee
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King Crimson... and if you tell me they're a shitty prog-rock band, I'll have your head.

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12-14-03 3:21pm (new)
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marie517
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well i know its depressing cause most of the songs r about how wasted there life is..why would i listen to that?

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12-14-03 3:41pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
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Bee, I knew i liked you, but I didn't know that reason. Awsome band.

12-14-03 4:02pm (new)
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Drexle
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And how do you know this is what the songs are about? You haven't listened to it, haven't researched it, and know nothing about it.

12-14-03 5:18pm (new)
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DragonXero
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Drexle. Stop.

People like that are going to always keep themselves in the dark when it comes to good music, and constantly assume it's something it's not. We're not going to change any minds here.

But for the record, metal isn't depressing, it isn't satanic, and it isn't profane. It's possibly one of the most artistic and intelligent forms of music being made today.

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12-15-03 4:17am (new)
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Drexle
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Blind judgement is a quality that will catch you flak in any setting, not just musical taste. In any subject of discussion, if someone goes around making unsupported claims and ignorant generalizations, they should expect to be called on it.

12-15-03 8:00am (new)
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MikeyG
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I never said I didn't like Tool. I dislike the insane worship of the band when it's not really that great. It's one of the last decent bands on the radio, yes.

As for what I listen to; Borknagar, Blind Guardian, Iron Maiden, Nevermore, Iced Earth, Gamma Ray, Therion, Tristania, Moonspell... I'll leave it at that short list.


Well, I've heard Iced Earth, and I'll pass. I've heard Moonspell, and I'll pass. I've got a little thing for Maiden, but it'll heal. I love Tool. I love every album. I love every song. Fuck the radio, fuck the rest of your unintelligent, mediocre metal bands. I like my rock and roll SMART.

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12-15-03 10:21am (new)
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JrnymnNate
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Then try Can and not pseudo-prog deep bands with overplayed songs like Shcism :p

12-15-03 10:36am (new)
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Drexle
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Well, I've heard Iced Earth, and I'll pass. I've heard Moonspell, and I'll pass. I've got a little thing for Maiden, but it'll heal. I love Tool. I love every album. I love every song. Fuck the radio, fuck the rest of your unintelligent, mediocre metal bands. I like my rock and roll SMART.

We're not full of ourselves, are we?

12-15-03 11:29am (new)
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Trippingbillee
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Hey guys, I love my music as much as you do, even if you think I'm close-minded and such. What bands should I check out, you metal-lovers, that offer me good, intelligent music that doesn't consist of the same old chord progressions and rhythms? I'm not being sarcastic; I have not heard much metal, so I'd love to get some experts' advice on where to start. I know that I don't like Iron Maiden too much, because one of my friends is a big fan and I've heard a fair amount.

Oh, and MikeyG does not represent the rest of us Tool fans. Smart music comes in many forms.

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12-15-03 12:03pm (new)
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Zaster
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There are no other bands.
There is only Gwar.

Actually of all the metal of been hearing on college radio lately the most impressive singles (for me) have been from Maiden (off thier new album), Lacuna Coil, and Iced Earth. But I'm too cheap to buy albums anymore and too lazy to download them so...

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12-15-03 12:31pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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yes yes gwar heh heh heh...

12-15-03 12:42pm (new)
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Drexle
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Hey guys, I love my music as much as you do, even if you think I'm close-minded and such. What bands should I check out, you metal-lovers, that offer me good, intelligent music that doesn't consist of the same old chord progressions and rhythms? I'm not being sarcastic; I have not heard much metal, so I'd love to get some experts' advice on where to start. I know that I don't like Iron Maiden too much, because one of my friends is a big fan and I've heard a fair amount.

Oh, and MikeyG does not represent the rest of us Tool fans. Smart music comes in many forms.


Honestly, I'm gonna pass this one on to DX. When it comes to lyrics, especially lyrics that are impossible to understand without a lyric sheet, I seldom pay them any attention. I'd actually like to see a metal band just once try to not write acutal lyrics and just convey emotion through raw and unarticulated vocalization. I think it would be pretty interesting. My only real criteria for great music is whether or not the end result sounds pleasing, and since I'm not at all a musician, and know nothing of what makes chord progressions "intelligent," I don't feel qualified to give you that kind of opinion. The best I can tell you is that the band "Opeth" tend to have a reputation for being "intelligent," but I have always found them just kind of okay to listen to. If you can tell me beyond "intelligent chord progression" what it is you enjoy in music, like say if there's a certain mood, feeling, or tempo you like, I could offer a suggestion from that standpoint since that's how I personally relate to music.

When it comes to music, including metal, I prefer hypnotic and trance enducing beats and harmonies... I'm not so sure that's what you're looking for, since those tend to be repetative.

As a side note, I do kind of like Tool, but I think my favorite piece of theirs is "Disgustipated," which probably doesn't qualify for everyone's definition of music, as such. I don't have a problem with Tool fans, just with that particular snobby attitude.

12-15-03 1:14pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
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but why does it always have to be "raw" for you metal fans? :|

12-15-03 2:13pm (new)
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marie517
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i knoW!

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12-15-03 2:41pm (new)
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Trippingbillee
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Um, when I said intelligent, I just meant trying to be creative i.e. not writing the same songs over and over with different lyrics. All genres of music have oodles of bands that do just that, and I'm sad to say that I've only heard metal bands that appear to do the same thing.

So, who is good? In your terms, because I don't know anything about metal besides the fact that I know I don't like some of the stuff I've heard because it seemed to me to be yelling without much music behind it.

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12-15-03 3:31pm (new)
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Drexle
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Um, when I said intelligent, I just meant trying to be creative i.e. not writing the same songs over and over with different lyrics. All genres of music have oodles of bands that do just that, and I'm sad to say that I've only heard metal bands that appear to do the same thing.

So, who is good? In your terms, because I don't know anything about metal besides the fact that I know I don't like some of the stuff I've heard because it seemed to me to be yelling without much music behind it.


Aaah, understood. They're listed in order of what I think you'd most want to look into on down to what I'm only marginal about reccomending:

I think in this case I can fall back on my standard Vintersorg/Otyg reccomendation. Those two bands share a lot of the same members, but they have a very different feel between them. Otyg is metalish folk music while Vintersorg is folkish metal music. You'd just have to hear them to know what I mean. Vintersorg doesn't scream all the time. He kind of switches back and forth between gutteral and bombastic. He stays bombastic in Otyg without getting gutteral at all, though.

I think you might also enjoy Tiamat's "Wildhoney" album, but I only reccomend this one because I haven't heard their others. It has a variety of sound on it from heavy to etherial. I think the vocalist once said that this was their "we were a death metal band that wanted to sound like pink floyd" stage.

Therion is operatic style metal and is more to my liking than the other operatic metal I've heard (which admittedly isn't a whole lot aside from Nightwish). I particularly enjoy the album "Deggial," which has several cool tracks including an absolutely killer cover of "O Fortuna." I'm thinking of getting "Secrets of the Runes" next time I have some spare cash about.

Candlemass is pretty good stuff too, kind of old fashioned sounding metal. I reccomend "Tales of Creation" particularly, since it has all the good things about older metal without any of the castrato vocals (but also no growling vocals. You can actually understand what he's saying). It's got a very epic feel to it overall, which is always a plus for me.

You might also find My Dying Bride to be an interesting experience, as they have a lot of material that mixes some really killer guitars with beautiful violin playing. This actually is some pretty mournful sounding stuff, so if that's not your bag you might not like it very much.

I don't know if polka is your bag or not, but Finntroll's first two albums are best described as "Polka Metal," and they're probably my overall favorite of the undefined time period. Thier first two albums have their own "theme melody" that shows up in several songs, that gets played in different moods and different tempos depending on the song. The third album isn't really metal at all, but it's actually their best and most inventive one. It's called "Visor Om Slutet," and it sounds nothing like the other two. It has no overriding theme, and it's mostly ambient sounding instrumental stuff. It's still distinctly Fintroll-esque, though. No mistaking the style for anyone else.

Moonsorrow shares a keyboardist with Finntroll, but their music have very different flavors. I just tend to really enjoy the mead-hall atmosphere they evoke. It's more viking-warrior-esque music in contrast to the very trollish feeling of Finntroll.

Arcturus is hard for me to really describe, and they really took some drastic changes over the course of their albums. Really, I like everything I've heard from them but it's hard to pin down any one common theme that I can say I really like in it besides they just have a certain something.

Borknagar are kind of interesting. They're pretty varied from album to album, but I think that's mostly because they don't keep a steady lineup from one release to the next. I kind of have a soft spot for Olden Domain, but I'd suggest Quintessance to start with.

I'm also particularly fond of, but not sure at all whether you'd enjoy:

Death
Evoken
Novembers Doom
Amorphis (but only the earlier stuff)
Morgion
Shape of Despair
Mithotyn
Galadriel
Cephalic Carnage (but mainly just the "Halls of Amenti" release)
Disembowelment (only one album... a real shame)
Umbra Nihil
Dolorian

Also, about half of this stuff isn't in English. That may or may not be a big deal for you. I just don't really mind not understanding lyrics as long as they sound right with the music, but I know that approach isn't everyone's thing.

12-15-03 7:04pm (new)
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Drexle
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but why does it always have to be "raw" for you metal fans? :|


Well I'd order it rare, but it's hard enough to find as it is. :p

12-15-03 7:09pm (new)
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laughinginyourface
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Also, about half of this stuff isn't in English. That may or may not be a big deal for you. I just don't really mind not understanding lyrics as long as they sound right with the music, but I know that approach isn't everyone's thing.

Doesn't matter. In fact, it sometimes makes me want to listen to it more.

Dimmu borgir
Paradise Lost(Earlier stuff)
Cradle of Filth
Children of Bodom
Death
In Flames
Slayer
Burnt by the Sun
Dying Fetus
Emperor (Inno a Satana playing as I speak)

...among others...

I don't know if this means anything, but most of these bands aren't from USA. Most are from Scandinavia, as any true metalhead would know. Well I wouldn't say that so fast actually. Slayer is from USA, I don't know if I could live without em'.

And as far as depressing goes, it makes me like em' more. Think about what metal would be like if it was all really happy...

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12-15-03 7:14pm (new)
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Drexle
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Yeah, I do admit that this tends to be my favorite type, hence all the doom bands listed. But to say it's all depressing music is a pretty gross overgeneralization. Like on the same level of calling it all "devil music."

And I don't know what it is about Finland, but it's home to most of my favorites. Scandinavia in general is pretty saturated with metal, though.

12-15-03 7:34pm (new)
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Trippingbillee
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Thanks for the awesome reply, Drexle. I will be sure to check out all of that stuff. I mostly listen to instrumental music, so not understanding lyrics doesn't bother me at all. In fact, it's probably a good thing.

Epic stuff makes me happy.

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12-15-03 7:49pm (new)
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laughinginyourface
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Correct. Not all or even probably not most doom metal is satanic. I would say a majority of them are Athiest though.

Welcome. You have found your new home with some of these bands.

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12-15-03 8:47pm (new)
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DragonXero
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Glad to see that some people have come to appreciate the great stuff. I must reiterate Drexle's reccomendations of Vintersorg and Borknagar, two black metal bands with absolutely amazing music, and some of the most complex, intelligent lyrics out there. Blind Guardian, on the other hand, has pleasing music, as well as a very progressive song structure, varied styles throughout even one album, and often very complex lyrics. You want smart music, that's a good band to turn to. Especially if you're a nerd. I don't know what Iced Earth songs people here have heard, but aside from a couple songs, the lyrics are relatively intelligent. Certainly not up to the level of Vintersorg or Blind Guardian, but far higher on the intellectual food chain than 99.9% of the shite on the radio today. If you're looking for beautifully made music, bands like Dimmu Borgir, Therion, and Children of Bodom come to mind. If you don't mind delving into the almost comically satanic, Cradle of Filth has some awesome music, impressive vocals, and a sadly underused soprano backup singer that blows me (personally) away. For mental landscapes and a beautifully melancholy mindset, Tristania and Theatre of Tragedy work well. If you just will not touch anything that isn't Christian, go for Gamma Ray and Helloween (really, anything that Kai Hansen has ever touched). Finally, if you really just want to sit back, drink, and party, Manowar is a good bet. Heavy, cheesy, often quite happy, and very technical.

Also to note are Jag Panzer (Intellectual? How about an album based on MacBeth?), Dio (More fantasy for you geeks out there, and it's headed by a guy who's older than Ozzy, yet manages to belt out vocals like he did in the 70s.), Nevermore (One of the best new metal bands out there, with intelligent lyrics, progressive music, and beautiful mindscapes), and Rhapsody (VERY happy. You wanna hear happy metal? This is happy metal. This is cheesy happy metal. This is "Hug your neighbor" happy cheesy metal. Compared to Rhapsody, the Muppets are depressing).

That is all I have for now.

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12-15-03 11:09pm (new)
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laughinginyourface
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DX pretty much explained life there.

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12-16-03 5:24am (new)
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