Last I checked, Frank Sinatra wasn't any kind of metal. :)

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Hrm....
Carcass, Kreator, Immolation, Dying Fetus, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Blind Guardian, Theatre of Tragedy, Moonspell, Symphony X, Luca Turilli, Gorguts, Dio, the Gathering, Iced Earth, Savatage, Nevermore, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death...

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Someone has kick ass taste in music!

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Lots of people think anonymity brings them at a higher level of power... I just think it makes them larger dickheads than they really are in person. :-D

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Hrm....
Carcass, Kreator, Immolation, Dying Fetus, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Blind Guardian, Theatre of Tragedy, Moonspell, Symphony X, Luca Turilli, Gorguts, Dio, the Gathering, Iced Earth, Savatage, Nevermore, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death...
I'm from the whole camp my friend.
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As I said, we're a little different. My list would read more like...
Vintersorg, Otyg, Storm, Borknagar, Finntroll, In Flames, Amorphis, My Dying Bride, Novembers Doom, Evoken, dISEMBOWELMENT, Left Hand Solution, Morgion, Shape of Despair, Celestial Season, and whatnot. Heavier emphasis on doomy and folksy stuff, and less deathy and power metal.

I'm getting old.

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Erm, I never said don't listen to it.
And "metal" is far from NARROW cast.

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No, no, no.... you're missing it. Way back when when the cool shit was on AM radio, or early FM rock was starting to become marketable, there were no genre's and sub-genres. There was no "Metal, thrash metal, death metal, pop metal, hard pop, power pop, aluminum, hair metal, spandex metal, soft rock, AOR, adult contemporary, ska, thrash ska, punk, neo punk, post punk...." None of that. that was an absurd notion. There was just the radio, and there were hit songs and no video to sell them. You could switch on the radio and hear Deep Purple, Sabbath, B.J. Thomas, Status Quo, The Beatles, the Four Seasons... all in a row. Narrowcast Genre Marketing was invented by record companies to accomodate signing more bands and to get the kids to express some sort of cultural allegience to a sepcific type of rock or pop. It was simply to move more product and to diversify. Clothing manufacturers also jumped on the bandwagon to help farm certain looks for certin musical allegiences. Punk, metal, pop, (torn T-Shirts, spikes and leather, skinny ties....) and the like all had their own fashions, too. 80's youth culture films helped to foment this marketing tactic as well. Eventually, it was the norm. Youth, culture, and musical tastes all had their own flags and were pre-fab commodities. Back when I was a kid, it was just rock and roll. You liked a song or you didn't. I'm not saying you should think that's interesting or better, but it's a fact. I've been watchin' it happen from inside the industry for almost three decades.

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Tell us more, Grandpa!

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It *is* interesting, but considering that I can't turn on any radio station and hear much music I like for any ammount of time... and considering that if radio were still the way you remember it that I still wouldn't be very satisfied, the difference just doesn't mean much to me.

While I see your point about the consumerism deal, think of it this way... does anyone look at fine art and say "Boy, it sure is silly to differentiate between baroque, surrealism, dada, cubism, rennaisance, expressionist, and all that rot... it's all just art."?

I'm not saying it's inherently without merit, but please be reminded that all of those schools of creative form evolved from the artists need for a broader range of expression, and covered several decades of creative form and content. Not a marketing department. And radio is mostly just shit, yeah.

As for the grandpa crack, let's have lunch in 20 years and we can talk about how all of the rage and angst laden "cool" stuff you like now was sold to you by somebody even older than I. :- )

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I hope it doesn't sound like I am saying that there weren't pre-fab pop stars in the 50's. 60's, and 70's, too. That's absurd. Of course there were. It was a new form, and became cultural currency in the process of it's creation, or it was rejected as fake. The socio-cultural and intellectual stratification of pop musical tastes was a phenomenon of televsion, radio, and a huge market for something that needed fresh meat in it maw. (Baby boomers.... Fuckoff huge generation, yo.) It didn't become a bought and paid for marketing concept until the 80's, though, when the guys in the suits all figured out how to deal with the kiddies for real: Don't treat them like kiddies. Make your ads and sales channels and the content thereof appeal to the hanging-on-by-a-thread- feeling of importance that permeates adolescent iconography. They tried to work a bit of this in the 50's and 60's with youth targeted film, but it was roundly denounced as trash. By the 80's, social mores had loosened and melodrama was quite fashionable. The more dirty laundry the better. Decadence had become acceptable as art or journalism.

The point is: You didn't have to have a tribe back then. If you were young, you were in that tribe already if you chose to be. The suits were looking for the next new thing, not trying to manufacture the thing that sounds a lot like the last thing that moved 7 million units. It became conservative, and as such, is now another industry that is farming old ground instead of furrowing the new. Nothing you hear on commercial radio -or see on Mtv- got there without several millions of dollars being spent.

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Sorry Bunner, but this is what you get for trying to hold a serious conversation around here: :)

The Conversation So Far... by itsclark 9-09-01

No, no, no.... you're missing it. Way back when when the cool shit was on AM radio, or early FM rock was starting to become marketable, there were no genre's and sub-genres. OK, I see your point about the consumerism deal, but think of it this way... does anyone look at fine art and say "Boy, it sure is silly to differentiate between baroque, surrealism, ect. I'm not saying it's inherently without merit, but please be reminded that all those schools of creative form evolved from the artists need for a broader range of expression covering several decades... Right... ... and your ads and sales channels and the content thereof appeal to the hanging-on-by-a-thread- feeling of importance that permeates adolescent iconography... Kill... me...

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Back 'atcha, sonny Jim.

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It *is* interesting, but considering that I can't turn on any radio station and hear much music I like for any ammount of time...

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What I want to know is why classic rock stations play the same songs every fucking day when they have over 40 years worth of material from which to choose.

(Just trying to veer the conversation toward music I understand.)

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Oh, you know what music I like, do you?

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Because by their very definition, they can't. They are instructed to play the same damn top 20 hits from the 60's and 70's and early 80's by the corporations that own them, because they are told that that's what people in their target demographic like by their Arbitron numbers.

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Oh, you know what music I like, do you?

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Yeah. Music that is available commerically on CD's and vinyl, otherwise you never would have heard of it.

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He's got me pegged. I just can't get enough of that groovy "death punk thrash" that all the hipsters are swingin' to these days. :)

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He's got me pegged. I just can't get enough of that groovy "death punk thrash" that all the hipsters are swingin' to these days. :)

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Precisely my point: Pegging me as a long winded bore is just as laughable. Your lack of interest in what I have to say doesn't invalidate my point or make my argument without merit. Two generalisations, two comics. There you go, you hep cat, you. Or is it dope, fly, word up shiznit... Sorry. It's SO hard to keep up with your darned clever kids.

:- )

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Funny fucking comic, though. Mine wasn't as good, but I'm actually mixing a live rock and roll show at this very moment, and it tends to veer my creative focus away from writing good comics.

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Oh, you know what music I like, do you?

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Yeah. Music that is available commerically on CD's and vinyl, otherwise you never would have heard of it.

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That'll be news to some of the bar bands I like. I don't think they knew they had produced CDs yet.

I like a wide range of music, including that of amateur musicians like myself. If there is some indication of true passion (be it sorrow or joy or something between) behind the music, I tend to like it. The types of music I like is all over the map - classical, classic rock, bluegrass, blues, some rap, grunge, etc. True, all of those are commercially available but I don't know what that proves other than there are other people that like the same music I like. I think there is merit to Beethoven's music, regardless of whether Sony gets Ludwig Von to pose nude for the 9th Symphony albumn cover.

So, bunner, are you one of those music snobs that thinks Fugazi is the only band worth a damn?

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No. Actually, my tastes are at least as eclectic as yours. I prefer the Pastoral to the 9th, though.

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In my defense, I present comic 3183:

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Because by their very definition, they can't. They are instructed to play the same damn top 20 hits from the 60's and 70's and early 80's by the corporations that own them, because they are told that that's what people in their target demographic like by their Arbitron numbers.

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Yup, bunner, you hit it right on the nose. And those fuckers even perform the blasphemy of playing the Cliff's Notes versions of Inna Gadda da Vida or Do You Feel Like We Do, so the DJ (if there really is a live one) doesn't have the time to take a good dump while the song is playing.

And then you don't even get the Top 20 crap in the morning because all the stations have to out-Stern Howard with mindless zoo crap, so no music there, save for maybe four songs an hour, and we're not talking Dark Star->St. Stephen->Eleven->Lovelight either.

Lather, rinse, repeat for other marketing niches of music. Why, even the all-news station here has gone bush-league. Their idea of heavy journalism is to read from the morning paper.

Thank goodness for my car tape deck :D

--The other old fart

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Don't worry, those eyedrops wear off before too long.

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Don't worry, those eyedrops wear off before too long.

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Gotta admit it, Albert. That reference went over at about 30,000 Ft.

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