Bunner, plenty of words come out of my mouth on their own. There is no need for you to put any more in there. I have said many times on this forum that I am against war and killing in general, so I'm not going to say anything in support of a pack of arseholes who crash passenger jets into civilian buildings and kill thousands, and I have no love for the Taliban either. However, the world's policeman is guilty of an awful lot of the shit they attack others for. Here's a fun bit of info for you...

During the early nineties, when the UN wanted to do weapon inspection trips around Iraq, Hussein told them to bugger off, because he said that the US would put spies in amongst the weapon inspectors and catalogue his weapons for military purposes. This refusal was the primary reason given for the US to bomb the living shit out of his country. A few years later, it came to light that the CIA had in fact put spies in place in the weapon inspection teams. Hussein's paranoia has actually been correct, and his reason for refusing the inspections - the very reason the US attacked his country - was valid.

What fun.

Now, bunnerabb, if you want to try to defend the idea that killing millions of innocent Afghans will somehow put a stop to terrorism, you are free to try, but I can't imagine you will have a lot of luck coming up with convincing arguments. I would argue the opposite, that this sustained and unjustifiable spasm of vengeful aggression will make a lot more people hate the US, and terrorist attacks will increase and intensify.

I am also cynical enough to think that it is possible that this is a deliberate plan by the US military. They need to justify their trillion dollar budget somehow, and if they could start a long, drawn-out multinational conflict... No, I am not saying this is true, but I think it is possible.

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I'm not "for" war. I think only an idiot is "for" war. If it comes out that the Pentagon and the CIA thought it would be a good idea to fly some airplanes into shit and blame it on Afghanistan and start a fucking war, I will be the first one on the boat to anywhere else.

On the other hand, only a moron would let their nose be rubbed in the blood of their innocent dead and wring their hands and say "Golly" as a response.

We shall see, my old man always said, what we shall see.

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Or Roll. Get it?!? Rullkotter!!! Ha ha ha!

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I am depressed, angry, and confused today.

On Saturday, Australia had a federal election. All the polls said that the conservative wealth-loving poor-people-fucking government that has already had two nightmarish terms of office would be voted out in a landslide.

They won.

I have always been proud to be an Australian. I thought that, on the whole, Australians were smart, clever, capable, and good people. Until today. Today I want to find every person who voted for the current government and scream at them. "Are you fucking blind? We have zero economic growth, our dollar is at the lowest value it has ever been, our unemployment rate is about to hit double digits, and the tax system has gone through five years of re-structuring so it targets the poor instead of the rich!!! What is wrong with you people???"

Today I am ashamed to be an Australian.

Sorry all, but I really needed to vent that bit of bile. We now return to the scheduled programming...

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I am depressed, angry, and confused today.

On Saturday, Australia had a federal election. All the polls said that the conservative wealth-loving poor-people-fucking government that has already had two nightmarish terms of office would be voted out in a landslide.

They won.

I have always been proud to be an Australian. I thought that, on the whole, Australians were smart, clever, capable, and good people. Until today. Today I want to find every person who voted for the current government and scream at them. "Are you fucking blind? We have zero economic growth, our dollar is at the lowest value it has ever been, our unemployment rate is about to hit double digits, and the tax system has gone through five years of re-structuring so it targets the poor instead of the rich!!! What is wrong with you people???"

Today I am ashamed to be an Australian.

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Today I am ashamed to be an Australian.

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It must just burn you up ladyj, to have a president like we do, and then see that he has the highest aproval rating ever in history.

A dead tapeworm would have a high approval rating at a time like this.

Actually, his father had the highest approval rating in history. And he still lost to my man, Bill!

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ok, i admit, people would say yes its good he's striking back no matter who he was at a time like this.

And i meant how he had 98% during 9/12 - 9/30

Hear, hear.

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I second that motion...

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The "Dead Tapeworm" party never stood a chance and you know it. Too many last minute defections to Ralph Nader.

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Yeah, but if Nader was smart he would have realized that the dead tapeworms stood a better chance of getting elected than himself and would have supported more of his ideas than the other party.

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On Saturday, Australia had a federal election. All the polls said that the conservative wealth-loving poor-people-fucking government that has already had two nightmarish terms of office would be voted out in a landslide.

They won.

I have always been proud to be an Australian. I thought that, on the whole, Australians were smart, clever, capable, and good people. Until today.

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No one was really arguing. There's a difference between debate and fighting.

As long as no one gets pissy about another's views, this is very certainly "general discussion".

Just like a republican, to be in favor of stratification.

*wink*

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There's one difference. This is a democracy, and we live here, so we can do something about the crimes of our government.

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The Iraqis also objected to weapons inspections for another, more obvious reason, which was that a state of open hostility still existed between the US and Iraq, and yet the US insisted on having inspectors on the UN team. Iraq did not exactly refuse the inspection. They barred 6 Americans on a 75-member UNSCOM team. Imagine if Iraq insisted on inspecting US military facilities.

Saddam Hussein showed no hesitation in using weapons of mass destruction on his own people-- a fact that, before the invasion of Kuwait, did nothing to dampen Bush's support for the dictator-- and so weapons inspections were a desirable goal. The US sabotaged that goal by insisting on terms that it knew Iraw could not accept. Weapons of mass destruction, and their use on the Kurds, could not have possibly been the issue. If it were, we would have insisted, on penalty of bombing, that inspections be carried out in Turkey. Instead, we gave Turkey massive material support and pushed to get them into NATO.

For great justice.

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I am depressed, angry, and confused today.

On Saturday, Australia had a federal election. All the polls said that the conservative wealth-loving poor-people-fucking government that has already had two nightmarish terms of office would be voted out in a landslide.

They won.

I have always been proud to be an Australian. I thought that, on the whole, Australians were smart, clever, capable, and good people. Until today. Today I want to find every person who voted for the current government and scream at them. "Are you fucking blind? We have zero economic growth, our dollar is at the lowest value it has ever been, our unemployment rate is about to hit double digits, and the tax system has gone through five years of re-structuring so it targets the poor instead of the rich!!! What is wrong with you people???"

Today I am ashamed to be an Australian.

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Well, Obi, you have a friend here on one issue - I share your extremely unpopular view that abortion is a bad thing, and that unborn human beings have just as much of a right to life as those who have spent some time outside the womb.

Let the flames begin. ;)

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Extremely unpopular? Not here. The most recent Gallup poll shows an even 46-46 split between "pro-choice" and "pro-life." That's extraordinary, because the average over the past several years is more like 48-43. Still, it's pretty even, and it might surprise you to know that "pro-life" has actually gained a lot of ground since 1995, when the score was 56-33 in favor of choice.

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The most recent Gallup poll on this issue I'm seeing is this, which shows the 2001 yearly average to be 50% pro-choice, 41% pro-life.

It is true that the August 10-12 poll showed a 46/46 slit. However, the August 3-5 poll showed a 52/39 split in favor of pro-choice, and a 50/40 split the poll before that.

All this means is that there are sampling variations in each poll, depending on who you happen to talk to. Over the course of many polls, however, you will see an average that is representative. Eventually, over the course of years or months, you will see trends.

See below:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/indicators/indabortion.asp

Interestingly, while a large portion of the population identify themselves as pro-life, only 1% of the population identifies it as their most important issue. Only 17% of the population feels that abortion should be outlawed in all cases.

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Yes, as I said, 46-46 is extraordinary, and I'd be surprised if the numbers for the year wandered far off the 48-43 mark. Maybe 49-42, which is still a pretty even split, as these things go. All this is to question the characterization of "pro-life" as "extremely unpopular."

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Also, it's worth emphasizing that one out of six Americans polled think that abortion should be illegal in all cases, which presumably covers pregnancies that result from rape or threaten the life of the mother. One out of six holds this extreme view. I'm going to be thinking about that one.

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