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wirthling
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I'm of German and American heritage, and I don't think anyone should try to forget the Nazis or slavery. I don't feel insulted when people cite the Nazis as an example of evil, and I don't think that all Germans were/are evil.

Yes, there are more bad people than just the Nazis. Condemning the acts of the Nazis in no way absolves anyone else of their misdeeds, so I am not sure what your point here is other than being a Nazi apologist. Please set me straight.

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9-28-01 8:20am (new)
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DexX
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My wife and I were pleased to have a lovely German couple as guests in our home. Werner had been an email pen-pal of my wife's for a couple of years, and when he and his wife took a holiday in Australia (bravely driving around much of it - this is a HUGE country) they spent almost a week staying with us. We took them to see a lot of tourist stuff, including a few things we had negelcted to visit for a few years ourselves, and they were a really nice, friendly, funny people. Werner never even punched me in the mouth for constantly spouting uselss Australiana trivia. He was so polite, he always pretended to be interested.

Frankly, I have pissed off for many years about the actions of the US government/military/corporations in foreign contries, and I am deeply disturbed by many of the insane groups and individuals that exist in the US, but that never once stopped me from having American friends online.

I don't know how representative of the German people Adolf really was, but I know he was incredibly charismatic, and offered them a chance to climb out of the crushing economic rut they had been in for years. I suspect that almost the whole nation went crazy for a while. I know for a fact that all of the Germans I have talked to about WW2 have expressed deep sorrow about it even so many years later. Sure, there are still bad Germans, just as there are bad Australians, bad Scots, and bad Haitians, but you cannot judge them by either the actions of their ancestors, or the beliefs of a tiny minority of their people.

Am I on topic? I forget...

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9-28-01 9:21am (new)
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DragonXero
I'm Here, You're Queer, Get Used to it

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I dunno, I forget the topic anyway.

My problem is so many people are ready to say that all the Nazis were evil people. For the most part, the nazi soldiers were just your average German soldiers who oftentimes had no idea what was going on. I believe the majority of the Nazis were simply soldiers, just like American, English, or Russian soldiers. Nazi Leaders were the "bad guys". Mainly I just want some clarification instead of generalization. Without going into "how free are we allowed to be", I will just drop this. Almost all of us are friends here, and I don't feel like bringing anything down on my head.

So, ummm, anyone wanna talk to Tobor?

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9-28-01 9:55am (new)
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NeoVid
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You think the people of Germany had much of a choice about their government standing?

People always have the choice of what sort of government they allow. They generally just don't work hard enough to exercise that that choice.

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9-28-01 2:40pm (new)
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andydougan
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I'm of German and American heritage, and I don't think anyone should try to forget the Nazis or slavery. I don't feel insulted when people cite the Nazis as an example of evil, and I don't think that all Germans were/are evil.

Yes, there are more bad people than just the Nazis. Condemning the acts of the Nazis in no way absolves anyone else of their misdeeds, so I am not sure what your point here is other than being a Nazi apologist. Please set me straight.


I'm half-Scottish and half-German, and went to school in Scotland, where I got all the usual "Nazi" accusations flung at me. I don't think talking about the Nazis is somehow an insult against the German people. It's quite possible that the majority of Germans supported the Nazis during the War, but that's just another example of the sheep-like way people go along with the status quo. Sorry to break it to Basil Fawlty, but my father doesn't get offended when people mention the War.

Since the death camps were hardly kept secret, any Nazi who didn't know that the Holocaust was going on must have been living underground.

Anyway.

9-28-01 2:53pm (new)
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ladyjdotnet
Snitcreator

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There's some degree of perspective in that fact that the person expressing this "The Nazis are maligned" opinion is himself a self-professed Satanist. Consider the source.

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9-28-01 3:16pm (new)
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ObiJo
Eamus Catuli

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You people know so much more about history than me, that whether I agree or disagree, I usually just decide to listen and learn. But a couple of comments.

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All I'm saying is that there are more bad people than just the Nazis, and I think the constant Nazi referrences add insult to injury when it comes to the German people. That's as much of a part of history they want to foget as slavery is to us.

You think the people of Germany had much of a choice about their government standing?

Bah.


I think anyone who interchanges the phrase German and Nazi is a misguided fop. Some Germans fell into the trap of Nazism (%s? No idea.), but like andydougan, I consider that a human frailty and not a German one. The human animal can be aroused to periods of great achievement or great stupidity. I don't have to look beyond the KKK or LA riots to prove the latter to myself. Unfortunately, the Nazis had both simultaneously, with technical advances such as the V1 and V2 rocket, and the blind rage to use them.

Not knowing a lot about history, I sometimes find myself in a tricky situation. On one hand, there's common knowledge that's been taught that one tends to adhere to. On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that a lot of the history taught is propaganda. History seen through a filter.

I think this may be one of the few forums where a live-wire, emotionally-rich issue like Nazism and the Holocaust can be discussed in an intelligent way, regardless of opinion, without name calling and emotional outbursts. I thank and salute you all for that.

Ok, now back to calling you all chode smokers.

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9-28-01 6:30pm (new)
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