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Spankling
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That actually made sense.

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11-20-01 10:11pm (new)
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DragonXero
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What's that?

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11-20-01 11:08pm (new)
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Spankling
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The idea that if Paul had come before Jesus, that Jesus would be considered a secular humanist.

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11-21-01 8:50am (new)
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andydougan
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I think they said something along the lines of 'Fuck those faggy Brits. If they think we're changing the name of this movie just to suit them, they've got another thing coming. They can go fuck themselves up the ass with a broom.'

So they just left in 'sorcerer's'.


Cheek! They changed the title to suit the supposed anti-intellectualism across the ocean, not the other way round!

Anyway, Brit version has the characters saying "philosopher" rather than "sorcerer". So I wonder if they overdubbed "sorcerer", or filmed each scene twice? Either would seem a bit strange.

11-21-01 5:22pm (new)
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bunnerabb
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Anti-intellectualism.

We're all "anti-intellectual"....

For a country that rags the piss and plenty out of us ostensibly xenophobic Americans, you don't get out a lot.

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11-21-01 5:42pm (new)
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DexX
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According to my sources, the scenes in which the characters' mouths could be seen saying "philosopher" or "sorceror" they filmed two versions. If it was said by a character offscreen or with their back to the camera, they said one and the other was dubbed where necessary. So I have heard...

So, is everyone looking forward to The Friends of the Guy Who Carries the Ring? :)

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11-22-01 5:59am (new)
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ladyjdotnet
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What is the reason for making it The Philosopher's Stone in some places?

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11-22-01 8:08am (new)
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kramer_vs_kramer
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The book was originally the Philosopher's stone, but it was changed to "The Sorcerer's Stone" for the American release. Apparently because "Philosopher" was felt to be too highbrow for American kids. They also went through the book and translated it into US english ('mum' into 'mom' etc.)

11-22-01 8:16am (new)
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andydougan
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Anti-intellectualism.

We're all "anti-intellectual"....

For a country that rags the piss and plenty out of us ostensibly xenophobic Americans, you don't get out a lot.


Supposed anti-intellectualism. I don't agree with this view, but that remains the reason they changed it to "Sorcerer's" in the US.

11-22-01 2:51pm (new)
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andydougan
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What a lot of fuss for nothing.

Definitely. I anticipate it much more eagerly than some silly kids' film!

11-22-01 3:02pm (new)
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DragonXero
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The american populace is plagued by companies who, after countless moronic lawsuits, and several improper surveys, have changed their policies. They play to the lowest faction of American society, snuffing the intellectuals. It's not American society that causes these downgrades in intelligence, but capitalistic endeavours that are forced to dumb themselves down because they just want to make as much money as possible.
I'm not trying to place blame on anyone, but it's not that american culture is uncivilized, we are just misrepresented by companies and a few outspoken idiots.

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11-22-01 3:36pm (new)
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andydougan
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That's about the size of it. I'd say British culture is dumbed down to pretty much the same extent, but the powers that be seem to think we still know what philosophers are.

11-22-01 3:45pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
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to be perfectly honest with you, I think Harry Potter is a load of shit, truly, complete wank-arse-biscuits, I mean, maybe, if I was a kid then I'd like it, and to be honest, if I was a kid, I'd think Sorcerer was a lot better than Philosopher, I mean, what magic powers does a Philosopher have??

"When I hold the stone, I can, think about, things, and, stuff."

nah, I agree with them changing it, if I was a movie director and someone came to me with the Harry Potter script, your damn right I'd be making a few changes.

I'm sure no-one would remember there ever being a Lesbian snake pit orgy scene in the original book.

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11-22-01 3:56pm (new)
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andydougan
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But "the philosopher's stone" is an actual term used by alchemists. Something to do with immortality, I think. "Sorcerer's stone" is just meaningless!

11-22-01 4:15pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
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I suppose had I actually read a Harry Potter book, I would have the right to come here and start ranting like I know what I'm talking about instead of just randomly mouthing off.

I'm one of these people who'll be forced to watch the film, will secretly like it, then I'll read the book(s) and probably really like them.

Or perhaps I'll just not bother.

mind you, the last film I saw in the Cinema was "The Fast and the Furious", and I don't think we really need a discussion on that piece of shit, I'll save that rant for my psychiatrist.

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11-22-01 4:22pm (new)
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andydougan
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Ass to the G, homes!

11-22-01 4:30pm (new)
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DexX
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I am a tad fed up with people who bag the books and the movie without ever reading/watching them. It seems to happen with all big pop-culture events, and is sadly accurate in a more than a few cases. The HP books are really good, though. They aren't some mass-produced overnight corporate machine. They have taken five or six years to build up the huge following they have, and they really deserve their success. In about a week I will be going to a child-free midnight showing, which should be very nice.

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11-23-01 6:10am (new)
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andydougan
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I read the first one. The early part of the book was okay, but it had been done better before by Roald Dahl, and I just didn't think the second part was very interesting. If you're a fan, fair play to you, but don't accuse me of slagging off something I know nothing about!

11-23-01 1:22pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
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I think he was talking to me, but I admitted my wrong doing, so, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing to moan about.

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11-23-01 1:52pm (new)
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ladyjdotnet
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He didn't. He was referring to the people who slam the books WITHOUT having read them.

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11-23-01 4:30pm (new)
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DexX
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Thanks, LadyJ, that is exactly right.

What I read in the thread provoked the comment, but it was not an accusation levelled at anyone in particular.

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11-24-01 8:28am (new)
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andydougan
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Sorry, DexX, I thought that was directed at me, among others.

11-24-01 11:24am (new)
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ladyjdotnet
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Thanks, LadyJ, that is exactly right.

What I read in the thread provoked the comment, but it was not an accusation levelled at anyone in particular.


You know I've always got yer back. :)

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11-24-01 7:40pm (new)
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DexX
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I visit the HP newsgroup from time to time, and I am a bit fed up with the people who are sure they are not trolls, but come to the group for no other reason than to bash HP. Quite a few of them admit that they have not read it, haven't seen the film, have no knowledge upon which to base their hatred, but that doesn't stop them...

My comment was about those people, not anyone here.

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11-25-01 6:32am (new)
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attitudechicka
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Whoo hoo! I just wanted to say that I finally got the chance to see this movie last night, courtesy of my two "sons". They were magnificent escorts and even took me to dinner. Anyhow, the movie made sense, and though I thought a few scenes were a little longer than needed be (I was in a rush to get home... long story), I thought it was quite good. And I was surprised to see that they even had an athletic event in the movie. I suppose I was in a stereotypical state of mind when I walked in, though. All in all I give it 4.5 (out of five) stars. And I'm glad I never had to read any of the books to understand the movie :D

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11-25-01 3:49pm (new)
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