[Click to view comic: 'THE FIRE OF LOVE']

ok Ive got one thing got say,you veteran strip makers...the ones who bash and hate newbie strip makers...are being FUCKING LAME. what the fuck else do you expect from newbie strip makers? we're new..we'll get better. this is practice for me. because in real life..I actually want to be a comic book illustrator/maker and Im learning something here. I dont know..whatever.heh. I just felt some hostility coming from veteran strip makers..and its so stupid. you want people at the site to have fun and make comics..then dont elitist.

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ZOMBEEZ<3

The comic would have seemed better out of the context of your stupid rant. The comic itself is not bad (could use a bit more polish, IMHO) and the premise is funny. But after reading your rant I was predisposed to think it would be crappy.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

You don't get it, do you? We're not bashing you purely because you're new. You come and present a load of totally shite strips at us and go "HEY! I'M SO GREAT!". If you feel you're just not up to speed yet, then wait until you've made some strips you're actually proud of before you come drawing attention to yourself.

Anyway, the being inexperienced excuse doesn't really wash when it comes to the art of being funny. Surely you should be able to tell if a strip is funny or not, regardless of how new you are to the stripcreator.

I don't think you can claim that you're being pegged by elitists. Don't ask for opinions if you're not ready to hear the bad with the good.

I can't sing worth a damn. Which is why I don't waltz around on the street crooning and asking people what they think of my voice. I don't need other people telling me I sound like a sack of drowning cats. I already know.

It'd be a different story if someone stuck their head into my bathroom while I was singing in the shower and told me I sucked. Then I'd have every right to tell them to go fuck themselves.

Don't ask for opinions unless you want them.

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

I think they're only "bashing" you and "hating" you because you're acting immature. I'm a newbie and I asked for feedback. When I got it, I wasn't offended because feedback opens you up to both the positive and negative. I didn't necessarily get bashed, so simma' down and have fun, don't flip out.

Okay, here is some constructive feedback.

1. Messy: Once you start putting in too much dialogue and the graphics seem to float, it looks crappy, like you don't give a shit. If you put a lot of dialogue in the first panel to establish the size before doing the other panels, it seems to get around this. Or maybe the more experienced folks have a different way?

2. The running gag: The whole fire thing actually kind of works, though with more thought you could have added a bunch more puns.

3. Punctuation and grammar: Nothing makes a strip more crappy than when you can't spell, use proper contractions, etc. For example, the first line should read:

"Oh, Lisa! The fire in your eyes is amazing... You're so red hot!"

In other words... learn to write.

4. The punchline: He needs to do something that would make him spit when he talks. Or maybe she asks him to kiss him and he admits to being a drooler. Or something. There is some kind of "flow" lacking here.

Her "fuckin asshole" response is unfunny and unnecessary. Also, it is totally out character for a sweetly in-love flame-girl you established in the first two frames. Better to have her be a silent (dead?) pile of ashes...

Come to think of it, this whole thing would have worked better if they were having a romantic walk along the seashore, and a big wave comes in...

5. Narration: In this strip, the narration is redundant and diminishes the whole strip.

Well, that's my two cents. I'm not ripping you, just offering suggestions. If you follow this advice, you'll at least make strips that are funny to *me* (which doesn't count for much).

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

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5. Narration: In this strip, the narration is redundant and diminishes the whole strip.

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Ok now READ THIS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
We don't "bash and hate" you or any other newbs, we just "bash and hate" your specific comics because they lack the humour that most of the other stripcreator's comics have. Calm down.

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These guys amuse me even when they aren't saying anything...

[Click to view comic: 'Less is more...']

My point is either (a) the strength of a strip does not need to rely on verbiosityfulness; or, (b) I make some really crappy strips because I am easily amused, so maybe I really don't have any valuable advice to give. Take your pick.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

I don't bash strips just because they're made by newbies! I think your strips are crap because, well, they're crap. When habnem and kramer_vs_kramer first arrived here, they were hailed as being funnier than many of the regulars. So it's not just newbiephobia.

Exactly--I joined three weeks ago and was warmly welcomed, because I humbly put my strips out there for people to look at, and people happened to like them.

Being bashed has nothing to do with being new. It has everything to do with not being funny.

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"America loves its kings, from George III to Larry." --HJS

At least you're not on the recieving end of TOBOR's newbiephilia.

This is exactly like a situation at my school. There is this African kid named John, and he is the STUPIDEST kid I know, but when I tell his people I hate him, they say "oh you just hate him because he's black" and I'm all, no I hate him because no sane person on earth would like him. Freaking kids.

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My point is either (a) the strength of a strip does not need to rely on verbiosityfulness; or, (b) I make some really crappy strips because I am easily amused, so maybe I really don't have any valuable advice to give. Take your pick.

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As for me, sometimes I just pull stray thoughts out of my ass. (But it is a very special ass.)

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"Nothing expresses the brutal grandeur of rectal polyps and anal fistulae quite like the mother-tongue of Goethe."