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NGrassi22
January 30, 2004 4:57 PM

Anyone feel Stripcreator has "lost something"?
I love SC, can't go a day with out loggin on, and yes I once was a stupid, foolish n00b. Now, though, I have learnt my place. But I feel SC has changed so rapidly, over the time span of one month...maby two. I'm saying that what used to be a small Site with sophisticated humor is becoming...corny humor. I don't know, don't bash this, I'm just saying how I feel. I'm not puttinf Stripcreator down, I'm just stating a point. Anyone else feel this, in some way?

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MaKK_BeNN
January 30, 2004 5:02 PM

If there's one thing SC has always been free of, it's corny humor. Better nip this in the bud.

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Brad
January 30, 2004 8:39 PM

[banning all corn]

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DragonXero
January 30, 2004 8:59 PM

I feel my mind slipping, brad. Daisy... Daisy.... Give me your... answer... *blip*

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Spankling
January 30, 2004 9:22 PM

TOBOR CORNHOLING THE BAND!

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Inflatable_Man
January 31, 2004 9:44 AM

NGrassi, you have absolutely no credibility in criticizing other peoples strips, because you have some of the worst strips on this site. You're a suck-up (you attack dcom and boinky and then when you see you can't win, you stick them in your favorites and try to make love to them so people don't hate you afterwards) and a joke. And you're still a foolish n00b. You've been on this site... what... a month or two?

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BigEvilDan
January 31, 2004 9:51 AM

This site has been going downhill since Jan. 7, 2001.

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ObiJo
January 31, 2004 10:25 AM

I find it a hard case to make that the comics are going downhill. The forums have changed, some people may like the changes, some people may not. But the comics are as funny as ever, imo.

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MikeyG
January 31, 2004 7:14 PM

I laugh at regs and n00bs alike. Some people are funny, some people aren't. NGrassi-assi22 definitely falls into the latter category. Pure. Eructation.

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User #16352
January 31, 2004 8:30 PM

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[banning all corn]

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DragonXero
January 31, 2004 10:36 PM

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This site has been going downhill since Jan. 7, 2001.

No way. It was perfectly fine until February 26, 2001.

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dcomposed
January 31, 2004 11:10 PM

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This site has been going downhill since Jan. 7, 2001.

No way. It was perfectly fine until February 26, 2001.
I agree.

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MaxPayne
February 1, 2004 5:14 AM

it was great until this thread

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KajunFirefly
February 1, 2004 6:09 AM

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I find it a hard case to make that the comics are going downhill. The forums have changed, some people may like the changes, some people may not. But the comics are as funny as ever, imo.
Yeah, sometimes I wonder why the people who come to a comic creation site and complain about the forums don't just continue to make comics and go and socialise elsewhere. If they don't like the other users, they can go and share links to their comics with people from some other website. People who share their same sense of humour or something. Brad can't be held responsible for his user's posts or opinions, we do our best to weed out the anti-social crap but everything else is just a matter of opinion.

If you don't like the regulars, don't try so hard to become one.

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ObiJo
February 1, 2004 6:35 AM

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Yeah, sometimes I wonder why the people who come to a comic creation site and complain about the forums don't just continue to make comics and go and socialise elsewhere.

There's probably 50 answers to that, all as unique as the individuals. In general, it comes down to competing desires - some aspect of the forums they like enough to stay here, while other aspects they dislike enough to complain about.

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KajunFirefly
February 1, 2004 6:47 AM

All I'm saying is the whole point of this website is to make comics, not friends.

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ObiJo
February 1, 2004 8:59 AM

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All I'm saying is the whole point of this website is to make comics, not friends.

If that were true, there wouldn't even be forums.

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KajunFirefly
February 1, 2004 9:19 AM

Good point.

But this thread is the same one that crops up once every month or so, even Bunner posted a whiney long-winded version of the same "not as good as it used to be" complaint.

If you think of the forums as a party, at the start, people keep on arriving and everyone starts to enjoy themselves more. As the night drags on, people leave, perhaps they have work in the morning or have found cooler friends, perhaps they just caught Spankling trying it on with their sister in the bathroom. Sometimes a perfectly good party can be ruined by a bunch of complete ass-pirates and it takes a while before they pass out on the stairs.

Personally, I would never turn round to the host and say "Oi, this party isn't as much fun as it was half an hour ago!", I would just fuck off into the garden for a smoke.

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ObiJo
February 1, 2004 10:15 AM

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Personally, I would never turn round to the host and say "Oi, this party isn't as much fun as it was half an hour ago!", I would just fuck off into the garden for a smoke.

Which is perfectly cool. But it's no less cool to say to the host, "I'm not having as much fun since we stopped drinking and started playing trivial pursuit." Otherwise, you could end up having 100 people playing trivial pursuit when only 5 really wanted to, all because the other 95 didn't speak up. If the host says, "Fuck off. I'm having fun playing trivial pursuit," then we play trivial pursuit. If he says "You know what, I was having more fun when we were drinking too," then we try to start drinking again.

That said though, I'm starting to think the party's just fine. Maybe the problem lies with some of the first partygoers to arrive. They talk about the first 15 minutes of the party so much, they miss the fact that new arrivals to the party are having a great time.

And that's the true measure of a good party.

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MaKK_BeNN
February 1, 2004 12:02 PM

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With IRC gone, wherever will I stroll around, clucking my tongue, stroking my beard, asking, "What's to be done with this Stripcreator?"

So I can do that here then. Sweet.

How come I can't get a good open-faced turkey sandwich up in here?

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Brad
February 1, 2004 1:21 PM

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Which is perfectly cool. But it's no less cool to say to the host, "I'm not having as much fun since we stopped drinking and started playing trivial pursuit."

I don't get much of that though. I just get "STRIPCREATOR WAS BETTER BEFORE. IT SUCKS NOW" and when I ask why I get "STRIPCREATOR SUCKS NOW. IT WAS BETTER BEFORE" and maybe a list of users who aren't around anymore to illustrate it. Not much I can do with that.

This whole leaving forever thing has lost its charm and I think I'm going to start moving all those threads over to this forum as they happen. People can at least be moody and introspective in the appropriate forum.

I agree with Kajun and Obijo. Constructive feedback is cool, but just announcing that everything sucks here before you leave just seems like a ploy for attention or an attempt to pick a fight to me.

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MikeyG
February 1, 2004 2:07 PM

I personally loved mmyers' mad-lib version of the 'I'm leaving forever' phenomenon. We should resurrect it.

Jesus, a lot of people here love this place. Kajun and ObiJo hit the nail on the motherfucking head. If someone has a goddamn problem with the party they're at, they go to another fucking party. Or they stick around and hope it gets better. I came here, I paid my fucking cup charge. I've been tapping the keg with that same damn cup since then. Who the fuck pays for a cup and leaves the party before you get your money's worth?

I think stripcreator sucks now because it was better before. Like when those other guys were here. Now there are these guys and they're not as good, so Stripcreator sucks.

P.S. - I challenge Brad to a slapfight by the monkeybars after school.

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smamurai
February 2, 2004 5:34 AM

When old regs start complaining about the good old days they are really just sublimating their fears that they are no good anymore. That's what it comes down to, you guys enjoyed this place more when you thought your own personal comics were funny, now that you are grasping for teh funny it's only natural that you place the blame elsewhere. Here, by saying that the goodness on this forum is now no longer at the level that is conducive to you for making good comics is a childish (but common) defence mechanism.
This place is really funny and there is also competion to be funny. Perhaps when the old 'Gods' were here you consoled yourself by placing them on a pedestal as some sort of super human gag machines and that should they ever go you will become funniest by default, then you crash to reality by realising that this is not so. Soon you will have to place the new guys on a pedestal. Or take a fucking holiday, forget about this place for a while and come back making the super funny comics that you know you can. New experience is the facial sauna to the greasy pore of writers block.

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Zaster
February 2, 2004 6:03 AM

I don't know. Whenever people fail to adequately amuse you in real life, don't you guys usually find that it helps to announce in a loud, strident tone, "this place sucks. It was so much better before you people showed up. You know, back when those other guys were here!"

That usually livens up a room pretty well, doesn't it? Guys?

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ObiJo
February 2, 2004 6:05 AM

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When old regs start complaining about the good old days they are really just sublimating their fears that they are no good anymore. That's what it comes down to, you guys enjoyed this place more when you thought your own personal comics were funny, now that you are grasping for teh funny it's only natural that you place the blame elsewhere. Here, by saying that the goodness on this forum is now no longer at the level that is conducive to you for making good comics is a childish (but common) defence mechanism.
This place is really funny and there is also competion to be funny. Perhaps when the old 'Gods' were here you consoled yourself by placing them on a pedestal as some sort of super human gag machines and that should they ever go you will become funniest by default, then you crash to reality by realising that this is not so. Soon you will have to place the new guys on a pedestal. Or take a fucking holiday, forget about this place for a while and come back making the super funny comics that you know you can. New experience is the facial sauna to the greasy pore of writers block.

That entire theory falls apart when you take into consideration an old reg like me who says that the comics are as funny now as they ever were, but, to me, the forums aren't as much fun. If I, or other regs, were doing what you said and trying to put ourselves on a pedestal, surely we'd be saying the comics are going to hell. The fact that we're not shoots the entire theory in the arse.

I do agree, though, that it has more to do with the old regs themselves than the site. Here's something I emailed to someone earlier, and I'll copy and paste it here, since it states rather concisely my take on it:

"I think it's more that the people are changing than the site is changing. Not just changing with the type of peeps arriving (which boorite nailed when he was talking about how at first, when the site was smaller, those arriving were more likely to be "like us"), but also changes in the people themselves. That is, the longer peeps stay, the more comics they make, the less new ideas they have, the more likely they are not to enjoy the site as much. That really has nothing to do with how the site is run, and completely to do with the nature of people and creativity. What I'm saying is, maybe on a site like stripcreator, it's a natural process to have a turnover, to every so many years have a changing of the guard."

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smamurai
February 2, 2004 6:26 AM

The gist of my post is pretty much the same as most. Stop playing the victim or leave. I guess I was using the 'running out of strip ideas' as a metaphor, which is kinda stupid because on Stripcreator it would naturally occur to take it literally.
I mean what is the point of moaning that the guys on the forum are not entertaining you to the level they have become accustomed? Shit why don't they up their game and show us all how it's done.
In fact don't, 'cos I am pretty fucking amused with what goes on right now as it is. I don't want to see what the old fashioned folks on SC thought passed for entertainment back in the day. Probably involves walking for miles for a bit of stale bread then proclaiming that your glad to have it (once you got it), and you don't want none of that fancy assed tuna mayonaisse spoiling your dry mighty white.

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ObiJo
February 2, 2004 6:43 AM

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I mean what is the point of moaning that the guys on the forum are not entertaining you to the level they have become accustomed?

People "moaning" about the forums is no less valid than you "moaning" about people moaning about the forums. They're both genuinely-felt opinions so we express them.

But, again, since I've realized that the opinion says more about me then it does the site, in the future I'll probably be more likely to go out in the garden and grab a smoke.

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Zaster
February 2, 2004 6:47 AM

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People "moaning" about the forums is no less valid than you "moaning" about people moaning about the forums. They're both genuinely-felt opinions so we express them.
All this moaning is getting me hot.

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smamurai
February 2, 2004 6:49 AM

Actually maybe it wasn't a metaphor, maybe I was projecting, and imagining what my motives would be if I was slagging off a site that I used to love. Maybe .

Got a light?

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ObiJo
February 2, 2004 6:58 AM

*lights smam's cigarette*

*looks out at the garden*

Is it just me or did this garden used to be a lot more fun?

*looks at smam frowning*

*shuts up*

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Beaz
February 2, 2004 7:58 AM

Why do we bother even talking about this? Seriously.

As was said (I think by Kajun), this site is intended for COMIC CREATION. Fast. Simple. Requires no talent to put a strip together.

The fact that there seems to be more and more crap probably springs from the fact that more people know about the site, so more and more new faces are showing up. Not EVERYONE is funny. However, with the slew of new users, many genuinely creative people will show up. So honestly, quit worrying about what's going downhill or how nothing is funny anymore.

I was here a year ago, made a few crappy comics, and left. The site was cool, but I didn't think much about the comics. Some people were funny, sure, but overall I wasn't just grabbed by the content on StripCreator. Recently I came back out of curiosity, read the forums, read the comics, and really enjoyed what I saw. I tried a little harder, and now I have a few fans.

If anything, I think this site is getting better. StripCreator is only going to be what you make it. Take it for what it is, a comic-creation website, and then just appreciate the extras: a forum to create friends, people to talk to in IRC (doesn't have to be officially hosted), and just a place to do crap all day when your boss isn't looking.

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smamurai
February 2, 2004 8:03 AM

What is this. Is this Blossom? Am I in an epsiode of fucking Blossom? Aww fuck it, I luv you guys and we should all be trully shamed by beaz's 'moral of the story' post. Or my names not Gupta Raknesh. Which it isn't.

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MikeyG
February 2, 2004 8:17 AM

Brad still hasn't answered my challenge for a slapfight by the monkeybars on the playground after school.

Anyway, here's the crux of the matter:

THIS SITE IS AWESOME. Who gives a shit what whiney motherfuckers think? The forum is a fucking option. I came here because I like to make comic strips. Now I am here because I got know people and I like to compete in the comic competitions. If you don't like the people, don't use the fucking forums. Use the site for what it was designed for, which is to make fucking comics.

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Beaz
February 2, 2004 8:58 AM

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What is this. Is this Blossom? Am I in an epsiode of fucking Blossom? Aww fuck it, I luv you guys and we should all be trully shamed by beaz's 'moral of the story' post. Or my names not Gupta Raknesh. Which it isn't.

So much for making an inciteful post on pointlessness. I'm not trying to tell everyone to hug and kiss. I'm telling everyone to STFU and make the site what they want it. As Mikey just said, the forums and everything else are an OPTION. Use them or don't. Show them to your actual flesh and blood friends, or don't. But no one should make a big deal about this site going downhill or uphill.

That's the same as saying this country (USA) is going downhill. Well, people could say that North America has been on a "suck-slope" since 1492. Others would realize it's going uphill.

There's a mix of good and bad here. That's all I'm trying to say. Talking about why this site does/doesn't suck is just as ridiculous as the suicide, sex, and other threatening talks in the IRC chat. What's the fucking point? There isn't one. If people don't like it, leave. No one's going to change for you.

If in the future you'd prefer me to just be blatantly ignorant and just post emotionally fueled opinions on this and that, I'm sorry, I can't bring myself down to that on a recreational website.

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smamurai
February 2, 2004 9:13 AM

Nah I agree with you beaz, I was just being mental and I wanted to use the word Gupta in a sentence.

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Beaz
February 2, 2004 9:17 AM

Thank god you told me that. I was about to kill myself.

;)

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boorite
February 2, 2004 9:31 AM

After carefully reading through this thread, one thing is clear: You can all blow me.

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KajunFirefly
February 2, 2004 10:16 AM

I'm just glad I've encouraged people to come smoke with me in the garden.

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MikeyG
February 2, 2004 10:23 AM

After carefully studying the exact juxtaposition of the letters and the prosaic style which may have been behind the last post, I have come to an educated hypothesis that boorite, too, can blow boorite.

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ObiJo
February 2, 2004 10:37 AM

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If in the future you'd prefer me to just be blatantly ignorant and just post emotionally fueled opinions on this and that, I'm sorry, I can't bring myself down to that on a recreational website.

What you need to understand though is that when you're telling other people what they should and shouldn't be feeling and posting, you already are giving emotionally-fueled opinions.

quote:
I'm just glad I've encouraged people to come smoke with me in the garden.

I was actually discouraged by the fact that you were out there yacking in the tulips, but encouraged by the fact that boorite was giving handjobs by the daffodils.

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KajunFirefly
February 2, 2004 10:58 AM

Boorite's smoking something else in the garden, and it's flaming.

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MikeyG
February 2, 2004 11:17 AM

My pole is NOT flaming!

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Beaz
February 2, 2004 11:42 AM

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What you need to understand though is that when you're telling other people what they should and shouldn't be feeling and posting, you already are giving emotionally-fueled opinions.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how they should feel and what they should post. My first post was a question: Why is this a discussion?

This is a comic-strip site, take it or leave it. In its current form, it won't (shouldn't) affect anything in our personal lives in any way whatsoever.

What I meant by emotionally fueled opinions was the way people make big deals about leaving ("Going away forever" threads), Brad shutting down IRC ("He sucks! I can't chat in IRC, my life is ruined!"), or any other change to the site.

I also hit the fact that more and more people are finding out about SC, and that's a GOOD thing. Without new people, SC would stagnate and die.

People have a right to feel this place isn't as good as THEY want it to be anymore, I just didn't understand why it had to be some big discussion.

This is all, of course, just my opinion as well.

Back to work for me.

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wirthling
February 2, 2004 8:49 PM

*End drama*

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Zaster
February 3, 2004 5:06 AM

/ME tips the violin players.

Somebody had to do it. Cheapskates.

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Beaz
February 3, 2004 6:09 AM

"Bah humbug" to the lot of ya.

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kaufman
February 3, 2004 6:59 AM

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/ME tips the violin players.

Somebody had to do it.


Fool! Now someone's going to trip over them.

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boorite
February 3, 2004 9:07 AM

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/ME tips the violin players.

Somebody had to do it.


Fool! Now someone's going to trip over them.

I abhor wanton violins.

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kaufman
February 3, 2004 9:40 AM

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/ME tips the violin players.

Somebody had to do it.


Fool! Now someone's going to trip over them.

I abhor wanton violins.
Ok. No soup for boorite.

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mmyers
February 3, 2004 9:49 AM

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/ME tips the violin players.

Somebody had to do it.


Fool! Now someone's going to trip over them.

I abhor wanton violins.
Ok. No soup for boorite.

I was an ab whore but then I found I liked a little pudge.

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