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Spankling March 9, 2004 8:55 PM	At least that's what she said her name was. Funny name that. anyway - the following is fucked. 66%+ of US crops forever tainted with GM genes We should be able to sue the bastards for this.
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not_Scyess March 9, 2004 10:13 PM	That article uses words like "contaminated," even though "genetically modified" means just that; it doesn't mean it's poison and death. Geez. You'd think they were releasing a strain of Mad Grain Disease.
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Rabid_Weasle March 9, 2004 10:16 PM	Organic, non-organic, it all ends up the same in the end.
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Inflatable_Man March 9, 2004 10:36 PM	Yes. In a German pornstar's mouth. Barring that, then Rabid.
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MaKK_BeNN March 10, 2004 12:30 AM	Genes aren't organic? Plants and animals have been genetically modified for centuries.
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Chi_The_Cynic
March 10, 2004 4:25 AM

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66%+ of US crops forever tainted with GM genes

We should be able to sue the bastards for this.

It's attitudes like yours which get the long-haired smelly hippies in the UK to destroy fields of perfectly good corn because "they have reason to believe it might have been genetically modified". When will the bleeding hearts realise that GM food is not an issue for the West - it's about being able to produce high yield crops in the Third World to help alleviate starvation. It's got nothing to do with "Frakenstein Foods" and "contamination" - that article you cited is nothing more than scaremongering nonsense.

As for so-called "Organic" food, it's just an excuse to get middle-class housewives to spend more on their groceries so they can brag to everybody they know that "my family eats only organic food, it's soooo much healthier". If it's a vegetable, it's organic. End of story.

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graykane March 10, 2004 8:54 AM	actually, i don't think we can comment either way. the article doesn't explain what it means by contaminated or even "hurt." i'm sure people who don't trust anything but organic foods would be emotionally hurt by having to eat genetically modified foods. but the article could also mean something more serious. it's either intentionally vague for political reasons, or it's just bad writing.
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EvilZak March 10, 2004 12:10 PM	How many people have died from eating genetically modified food?
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OMG_DaGmAr_6481987 March 10, 2004 12:32 PM	quote: How many people have died from eating genetically modified food? Genetically modified food does not cause death. Death causes death. It's a proven medical fact.
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MaKK_BeNN March 10, 2004 12:56 PM	Technically cross-breeding plants is genetic modification. Like I said that has been going on for centuries.
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xxausrottenxx March 10, 2004 6:29 PM	man, and ive always liked the idea of hamburger plants
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Spankling March 10, 2004 8:30 PM	There used to be zillions of kinds of wheat. Now there are precious few. And people are becoming more and more glutton intolerant because of it, you morons. Didn't watching Godzilla teach you anything? When people fuck with nature, they fuck it up. In the process of making what we think we want we destroy what we need. Oh... and sorry about that moron crack... sort of.
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MaKK_BeNN
March 10, 2004 10:29 PM

Godzilla was awoken by nuclear testing, not genetic engineering, everyone knows that.

Also..um..Spankling that was just a movie. It was all fakey. 100% fakey. Just take a good look at it, all the buildings are models and Godzilla is just a sweaty guy in a rubber suit.

If one strain of wheat survives in nature it is more fit to live, it doesn't tend to survive because it is better for us to eat, nor does it try to be more rich in nutrients. Natural selection isn't a dinner menu.

Also do you mean more glucose intolerant? Or less tolerant to mutton? I don't get what you mean.

Are we becoming:

A) Less tolerant of a person who is devoted to eating and drinking to excess due to less diversified wheat species?

B) Less tolerant of a wolverine of northern Eurasia due to less diversified wheat species?

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Chi_The_Cynic
March 11, 2004 4:27 AM

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When people fuck with nature, they fuck it up. In the process of making what we think we want we destroy what we need.

Ok, so should we all go and live in caves, eating only the fruit which falls off the trees? Come on, Spankling, human beings have been "fucking" with nature ever since they learnt how to hunt animals and build their own shelters. Genetic modification is just the latest way in which we impose our will onto nature to get what we want from it - nature wasn't designed for us, but we can at least alter it to better suit our needs.

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MikeyG March 11, 2004 6:35 AM	quote: Genetically modified food does not cause death. Death causes death. It's a proven medical fact. That may be the funniest thing Dagmar has ever said.
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boorite March 11, 2004 7:39 AM	I know guys in their 80s who have probably ingested a certain amount of aviation fuel over the years. So I'm not too worried about carrots with eyeballs sticking out of them or whatever. However, patents + monocropping = danger. It's the economy, stupid.
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kaufman March 11, 2004 8:35 AM	quote: There used to be zillions of kinds of wheat. Now there are precious few. And people are becoming more and more glutton intolerant because of it, you morons. I seriously hope that was a pun and not a misspelling -- if the former, it was hilarious. quote: Didn't watching Godzilla teach you anything? Godzilla, schmodzilla. It was those damned tribbles who ate all our wheat.
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MaKK_BeNN March 11, 2004 8:42 AM	quote: Ok, so should we all go and live in caves, eating only the fruit which falls off the trees? I am actually fond of this idea.
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Chi_The_Cynic March 11, 2004 11:18 AM	quote: quote: Ok, so should we all go and live in caves, eating only the fruit which falls off the trees? I am actually fond of this idea. But... but... then there would be no SC!
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Zaster March 11, 2004 2:00 PM	quote: quote: quote: Ok, so should we all go and live in caves, eating only the fruit which falls off the trees? I am actually fond of this idea. But... but... then there would be no SC! Sure there would! Check it out...
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EvilZak March 11, 2004 2:09 PM	Someone should tell Grunk to stop speaking in 1337. It makes his cave comics less funny.
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choadwarrior March 11, 2004 4:46 PM
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User #16352 March 11, 2004 4:57 PM	MADE OF PEOPLE! PEEEOOOOPLE!!!!
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Rabid_Weasle March 11, 2004 5:43 PM	Hmmm... boinky... you're looking rather ripe today.
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User #16352 March 11, 2004 6:06 PM	Pardon me?
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Spankling
March 11, 2004 7:19 PM

Okay... I've tried humor... silly movies... goofy puns... but you people don't get it. I don't mind people advancing now and then. I'm rather fond of not having polio.

But the reason people go hungry is not because the food we already grow can't feed them. It is because rich bastards are hogging it all - the profit motive is out of control. Let's fix what the problem is instead of fucking up plant life by destroying diversity.

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MaKK_BeNN March 11, 2004 7:30 PM	You're allowed to start a farm or garden if you want. It's actually a bad thing for the economy if too many people produce food for market sale though (please refer to the Great Depression).
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User #16352 March 11, 2004 7:54 PM	The Great Depression wasn't all that great.
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User #16352 March 11, 2004 7:55 PM	There were many negatives.
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NooniePuuBunny March 11, 2004 9:24 PM	quote: ...I'm not too worried about carrots with eyeballs sticking out of them or whatever. I've been eating genetically modified food for years! Eyeballs are good for you. They'll put hair on your chest. Albeit purple hair...and that extra forearm sticking out of my forehead isn't too pleasant...but hey! I feel great! ::) Those carrots have given me perfect 20/20/20/20 vision!
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DragonXero March 12, 2004 1:36 AM	quote: MADE OF PEOPLE! PEEEOOOOPLE!!!! Made of TOBORRRR!! TOBORRRRR!!!!!
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Zaster
March 12, 2004 5:31 AM

On paper at least, GM technology has the potential to greatly increase food production in parts of the world that are lacking. Drought and insect resistant resistant crops should be a boon to such areas. Of course, whether that will actually happen is another matter. There are parts of the world that could benefit from western medicines and vaccines too, yet people are still crippled and killed by stupid stuff like polio and bubonic plague.

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MikeyG
March 12, 2004 6:39 AM

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On paper at least, GM technology has the potential to greatly increase food production in parts of the world that are lacking.

Well, a company like GE actually doing something to purely benefit mankind is something we have yet to see.

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Drought and insect resistant resistant crops should be a boon to such areas.

There will possibly be drought-resistant crops one day, but there will never be insect resistant crops. The more we tinker with nature, the more nature will evolve to adapt. Why do you think there have been so many different formulas for insect repellants over the last 50 years? The insects adapt and become immune. Unless we can create a Venus Fly Cornstalk or something like that, we've got to deal with it.

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Of course, whether that will actually happen is another matter. There are parts of the world that could benefit from western medicines and vaccines too, yet people are still crippled and killed by stupid stuff like polio and bubonic plague.

This is true. Don't send money to these Christian organizations that have some fat old dude or Sally Struthers claiming the children need it. Donate to the missionary arm of the Red Cross or the Peace Corps. That's a good way to help Western medicine and vaccinations to get to these people.

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andydougan March 12, 2004 6:51 AM	quote: When people fuck with nature, they fuck it up. In the process of making what we think we want we destroy what we need. Yeah, so let's not build houses. Let's not harness electricity. Let's not develop medicines. Why is GM "fucking with nature" and other technologies aren't?
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MaKK_BeNN March 12, 2004 10:12 AM	"GM" isn't even neccessarily technology. Sometimes it's as simple as cross-breeding plants. I've always been perplexed as to why this issue was attached to the liberal movement. Aren't you people supposed to be for the advancement of mankind through science? Ever hear of the Dark Ages?
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NooniePuuBunny March 12, 2004 7:11 PM	quote: "GM" isn't even neccessarily technology. Sometimes it's as simple as cross-breeding plants. I've always been perplexed as to why this issue was attached to the liberal movement. Aren't you people supposed to be for the advancement of mankind through science? Ever hear of the Dark Ages? They still cross-bred plants in the dark ages. ::)
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MaKK_BeNN
March 12, 2004 7:52 PM

My understanding is that people didn't have a general concept of genetics and its role in cross-breeding until the 1800's (with the work of Mendel).

You could say people unintentionally "genetically engineered" plants and animals before that. Most species of domestic dogs and cats as well as European royalty are the result of this first-degree mucking with "nature".

Hey aren't people natural, and so too the scientific spirit?

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NooniePuuBunny March 12, 2004 7:57 PM	quote: Most species of domestic dogs and cats as well as European royalty are the result of this first-degree mucking with "nature". ::) Hence why there are those rats with curly hair that people call "poodles".
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DragonXero March 12, 2004 8:27 PM	quote: quote: Most species of domestic dogs and cats as well as European royalty are the result of this first-degree mucking with "nature". ::) Hence why there are those rats with curly hair that people call "poodles". Don't forget: Dogs that can't bark, cats that can't hear, people who can't read, and presidents who have trouble distinguishing Osama Bin Laden from Sadam Hussein.
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andydougan March 12, 2004 8:35 PM	I'm going to be interviewing Green Party parliamentarian Robin Harper about GM on Tuesday. Anyone get any ideas for questions?
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andydougan March 12, 2004 8:36 PM	Seriously.
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Spankling
March 12, 2004 8:46 PM

Cross pollination and stuffing jellyfish genetics into soy beans are two different things. All this new-age crap about GM making the world a better place is a pipe dream. Its just another way for a few people to get rich while the world starves. Only while they do, the jellybean soyfish will cross-pollinate with everything on the planet so that no one can get a decent, god-fearing jelly fish to eat anymore. Is that the kind of world you want to leave to your children!?!

When we are all dead from this I am SOOOOO gonna say I told you so!

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andydougan March 12, 2004 8:49 PM	"New-age crap"? Aren't the new-age lot against GM?
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Spankling March 12, 2004 8:50 PM	This la-la idea that GM is gonna cure world hunger sounds pretty far out there to me.
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EvilZak March 12, 2004 9:55 PM	Many people in third world nations, where food is not GM, are starving. The United States, which has almost zero starvation, has a 66% rate of crops "forever tainted with GM genes". So how the hell does GM equal famine?
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MikeyG March 12, 2004 9:59 PM	quote: I'm going to be interviewing Green Party parliamentarian Robin Harper about GM on Tuesday. Anyone get any ideas for questions? Wobin, if you wewe a twee, what kind of twee would you bee?
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MaKK_BeNN
March 12, 2004 11:14 PM

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Anyone get any ideas for questions?

How about asking "Who are you and basically what is your deal?"

Then after a long awkward pause, which he may enter into by trying to laugh off your question:

"Seriously."

Then stare blankly at him.

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When we are all dead from this I am SOOOOO gonna say I told you so!

Put it in your will that your tombstone should read "Told ya so."

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All this new-age crap about GM making the world a better place is a pipe dream. Its just another way for a few people to get rich while the world starves.

How the hell does GM mean the poor getting poorer?

And if GM species are going to "cross-polinate" everything, isn't that a form of survival of the fitest?

And if it happens, doesn't it mean the genetically modified species are then available to everyone (and if so again, how does that mean the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because of GM?)

Basically are you RACIST AGAINST JELLYFISH???

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Zaster
March 13, 2004 5:15 AM

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All this new-age crap about GM making the world a better place is a pipe dream. Its just another way for a few people to get rich while the world starves.

Well yes, most things turn out that way in practice. It's not inherent in the technology though, just basic human opportunism. Like I said, people die everyday from easily preventable diseases while the world's wealthy live long enough to cut thier great-grandkids in on the estate.

There probably is a case to be made that genetic technologies (like ten million other things) have been handled irresponsibly in the quest for pure profit. My problem with the anti-GM crowd is that they've turned it into some simplistic totem of evil ("frankenfoods") instead of presenting realistic ways of using an obviously powerful tool more wisely. This makes them seem marginal and reactionary in my view. But that's not a dig at you -- just my take on the debate as I've seen it played out in the news.

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Only while they do, the jellybean soyfish will cross-pollinate with everything on the planet so that no one can get a decent, god-fearing jelly fish to eat anymore. Is that the kind of world you want to leave to your children!?!

You're ignoring the obvious serious benefits to mankind. Peanut butter and jellyfish could be a reality in our lifetime!

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Spankling March 13, 2004 8:29 AM	quote: Many people in third world nations, where food is not GM, are starving. The United States, which has almost zero starvation, has a 66% rate of crops "forever tainted with GM genes". So how the hell does GM equal famine? The US could feed the world without GM. How does GM help?
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MaKK_BeNN March 13, 2004 9:09 AM	You're not answering the very obvious question you yourself bring up: how does it hurt?
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