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Spankling
June 5, 2004 11:58 PM

On the day that Ronny Ray-gun has finally gone to hell I would like to tip my hat.

I would like to point out that around the time he was Gov of CA (telling the national guard to open fire on college students) liberals were taking a foothold in media culture. I'm not saying they actually won power to do much, but at that time there actually was such a thing as a liberal media. It wasnâ€™t all media, but at least back then the idea wasn't laughable like it is today.

So did we do much with it? No. Jack shit, actually.

Oh, that's right. We stopped a war. That was good.

And there was the civil rights movement...

Damn. I really started this to suggest that when liberals had a chance to do something they sat back but now I see progress made.

Oh yeah... there were fuck ups along the way... corruption (Enron)... drug addiction (Rush)... also had liberal counterparts.

So what do you think? Did the liberals actually do anything with the few years they had 50% control of the national debate?

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DragonXero
June 6, 2004 5:06 AM

Okay Spankling, look. I usually hold a lot of respect for you, but this is fucking bullshit. You couldn't wait a day or two to do this crap? Some people actually fucking cared about Reagan, and just because YOU didn't like his politics is not a reason to talk shit on his fucking grave. Likewise I wouldn't say "THANK GOD HE'S DEAD!" if Clinton, Gore, or even Kerry passed. Have a little respect for the man, even if you don't like his politics, he's still a human being.

And I don't want to hear a word from Maak on this issue, becuase I know he'll just fuck it up and politicize it. This isn't about Dems Vs. Reps., this is about mutual respect and having a fucking heart.

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jools
June 6, 2004 10:09 AM

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Okay Spankling, look. I usually hold a lot of respect for you, but this is fucking bullshit. You couldn't wait a day or two to do this crap? Some people actually fucking cared about Reagan, and just because YOU didn't like his politics is not a reason to talk shit on his fucking grave. Likewise I wouldn't say "THANK GOD HE'S DEAD!" if Clinton, Gore, or even Kerry passed. Have a little respect for the man, even if you don't like his politics, he's still a human being.

And I don't want to hear a word from Maak on this issue, becuase I know he'll just fuck it up and politicize it. This isn't about Dems Vs. Reps., this is about mutual respect and having a fucking heart.

The only shit-talking I can see is in the opening comment.

And it seems a fair enough comment to me.

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biped June 6, 2004 10:21 AM	Yikes.
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Spankling
June 6, 2004 11:02 AM

DX made a good point about him being human. I fell short of my ideal on that one, though I tried to be fair. I can intellectually agree that Hitler was human and that his life was precious. I just have a hard time accepting it in my heart.

I've edited this down many times. I'll try to grow up a little and leave it as is instead of adding more. I cannot celebrate his life. But I don't mean to celebrate his passing either.

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jools June 6, 2004 11:25 AM	You ever heard Tramp The Dirt Down by Elvis Costello?
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MaKK_BeNN
June 6, 2004 11:28 AM

As compassionate as liberals claim to be they always seem the ones rejoicing the most when someone dies. That doesn't make me angry, but maybe you need some quiet reflection time Spankling.

Also your comparrisons to Hitler would no doubt offend the families of Holocaust survivors. Equating the pain you feel when an opposing political party is in office with genocide is a bit grandiose at best. You might as well be saying all liberals were worse off than the slaves of the American South. I'd like to see how far you got on an ethnically diverse street corner saying something like that.

I encourage you to do some research about the Holocaust before you make such statements about anyone. Maybe you were trying to specifically target me with this post, but I sincerely do actually feel sad for you now.

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hitler June 6, 2004 11:45 AM	Hey! Keep me out of this.
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possums
June 6, 2004 1:15 PM

I thought Reagan was a moron too (Rambo is a republican! Dur hur!), but I wouldn't wish dying of alzheimer's on my worst enemy or even maak. Do you know how you die of alzheimer's? You eventually forget how to swallow your food, or how to breathe, or how to take a shit. You lose some sort of bodily function and then you die a slow, painful death like a newborn baby. I feel sorry for Reagan, even though I thought he died like two years ago. I guess he's just been a recluse for awhile.

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possums June 6, 2004 1:16 PM	quote: Also your comparrisons to Hitler would no doubt offend the families of Holocaust survivors. Nah, I'm fine with it.
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Spankling June 6, 2004 1:37 PM	Can we get back to liberal bashing now?
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MaKK_BeNN June 6, 2004 1:57 PM	You do a pretty good job of bashing yourself.
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Spankling June 6, 2004 2:00 PM	I would ask you to explain but I would just get more clucking and feather flapping. One thing to be said for Ronny. He didn't ask for a deferment and you can find more than dental records in his military file.
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ArtemisStrong June 6, 2004 3:33 PM	All I have to say is- -Where's the [sic] Word Puzzle on NPR today! [sic] [sic], I live for that weekly segment, [sic]!
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fuzzyman June 6, 2004 6:23 PM	Actually, Alzheimers might explain Makk's train of thought, or lack thereof.
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DragonXero
June 6, 2004 7:51 PM

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DX made a good point about him being human. I fell short of my ideal on that one, though I tried to be fair. I can intellectually agree that Hitler was human and that his life was precious. I just have a hard time accepting it in my heart.

I've edited this down many times. I'll try to grow up a little and leave it as is instead of adding more. I cannot celebrate his life. But I don't mean to celebrate his passing either.

That's good enough for me, even if the statements within don't feel entirely without a little sarcasm. I don't ask that you mourn the loss of Ronald Reagan, but I do ask that you at least not celebrate his death. Sorry for the angered outcry, but I just felt it needed to be said.

I will, however, agree that using his death to mark a day of liberal-bashing by the right-wingers is horseshit. In my opinion, that's WORSE than tearing on him on the eve of his end. Both the right and the left need to chill the fuck out. Everyone's at everyone else's throat these days, and I for one am SICK of the negativity involved in the political process. I can't even see myself agreeing with either side, because all the most vocal people in politics these days are complete selfish assholes who can't even let the death of a man some see as great, some see as horrible, but most see as influential, go by without making stupid comments about the other side. This, I think is the problem with today's politics. This board alone is enough to show what is happening. Makk and Spankling are at eachother's throats constantly. This would be fine if it never spilled over into other parts of the site, and made us all uncomfortable and annoyed. I have had civil conversations about politics, but when I see they're degrading into name-calling and trite political bashing, I usually just back off and leave people to their own idiocy.

Anyway, I fucking hate those bleeding heart liberals! Kerry sucks, and he can never decide on anything!

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Actually, Alzheimers might explain Makk's train of thought, or lack thereof.

Dude, that's a pretty mean comparison for the people suffering from alzheimer's.

That is all.

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Spankling June 6, 2004 8:00 PM	quote: Makk and Spankling are at each other's throats constantly. Nay. I'm just playing tag with his goat. I don't take these boards and comments seriously enough to involve throats. It's all good, clean cookies-and-milk fun, DX.
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DragonXero June 6, 2004 8:31 PM	Dunno, seems pretty heated to me sometimes.
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kaufman
June 6, 2004 8:35 PM

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As compassionate as liberals claim to be they always seem the ones rejoicing the most when someone dies. That doesn't make me angry, but maybe you need some quiet reflection time Spankling.

I ain't rejoicing, I'm totally apathetic. Why not? He's been brain-dead a couple decades anyway, and hasn't done any damage to our country in at least a decade, unless you count causing the embarassing chafing when the Bob Barrs of this world furiously masturbate every time they see his name or image.

The best we can do is almost forget him and only remember what he and his thugs did to this country -- the ruining of the economy, the incarceration of millions, the incubation of the Taliban and Osama, the crimes of Meese and Watt and North, et al...

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MikeyG
June 7, 2004 12:06 PM

Contras and Civ Rights and Libya, OH MY!

Reagan's dead. He personally hasn't been fucking up the country lately, it's just been his legacy doing it.

In other words, I'm completely apathetic. I resisted the urge to be happy about it, because I do love to watch evil people get theirs, but my Nona has Alzheimer's, and it sucks.

Fortunately though, my Nona does not have something like Reaganomics for Alzheimer's to wipe away.

RIP Ronnie, you evil bastard.

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boorite
June 8, 2004 6:24 AM

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Reagan's dead. He personally hasn't been fucking up the country lately, it's just been his legacy doing it.

Those who consider him some kind of icon are still doing damage. I find them obnoxious. While he was still very much alive, they had Washington DC National Airport renamed in his honor, and threatened to withdraw Metrorail's funding if they didn't spend the money to change all their signs and maps to say Reagan National Airport. That's the kind of brainless zeal that begs for iconoclasm. Thus my unfavorable review of the man's political life.

As for his suffering, I don't look at it as "getting his." Nobody deserves Alzheimer's Disease. And that's his personal and family business, anyway. I'm more concerned about his public life, and the amnesia regarding same that has overcome the journalism establishment. That is a public matter.

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MikeyG
June 8, 2004 9:34 AM

No, I don't look at it as 'getting his' either. That was my point if I didn't make it clear enough. By 'getting his' it would have been nice to see his lies publicly and popularly exposed and him dethroned and humiliated. I very rarely wish any bodily disease on anyone, and if I was to do that, it wouldn't be Alzheimer's.

Now, in a harsher and less P.C. way of thinking about stuff, I'd like to say that Alzheimer's may partially have been a blessing for Ronnie. If his conscience was working properly, the Alzheimer's may have allowed him to forget some of the more heinous acts of his political career.

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boorite
June 8, 2004 2:07 PM

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No, I don't look at it as 'getting his' either. That was my point if I didn't make it clear enough.

You did. I was agreeing.

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Now, in a harsher and less P.C. way of thinking about stuff, I'd like to say that Alzheimer's may partially have been a blessing for Ronnie. If his conscience was working properly, the Alzheimer's may have allowed him to forget some of the more heinous acts of his political career.

Morbidly humorous thoughts are bound to occur to us. When we all found out he had Alzheimer's, I couldn't help thinking of his famous "I don't recall" testimony. Hell, maybe by that time, he really didn't recall. But back in May of 1987, if memory serves, he told reporters that resupply of the Contras had been his idea and not a violation of the Boland amendment to the War Powers Act. Two days later, he said he'd never heard about resupply of the Contras. I think his memory lapses back then were calculated. Thus there's some irony in his contracting Alzheimer's. Can't help seeing it.

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possums June 8, 2004 2:36 PM	Remember when he forgot where Libya was on the map? Ahh... good times. my friends and I are holding a party. not to commemorate his death, but his life.
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