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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 6:24 AM

[comic deleted at DragonXero's request]

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DexX
September 11, 2001 6:53 AM

I'm all for tasteless jokes, but fuck...

That second plane was a highjacked 767...

Fuck the Pentagon, but 40,000 civilians work in the WTC, and there may have been 200 or so in that second plane.

New York, Washington... if you are in LA, and in a major public building, get the fuck out RIGHT NOW.

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 7:00 AM

I have no taste.
I also posted this before shit REALLY started to get scary.
I'm actually kinda getting freaked as I type this... the Pentagon just go crashed into, and from what I've heard, a mall got blown up too...
Sears tower got evacuated already
All air traffic is down.
Wow.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 7:12 AM

If your TV is off, go turn it on now.

For those who haven't heard, two planes have crashed into the World Trade Centre in New York City, the first into the northern tower at 8:48am local time, and the second into the southern tower about half an hour later. A little while ago, the whole southern tower collapsed, looking just like a demolition crew had levelled it. The Pentagon is also well ablaze, though nobody seems to know what happened. The rumour is that a helicopter crashed into it. Also, The Mall in Washington is reported to be on fire. One of the two planes that crashed into the WTC was a highjacked passenger liner, American Airlines flight 11, which took off from Boston, bound for LA.

I have heard that the Liberation Front of Palestine has claimed responsibility, but that was over ICQ, not on the news. I hate to say it, but we might be looking at the opening hours of world war three...

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 7:26 AM

Yo, DexX, the PLO claims no responsibility for it.

*looks at Canada* :|
Sorry for the comic...

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DexX
September 11, 2001 7:34 AM

No, it's some bunch calling themselves the DLFP, I think - Democratic Liberation Front of Palestine, but I have also heard that the US govt has said, "Yeah right" and are looking at other possibilities...

Latest news - both towers of the WTC have now collapsed, and there was a report of an explosion at the Capitol building, but no apparent fire or smoke. There was also something about the White House being evacuated after a "credible terrorist attack". Fuck fuck fuck... what a mess...

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DexX
September 11, 2001 7:47 AM

Does anyone know where LadyJ lives/works in NY???

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evil_d
September 11, 2001 7:54 AM

quote:
Does anyone know where LadyJ lives/works in NY???
I thought she was out in Nebraska or something now.

Here are some links:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/evac.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/articles/trade091101.htm

I work for a contracting company outside of DC. I'm starting to get some interesting e-mail.

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 7:55 AM

Okay, yo, let's all be optimistic here. Maybe it'll just be a circus like when Kazinski bombed... Hrm...

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 8:27 AM

And, erm, any way I could get that strip deleted? I feel bad about it now.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 8:32 AM

Email Brad and be _VERY_ polite about it.

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 8:35 AM

There are probably thousands of people dead. This is sick.

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Spankling
September 11, 2001 8:43 AM

I know you wouldn't have posted that comic in retrospect. The minute I heard of the Oklahoma City bombing I thought the person was kidding so I joined in and said at least my tax return got blown up or some such regretable thing. I didn't realise real lives were lost. These things make us feel bad, but we did not bomb anyone and we did not mean to mock a real tragidy. A quick wit can be a problem. We know all mean well.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 8:46 AM

Do the maths:

40,000 work in the WTC.

20,000 per tower

110 floors

First plane hit the 80th-ish floor, and we can assume everyone above that is dead.

That's about 4,000 - 5,000.

Second plane hit the 60th-ish floor, and we can assume every above that is dead.

That's another 8,000 - 10,000.

25,000 work in the Pentagon.

One whole wedge is ablaze, so that's a potential 5,000 dead.

156 passengers and crew are confirmed dead on board two flights.

If we're lucky, it's still under 20,000 dead.

TWENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE.

THAT IS FUCKING INSANE!

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 8:52 AM

quote:
There are probably thousands of people dead. This is sick.

That wasn't meant as a review of DX's comic. I was just expressing my shock at this morning's events. I can't believe that both towers of the World Center are just gone. The fact a person can believe in a god who would support such actions and then take these actions scares me.

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kaufman
September 11, 2001 8:57 AM

I went home. I'm safe. Will probably give blood this afternoon.

Sigh!

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JrnymnNate
September 11, 2001 9:00 AM

Does anyone have AIM or something that is faster than this forum?
My god this is a bad day.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 9:05 AM

Shit, I only gave blood a month ago, so I'm no help...

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evil_d
September 11, 2001 9:05 AM

So far, what I've read suggests that there may have been some injuries in the Pentagon, but no injuries or fatalities anywhere else in DC. New York, of course, didn't get off so easy.

I'm with wirthling on that WTC thing. When they say "collapsed", that means the whole thing...? That's difficult to comprehend. I wonder if they'll rebuild them.

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boorite
September 11, 2001 9:09 AM

I'm chiming in from DC to say I'm ok.

AIM screen name: umbcref

DragonXero, I know you didn't mean it.

Chin up, everyone.

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boorite
September 11, 2001 9:10 AM

Confirmed: Both towers collapsed. Also part of the Pentagon. That part was recently renovated and largely unoccupied, AFAIK.

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andydougan
September 11, 2001 9:14 AM

quote:
TWENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE.

THAT IS FUCKING INSANE!



Hopefully less. I would presume the lower floors of the Towers were evacuated before they went down.

Manhattan looks like it's on fire. Why are they not letting people off the island? It looks to me like you'd catch TB just being anywhere in the vicinity.

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Spankling
September 11, 2001 9:19 AM

The few Internet articles I read say a lot of pople were just getting to work, but then they would have interviews with the people already in the towers would they.

I imagine it will take 1/2 the day to "evacuate" the island. Imagine rush hour X 10.

Thinking down the road, I believe this shows how useless Bush's defense shield would be against today's enemies.

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andydougan
September 11, 2001 9:23 AM

quote:
Thinking down the road, I believe this shows how useless Bush's defense shield would be against today's enemies.

Indeed. I would think Al Gore is probably quite grateful to ol' Jeb now.

Anyone see the Palestinians in Jerusalem on TV? Little kids dancing around and cheering with delight. If I was them, I would not be delighted about the future of their country now.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 9:24 AM

Latest news: Seems to be a gas leak amongst the dust and debris of the fallen towers.

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Drexle
September 11, 2001 9:35 AM

Boy... For someone who goes to bed at 5 in the morning, I'm awfuly awake right now. I got a call about what was going on, and got to see the coverage starting with the live feed of the 1st collapse.

Man, it's things like these that build my ever-growing distaste for humanity.

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evil_d
September 11, 2001 9:38 AM

quote:
Thinking down the road, I believe this shows how useless Bush's defense shield would be against today's enemies.
I'm surprised that terrorists are still using such conventional methods of attack. Internet-based attacks are in our future.

As for Bush, this may be just what he needs to get the nation behind him at last. War in the middle east worked for Dad....

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Drexle
September 11, 2001 9:44 AM

quote:
Anyone see the Palestinians in Jerusalem on TV? Little kids dancing around and cheering with delight. If I was them, I would not be delighted about the future of their country now.

Most likely, their parents haven't told them that they're in serious danger of being blown off the face of the earth now.

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 9:52 AM

Nope, they told them "Look, someone blew up those capitalist pigs!"
Anyone consider this may be an internal problem? People fighting from within the system to create a new era? Go watch Fight Club, you'll see what I mean.
I have AIM and ICQ. DragonXero666 and 14037276
Normally I'm a callous, heartless bastard when it comes to tragedies, but this. This is just fucking insane. It was clear that children and innocents would be in tha building, unlike the Oklahoma state building.
Again, we shouldn't all freak out to this, it's not confirmed that any particular group did this. So for now, let's no point fingers.

I do think immigration has been FAR too lax these days.
But that's another issue.

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Drexle
September 11, 2001 9:58 AM

quote:
Nope, they told them "Look, someone blew up those capitalist pigs!"
Anyone consider this may be an internal problem? People fighting from within the system to create a new era? Go watch Fight Club, you'll see what I mean.
I have AIM and ICQ. DragonXero666 and 14037276
Normally I'm a callous, heartless bastard when it comes to tragedies, but this. This is just fucking insane. It was clear that children and innocents would be in tha building, unlike the Oklahoma state building.
Again, we shouldn't all freak out to this, it's not confirmed that any particular group did this. So for now, let's no point fingers.

I do think immigration has been FAR too lax these days.
But that's another issue.



I've seen Fight Club, and I know very well that it could be internal. Hell, that was actually one of my first thoughts. It seems like there would have been more of a chance to catch something like this internally before it came to fruition, though.

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 9:59 AM

I just saw a Republican Congressman on CNN claim that this shows that [paraphrasing] "our national priorities are not education and healthcare...this is a failure of our national defense blah blah blah..." Exactly what could the military have done to prevent this?! What a goddamn motherfucking opportunist ghoul...

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 10:03 AM

quote:
quote:
Nope, they told them "Look, someone blew up those capitalist pigs!"
Anyone consider this may be an internal problem? People fighting from within the system to create a new era? Go watch Fight Club, you'll see what I mean.
I have AIM and ICQ. DragonXero666 and 14037276
Normally I'm a callous, heartless bastard when it comes to tragedies, but this. This is just fucking insane. It was clear that children and innocents would be in tha building, unlike the Oklahoma state building.
Again, we shouldn't all freak out to this, it's not confirmed that any particular group did this. So for now, let's no point fingers.

I do think immigration has been FAR too lax these days.
But that's another issue.



I've seen Fight Club, and I know very well that it could be internal. Hell, that was actually one of my first thoughts. It seems like there would have been more of a chance to catch something like this internally before it came to fruition, though.

Newsflash: "Fight Club" was a movie. The targets of these attacks were international symbols of the US. Maybe if just capitalist symbols or just government symbols were attacked that it might be an inside job. I would be surprised if it turns out to be someone other than islamic terrorists.

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Drexle
September 11, 2001 10:03 AM

quote:
I just saw a Republican Congressman on CNN claim that this shows that [paraphrasing] "our national priorities are not education and healthcare...this is a failure of our national defense blah blah blah..." Exactly what could the military have done to prevent this?! What a goddamn motherfucking opportunist ghoul...

Not a damn thing, that's what. Unless they want to have a half dozen armed marines on every single commuter flight, preceeded by a Tobor-esque cavity search, there's not really much of a way to stop it.

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Brad
September 11, 2001 10:05 AM

quote:
I just saw a Republican Congressman on CNN claim that this shows that [paraphrasing] "our national priorities are not education and healthcare...this is a failure of our national defense blah blah blah..." Exactly what could the military have done to prevent this?! What a goddamn motherfucking opportunist ghoul...
I saw that too and it was disgusting. I wanted to fly a plane into his house. Horrible.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 10:06 AM

Yeah, my first thought was that it was internal. Oklahome was the work of a local boy, never forget that. I know it must be tempting for you guys to say, "No, not an American, an American wouldn't do this..." but there is a precedent. It really could be a US militia attack. Scary fucking shit.

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 10:07 AM

quote:
I do think immigration has been FAR too lax these days. But that's another issue.

You're damn skippy that's another issue. The people who did this could have been here on tourist visas for all we know. They could have even been American citizens with strong religious beliefs.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 10:10 AM

quote:
quote:
I just saw a Republican Congressman on CNN claim that this shows that [paraphrasing] "our national priorities are not education and healthcare...this is a failure of our national defense blah blah blah..." Exactly what could the military have done to prevent this?! What a goddamn motherfucking opportunist ghoul...
I saw that too and it was disgusting. I wanted to fly a plane into his house. Horrible.
The worst thing about that is that he probably honestly believes his own words to be true.

Post #14764link

Drexle
September 11, 2001 10:10 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Nope, they told them "Look, someone blew up those capitalist pigs!"
Anyone consider this may be an internal problem? People fighting from within the system to create a new era? Go watch Fight Club, you'll see what I mean.
I have AIM and ICQ. DragonXero666 and 14037276
Normally I'm a callous, heartless bastard when it comes to tragedies, but this. This is just fucking insane. It was clear that children and innocents would be in tha building, unlike the Oklahoma state building.
Again, we shouldn't all freak out to this, it's not confirmed that any particular group did this. So for now, let's no point fingers.

I do think immigration has been FAR too lax these days.
But that's another issue.



I've seen Fight Club, and I know very well that it could be internal. Hell, that was actually one of my first thoughts. It seems like there would have been more of a chance to catch something like this internally before it came to fruition, though.

Newsflash: "Fight Club" was a movie. The targets of these attacks were international symbols of the US. Maybe if just capitalist symbols or just government symbols were attacked that it might be an inside job. I would be surprised if it turns out to be someone other than islamic terrorists.

Look a little more carefuly. I said I thought it was doubtful that it was an internal plot.

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wirthling
September 11, 2001 10:17 AM

quote:
Look a little more carefuly. I said I thought it was doubtful that it was an internal plot.

I didn't feel like taking the time to snip relevant quotes from the previous message. Sorry.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 10:19 AM

quote:
Newsflash: "Fight Club" was a movie. The targets of these attacks were international symbols of the US. Maybe if just capitalist symbols or just government symbols were attacked that it might be an inside job. I would be surprised if it turns out to be someone other than islamic terrorists.
Question: if you take away capitalist symbols (buldings owned by rich companies) and government symbols (bulldings owned by the government) what else is left? So far we have seen the World Trade Centre, probably _the_ symbol of American wealth, and the Pentagon, definitely THE symbol of the US military.

Money and military... are you sure this can't be an internal atack?

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 10:23 AM

I strongly agree bro. I am almost certain deep down that this was another McVeigh like attack. Perhaps without even his attachments. American miltia as DexX has speculated. The militias have been quiet for a LONG time, and are deep-rooted.

Also, the buildings were SURELY symbols of capitalism and democacy. There are thousands of outspoken anti-democratic and anti-capitialistic groups in america. There's a radio show about socialism on my local station. Same one we broadcast our metal show from. We've been considering getting that guy in trouble during his show...

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andydougan
September 11, 2001 10:24 AM

quote:
You're damn skippy that's another issue. The people who did this could have been here on tourist visas for all we know. They could have even been American citizens with strong religious beliefs.

It's been suggested that extreme anti-government American right-wingers may have been responsible for the disaster, a la Oklahoma. If only the Pentagon had been attacked, this would be a possibility: but why would an anti-federalist extremist target the WTC, the international symbol of free market capitalism? Islamic fundamentalists, Palestinian or otherwise, would be my first choice of culprit.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 10:28 AM

I hope the US military doesn't go off half-cocked...

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Drexle
September 11, 2001 10:30 AM

quote:
quote:
You're damn skippy that's another issue. The people who did this could have been here on tourist visas for all we know. They could have even been American citizens with strong religious beliefs.

It's been suggested that extreme anti-government American right-wingers may have been responsible for the disaster, a la Oklahoma. If only the Pentagon had been attacked, this would be a possibility: but why would an anti-federalist extremist target the WTC, the international symbol of free market capitalism? Islamic fundamentalists, Palestinian or otherwise, would be my first choice of culprit.

Because quite simply, there are plenty of people here in the USA who are probably creaming their pants that something like this happened. Some militias in this country want to see a violent downfall of not only the federal government, but capitalism as well. Like I said, looking at how it was done, I lean logically towards an outside source for the attack, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some US militia had something to do with it.

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boorite
September 11, 2001 10:33 AM

This is way out of the Timothy McVeigh league. Unless I'm missing something, the highjackers themselves had to fly the planes into the targets. Ever try to hit a skyscraper with a jumbo jet? I also doubt seriously that the highjackers could have forced an airline pilot to do such a thing. They'd take a bullet or dump the plane before deliberately crashing into the WTC or the Pentagon. So I think this thing was organized with the cooperation of some state.

Agreed that military spending has nothing to do with it. Too ludicrous.

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JrnymnNate
September 11, 2001 10:36 AM

quote:
Ever try to hit a skyscraper with a jumbo jet?

Only in Microsoft Flight Sim :-]

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DragonXero
September 11, 2001 10:37 AM

It doesn't take an assload of trouble to maneuver a plane toward a building in New York. Also note how little damage was done to the Pentagon. The traning required for this shit can be learned in the Air Force.
It just leads me more to think it was a militia.

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DexX
September 11, 2001 10:38 AM

Are the conspiracy-mongers actually suggesting the US military has organised this to get a bigger budget?

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boorite
September 11, 2001 10:38 AM

quote:
Some militias in this country want to see a violent downfall of not only the federal government, but capitalism as well.

That would be leftists. If there's such a thing as an American leftist who could put together something like this, I have yet to see 'em. I mean, the Progressive Student Network?

I agree with you-- it's not likely a domestic act.

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andydougan
September 11, 2001 10:51 AM

quote:
This is way out of the Timothy McVeigh league. Unless I'm missing something, the highjackers themselves had to fly the planes into the targets. Ever try to hit a skyscraper with a jumbo jet? I also doubt seriously that the highjackers could have forced an airline pilot to do such a thing. They'd take a bullet or dump the plane before deliberately crashing into the WTC or the Pentagon. So I think this thing was organized with the cooperation of some state.

As I understand it, a jumbo jet requires three trained pilots to fly. The hijackers would have to have been equipped with quite a degree of knowledge of aviation. It's highly unlikely that a passel of terrorists of McVeigh's calibre would have access to such resources, which does point the finger at nations, or very advanced terrorist groups.

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