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Bazilla
December 14, 2001 11:26 AM

just draw a pair of eyes? It will go great with the black background and used for cartoony effect, and I think it's good idea, will be used lots, and then jokes will come.

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pikachu
December 14, 2001 11:32 AM

If you are responding to something someone else said, please click 'reply to post' on the bottom of the page where you see the comment. Do not start a new Post.

Thank you.

Oh, and.. PIKA PIKA

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Bazilla
December 14, 2001 11:37 AM

I didn't know I was replying to anything was I? It may be loosely linked to the forum user thing by DexX but it's different!

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DexX
December 16, 2001 12:50 AM

One of these days someone will go ahead with the plan of making eyes to match a pile of current characters. It was suggested ages ago, but nobody has ever gotten around to it. Yellow Tobor eyes, big white When I Grow Up eyes, etc...

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 2:22 AM

quote:
One of these days someone will go ahead with the plan of making eyes to match a pile of current characters. It was suggested ages ago, but nobody has ever gotten around to it. Yellow Tobor eyes, big white When I Grow Up eyes, etc...

I'm the one who suggested it.

Because I am brilliant.

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Bazilla
December 16, 2001 2:47 AM

quote:
I'm the one who suggested it.

Because I am brilliant.



Must be one of those "great minds think alike" thing

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JrnymnNate
December 16, 2001 11:32 AM

::puts on sunglasses::

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 11:56 AM

Bazilla, you make far too many new threads for no real reason,

stop it

also, I think the black background works better without any eyes, it gives you more room for creativity.

I've always hated the fact that cartoon characters had glowing eyes.

but then that's my opinion.

to recap:

Bazilla - sucks
Glowing eyes - suck

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 2:26 PM

Kajun, stop think about youself and no one else. Obviosly someone could use the idea, or they wouldn't have posted it. Now I can be freindly, or I can be one big bitch about how you shouldn't be an asshole.

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 2:38 PM

Now, now. Kajun's entitled to his opinion, even if it's wrong. :)

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 2:48 PM

I suppose so.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 3:04 PM

how can MY opinion be wrong?

That's insane, if my opinion was wrong, then it wouldn't be my opinion, what you mean is, you don't agree with my opinion, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

You see LadyJ, you have to stop thinking that anyone who doesn't agree with you is against you.

Now, I think glowing eyes is a stupid idea, but I'm not calling YOU stupid as such, I just don't agree with your idea.

you see what I mean?

maybe, if you just chilled out, and thought for a minute before typing, you'd be able to be a Practitioner of Love and stuff.

In my experience, the kind of girls/women who like to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how proud they are that they are bitches, are generally NOT bitches in the true sense of the word (being that they moan and whine about people behind their backs) but they are in fact obnoxious, and generally quite narcisistic and paranoid.

but then, that's just MY opinion.

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 3:09 PM

Lady J thinks her opinion is right because most of the time, it is. At least, thats what I think. If I'm wrong, that you can screw it cause I don't give a damn.

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Spankling
December 16, 2001 3:19 PM

quote:
Lady J thinks her opinion is right because most of the time, it is. At least, thats what I think. If I'm wrong, that you can screw it cause I don't give a damn.
Hey Kitty, get your nose out of Lady J's butt and let me have a turn.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 3:21 PM

maybe you should read my post Kitty_Kat, unless your agreeing with me?

which I'm almost positive your not.

LadyJ thinks her opinion is right because it is, to her. Just like MY opinion is right to me and....well, the less said about your opinion the better.

we may not all agree, but guess what, that's life!

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 3:23 PM

What I meant was that her opinion is usually the one most people agree with.

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Spankling
December 16, 2001 3:27 PM

Would you like a buttsnorkle?

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 3:32 PM

Alright spankling, it's your turn.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 4:00 PM

this post, is only to foil Kitty_Kat's plans of forum-domination!

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 4:01 PM

I'm not trying to dominate anything.

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 4:03 PM

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You see LadyJ, you have to stop thinking that anyone who doesn't agree with you is against you.



And you should probably learn when a smiley signifies that someone's poking fun at you in a gentle way that is intended to make you feel like one of the gang.

I didn't consider you an outsider until you posted that ridiculous crap just now. Had I said that in response to gabe, ObiJo, DexX, boorite, Jael, attitudechicka, lara7, Spankling, or anyone else who is intelligent and confident and comfortable with him or herself, they would have laughed and possibly said something witty in response. You chose to interpret it as an assault, and to be an ass.

Guess which one of us shot himself in the foot.

I'm only bitchy to people who beg for it.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 4:06 PM

*yawn*

the expected response

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Kitty_Kat
December 16, 2001 4:07 PM

have I been begging for it. I don't mean to if I am.

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 4:12 PM

Kajun, if that was the expected response, then why did you post your whine-spunk? The only excuse I could come up with is that you had no inkling that it was intended in a light-hearted way. If you knew that, then there's even less excuse for your spaz-attack, and more evidence of your tardacity.

Kitty: Yes, actually. You are begging for it. Luckily for you, bashing you is passe.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 4:19 PM

LadyJ

to be honest, my post wasn't meant to be quite as harsh as you took it, guess it works both ways huh?

I can't say I've really got much of a problem with you at the moment, and I'm willing to listen to you rant on and about whatever you want, but I can't be bothered posting it, let's face it, forum arguments are generally about appealing to other readers than getting your own point across.

I am available:

msn: kajunfirefly@hotmail.com
AIM: TheKajunFirefly

and, to a lesser extent

YahooIM: KajunFirefly (although I hate using it)

so feel free to load up a window and we'll chat, otherwise, lets just shut up shall we?

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 5:26 PM

I have to be up for work tomorrow morning, so I can't stay online for much longer, and it doesn't look like I'm going to get any kind of chat response, so I'll post my "argument" here I guess.

so, here's what I assume you want from me:

LadyJ, reading over your last 2 posts there are some interesting psychological notes I can make. Rather than get your point across to me, you intend to get other people to agree with you. In the first post you use the word "outsider" then namecheck all your regular friends, in a subconcious attempt to rally them against me, make a subtle hint that I "don't belong" and then, in your second post you use words like "spazz-attack", "whine-spunk" and "tardacity", which is just name-calling as opposed to a clever debate.

My defense/offense is this, granted, your post was lighthearted, and I knew that, the smiley explained it all, but I suppose, deep down, I was just wanting an argument with you.

I had seen you shoot down every single thing JrnymnNate had posted and felt quite angry that you wouldn't let it lie, you HAD to pick an argument with him. Not that I'm defending the guy, I mean, reading some of his posts I'd agree with you, but I guess I just wanted to get my 2-cents worth in but never had a valid excuse to get involved.

so, the first time you make any kind of reference to me I guess I just pounced on it to get my feelings across.

I DO think that you are quite paranoid, it's as if you feel you had to instantly shoot 'Nate down as soon as he posted anything just to make sure that no-one would end up agreeing with him on anything, EVER!

so there we go, I have started an argument, huzzah, my points have been put across, I hope you read them properly and respond without name-calling or any kind of forum-bravado.

but for the record, I'm not intending to make any long-term enemies here.

although I'd still prefer to discuss this on a one-to-one manner than waste time and web-space trying to score points off each other.

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DexX
December 16, 2001 6:30 PM

Hey, Kajun, LadyJ can be very harsh at times. When she first appeared on these forums, I didn't like her much - I found her to be far too abrasive for me. Since then she has mellowed, or I have relaxed, or a combination of both, and we are now friends. This doesn't mean I always agree with her, though.

In this case, Kajun, I think you have gone off without justification. Up until your rant, everything LadyJ posted in this thread was lighthearted and not intended to be taken seriously. The same cannot be said of your rant. There was nothing light-hearted about it - you were aiming to tear strips off LadyJ and put her back in her place.

Kitty_Kat, on the other hand, is a human joke, the bashing of whom is rather unnecessary, as LadyJ pointed out.

I am not sure, but I get the feeling that rant was triggered by you reading something by KK and thinking it was from LJ. *shrug* I really don't know. Up until now, your pointing out of asses has always seemed justifiable to me, but I think you got it wrong this time.

No hard feelings, I hope...

We have enough trouble with trolls on this forum. The last thing we need now is a feud between well-liked regulars.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 6:44 PM

I agree DexX, in the "real" world, I am VERY judgemental, I would say it's my biggest personality default. I form opinions of people straight away and sometimes I'm wrong, and I stand happily corrected when I usually become good friends with them.

The difference here is, that unlike the "real" world, where I would have just shut my mouth and got to know LadyJ, I just typed what I happened to be thinking at the time, I regret it now, it's a good lesson in when to just shut up and keep opinions to yourself.

Sure, I find her quite harsh to take, but I still find her funny and consider her to be intelligent, the thread was taken the wrong way (on my behalf) and my post was more aggresive than I intended, but I still stand by my opinions, people may not agree with them, but hey, if we all agreed, then there wouldn't be a "discussions" forum, it'd just be someone posting

"Linkin Park rule!" and 300 replies of "yeah"

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 7:01 PM

1. You claim that you want a discussion free of name-calling and bravado, and yet you contend that I am paranoid. That counts as name-calling.

2. You say you want to make this a private discussion, and yet you post 2 back-to-back, half-page-long posts in the hopes that you can have the last word publicly, or at least bait me into responding publicly so you can throw in another barb about how I "respond to everything that someone says".

3. You took issue with my behavior, and yet admit you lay in wait for the first time I'd ever say anything to you, so that you could turn it into a fight. Who's the one with the issues, here?

For those who care, in the drafting of this response, it occurred to me the best metaphor for how I interact with people in online communities.

I'm in a large public place, like a club, or a bar, or a lobby of a hotel, or a park, or a street fair, or the atrium of the World Financial Center before it got demolished. Perhaps I'm there to meet friends. Perhaps I'm there to window-shop. Perhaps I'm there to watch the sidewalk artists paint. I talk with my friends, I people-watch, I drink my beverage, I relax. I see someone behaving like an idiot. I make the decision that I do not want to know this person. Then this person behaves like an idiot in the midst of my friends, some of whom are visibly distressed by his presence, and having less fun for it.

I am the type of person who, when the person has been an asshole and made my friends uncomfortable long enough, tells the person that they really should go away now. Most of my friends leave that type of thing to me because they know I am not afraid of confrontation, and am effective at intimidating people like that into leaving us alone. Most of my friends expect that type of thing from me and rely on me to do that when they're with me and situations like that occur. Some of my friends stand shoulder to shoulder with me when we have a confrontation like that, and then we have something to talk about later in the night, marveling at what a dip that guy was.

Do I give those schmucks my home phone number or email address so we can work it out? No. Do I go off in private and have a discussion with them? No. They are sub-people to me. They are annoyances that are to be dealt with, the activity of dealing with them reminisced about with humor, and then they are otherwise forgotten.

So, look at it from my perspective if you care to, Kajun. Right now, you're not one of those people because I have not seen other people's annoyance at your presence. However, by the same token, I'm not going to invite you into private discussion with me.

I'm also not going to respond any more to your baiting. If you start to make other people uncomfortable, maybe I'll rethink that. In the meanwhile, you're worth no more of my energy.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 7:33 PM

Ok, I agree

by the same token, it seems like when I read these forums, all I'm reading are long rants from you towards others, which is fair enough, but that's all I know you from.

I chatted to DragonXero (at length) privately before even posting in the forums.

I chat to Skagg, Crabby and.....JrnymnNate (on occasion)

I know Andy in real life, have an unhealthy obsession with Spankling and I've spoken with DexX a number of times.

The only other time I've ever really conversed with you was when I posted:

"LadyJ, I love you"

which, is hardly demeaning.

at that point I respected your attitude towards people who acted like asses, "sub-people" if you will, it was the same opinion I had. But as I read more of your posts, I noticed you seemed to just CONSTANTLY be ripping someone down for something or another, and so I formed an opinion of you, granted, it may be a wrong one, but it's still an opinion.

I watched those poor sub-humans get ripped by you and I thought to myself "man, if I was I'd say ".

and when I read this post, I took it that, since you never seem to say anything nice about anyone, you were insulting me.

and I posted a (slightly over the top) response

and you replied

So I decided, that to get to know you, it would be best to chat with you, outside of these forums. I'm not posting here to make friends or enemies, I think I've posted enough for everyone to have an opinion of me and I would like to think that if they had a problem, they'd post it, and we could argue it out.

I had a problem, I posted it, we're arguing it out.

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ladyjdotnet
December 16, 2001 8:03 PM

Whenever DexX and I are online at the same time, we have an ICQ window open to one another. We chat a lot. I have chatted many times with gabe. I have had a long email conversation with Spankling. I have chatted on a few occasions with Brad. While we were trying to get the irc channel registered, I chatted with lots of people. The people who I continue to chat with are the ones I connect with and enjoy talking to. I don't chat privately with people seeking to antagonize me, or people who have admitted that they were waiting for an opportunity to do so.

To me, an argument with someone online is only worth continuing if it is in public, because then it can be an example to others. For instance, when I first joined rec.arts.bodyart, I noticed the regulars ripping on newbies who asked dumb questions. I examined the question I had been prepared to ask, realized it qualified as a dumb question, and did my own research. Then I made my entrance at another time with a much less lame question presented in a way that observation had told me would be acceptable, and I was greeted as a member of the community. For another instance, we all gave crabby a very hard time for being an ass (I think this may have been before your time) and he surprised us all and did a 180 and began behaving like a contributor rather than a troll.

You don't notice my other posts because you're not looking for them. There's plenty in here from me that is not a flame or a fight or something similar, but it escapes notice because it blends.

Unfortunately, what with the massive influx of morons of late, I am either going to be posting more flames, or I'm going to consider the place unsalvageable and bug out. I haven't decided which, yet.

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KajunFirefly
December 16, 2001 8:15 PM

I wasn't really wanting to chat to have an argument, I thought, if we chatted, then I'd get to know you. It's really just a clash of personalities, I'm someone who can't sit idly by and keep my mouth shut when I have something to say and neither are you.

I sat in silence and read the forums before making my first post, which is why I escaped with absolutely no abuse whatsoever, I already had like 100 comics that I knew were good so I didn't crave attention. Believe me, I studied Crabby's "WHAT'S IT TAKE TO GET TO #1" thread, it's the definitive "what not to do" guide for newbies.

There are strippers (?) that I get on well with in the forums, then there are those that I chat to (DX, Crabby, Skagg) because we very rarely have anything to say to each other on SC. I thought, that since we don't chat on SC, it would be better to chat privately, the invitation is still there.

but it's 4:00am, and I'm working in like, 5 hours. I should've went to bed ages ago but I wanted to see this thing come to some sort of close.

see how much I care??

g'night

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crabby
December 16, 2001 8:22 PM

I've been trying to avoid Ladyj's wrath for sometime now. I often try to avoid her because i find her scary. I often think of using her forum users character but don't want her to think I am promoting her evil ways.
I once thought I would read through all her comics but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I asked myself "Would LadyJ ever read my comics?" Then I figuered no she wouldn't. So I didn't read hers.
So then I thought I'll just try to keep away from her. However, I now realize that LadyJ is the coolest person on this site. Everyone loves her!
LadyJ is a good citizen and a nigh invulnerable member of these forums. If we had a strip creator election I would vote for her to be Treasurer. LadyJ continue to rock and continue to post your witty comments on life, love, and the pursuit of home ownership.

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fuzzyman
December 16, 2001 8:28 PM

Invulnerable or invaluable?

Hmmm, maybe you got that right.

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Kajun_vs_Dougans_Per
December 17, 2001 12:30 AM

stop fighting , mommy and daddy!!!

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fuzzyman
December 17, 2001 4:50 AM

On a positive note...

I have to say that I appreciate the existence of this community. (Yes, yes, I have sent Brad money, and I will send more). I can't think of anything much more fun than a community based on the idea of making each other laugh.

As in any community (flesh or online) there are people I admire, people I like, and people I merely tolerate. You take the bad (sometimes dreadful) with the good (sometimes magnificent).

On the subject of newbies, I sometimes think Brad should add functionality to the new userid creation process, where one is forced to read the faq before they are able to post. Maybe they'd have to check off for each question "Yes, I've read this and I understand." But Brad has a lot more to do than that, I am sure.

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ladyjdotnet
December 17, 2001 6:19 AM

quote:
On the subject of newbies, I sometimes think Brad should add functionality to the new userid creation process, where one is forced to read the faq before they are able to post. Maybe they'd have to check off for each question "Yes, I've read this and I understand." But Brad has a lot more to do than that, I am sure.

In some aspects, that's a great idea. Unfortunately, people will just run down the page checking all the boxes and still join. It would probably end up being a whole lot of work to implement for zero effect.

Also, it's really kind of the responsibility of the community to police itself. Brad does not have the time to enforce the requirement of compliance to social rules. He only drops the hammer when people maliciously abuse his resources. This is the appropriate role of the administrator.

Perhaps, however, we could ask Brad to make only one forum available on the initial forums page called the "Newbie Forum" or some such, and have links to the other forums at the bottom of the page. We could all spend a little time patiently directing newbies to the FAQs and answering questions in these forums, and count on lack of savvy to keep them out of our forums until they're acclimated.

I promise that if this is implemented, I will be helpful in any posts on that forum and not flame people, no matter how much I'll want to. You'll be up to your pits in my sunshine and lollipops, I swear.

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fuzzyman
December 17, 2001 10:10 AM

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In some aspects, that's a great idea. Unfortunately, people will just run down the page checking all the boxes and still join. It would probably end up being a whole lot of work to implement for zero effect.
Yeah, I agree... I just haven't been able to think of anything better. I know what you mean about just checking things off. Every time I install Microsoft software I just go, "Yeah, yeah, I agree, whatever..." and click the box or hit F8, etc.

Bill Gates probably owns my gonads by now.

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