Here's to cannibalism and all the good it could do for the world! Over population? No food? Eat each other!
Cease and desist all talk of Vegetarianism. You're plants are of no use to us. Take in the fresh meat and be saved. Drink from the veins of your salvation. Never regret the power you are about to receive. We are meat. We eat meat. We die meat. We leave the world with meat to eat. Flesh is the secret of life. All electric impulses run thru organic symptoms. Dreams are invalid without meat to fuel their passages. Always remember to eat meat. Eat a friend. Eat your brothers and sisters. Eat Mom and Dad. Eat your friends and enemies. Try new and exciting flavors. Consume all meat. Never regret who you eat. They would have eaten you. Consume them all.

Speaking of overpopulation:

My sister and I were talking yesterday about society's ideal of beauty. I mentioned that Rubenesque women were considered beautiful in their time because people were dying of consumption and all other manner of nastiness, and therefore "healthy" was anyone who didn't look in any way thin and sickly.

My sister went on to say that larger women have also represented the classic mother-figure, women able to bear children, and therefore to satisfy our biologically driven desire to reproduce. She said that this principle is why she cannot understand how more modern thinking tends to find thinner, and actually even boyish figures appealing.

I proposed that this too is a biologically driven thing, a kind of internal shut-off switch. Like those frogs that switch gender and have homosexual relationships when their number has reached the point where their environment can no longer support their growth, I think that humans have biologically come up with ways to slacken our reproductivity. I think that the increase in women starting their families later in their lives, the increase in acceptance of homosexuality, and the fact that less motherly-looking women are the societal ideal of beauty are all clues to this.

This also led to a discussion about how medical science has done all kinds of horrible things to the gene pool by allowing to live the people that natural selection had marked for death (myself included - I should have died of cancer* in my adolescence, if not any number of childhood ailments before then), but that's another discussion.

What do you think, folks? Discuss.

* Mind you, I'm not a Christian Scientist or anything. I certainly will take the medicine that keeps me healthy and able to function. I still have the survival instinct, and I still have a social obligation to support myself as long as I can... but in a theoretical sense, I should probably never even have been created, because medical science has been preventing natural selection from working properly for years.

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It's a pretty morbid thought, but I've always wondered if modern medicine was running against the grain of nature. Cancer, infectious diseases, AIDS... all of these are wiping people out. We're doing our best to combat them, but it's a tough battle. If we sat back and let nature run its course, lots more people would be gone. Through natural selection, though, would we find a way to fight all of those? The cream would rise to the top and all of us that were prone to sickliness would fall by the wayside, leaving a planet of healthy superbeings. And hyenas.

I don't know. It's definately something to ponder.

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I believe that more robust women are still desirable in developing countries, as they are less common there. Also, big busts and wide hips (the two most important aspects in reproduction) are still in fashion everywhere.

Technology does allow a lot more people to live and reproduce when they wouldn't have otherwise. However, I think while technology will prolong the life of physically weaker people, it will also encourage the growth of mentally stronger people.

Creatures often malfunction when they eat large amounts of things they don't normally eat. If you will recall mad cow disease stems from the creatures being forced to eat ground up meat. There is in fact a parallel infirmity that has stricken some cannibal tribes in South America called the "laughing cannibal disease", but I believe has been traced down to a side effect of eating the brains of fallen friends and family. (It is also so delicious, one walks around in a trance constantly calling out for more "brains!") I imagine you would at least be prone to catch a lot of communicable maladies by eating human flesh too. You propose this practice as a cure for over-population though, so I suppose what you are really implying is mass-murder, with the eating of the meat as a side effect. Unless you are thinking corpses add to the total human population count; normally they do not, cabal.

I don't these things are imperatively biological. I think it is a sociological factor in countries like America that no longer need large families to both secure some survive (because the standard of living is so high, kids aren't dropping dead like they would say in colonial times) and they don't need a lot of children to work on a farm like in the dust-bowl days. I think couples also tend to wait until financial security or they are just done having their careers their focus of their lives when they have children. I think some women in fact ignore biological urges to have children, or channel them into their jobs or dogs, if things don't work out for them to have them.

Likewise I don't think an acceptance of homosexuality is biological. I believe there are some theories that instances of homosexuality itself is a side-effect of over-population, and that would make sense. It would be nice if nature could breed acceptance into us (but then could it also not breed hate into us?)

As for the reference to Rubenesque women I think they only time human females are "off-model" so to speak is a function of society, either from excess leisure time or an abundance of eating. And like extremely wealthy women having their feet bound several generations ago in China, this would have been a sociological, not biological sign. (Also, women being very pale in Victorian days meant they did not spend a lot of time in sunlight working, therefore were higher class). I am not saying what is and what is not attractive, but that whatever signs we look for have a lot less to do with biology these days (does this person have money/ would this mate impress others/ is she going to get coked up one night and shoot me in the face while I am sleeping for no reason with the kids sleeping two rooms over). Humans are one of a few creatures that don't only mate when the intended outcome is children, so we are somewhat unique from the beginning in the natural selection arena.

I think only one person's ideal of beauty matters and that's the person you are with right now.

Taking care of our sick and injured makes us stronger, Gabe.

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Not in my house!

I don't know why, but I do rather prefer slender, graceful, "boyish" figures in women. Big busts and wide hips do it for all sorts of people, but not me. I've often wandered if your logic (which is common) is true in this case; that I prefer non-"fertile"-looking women because I loate reproduction -- not the act, but the result: children. Ick.

I think I'd support pro-cannibalism if it meant I could eat all those annoying fucking children who scream at malls, on plains, in movie theaters... who play on rusty pogo sticks at SEVEN AM ON A SUNDAY RIGHT OUTSIDE MY WINDOW! What those kids need is a spit and a nice hickory fire.

I don't know... I've met a lot of really stupid people and a good deal of them are married -- and a few aren't and have reproduced anyway.

I also know a lot of really smart people who look like Bill Gates or Erkel who couldn't get a date if the fate of the universe depended on it.

And speaking of Bill Gates -- you can think he's evil or whatever, but you have to concede that he's smart -- he never would've been married if he weren't worth more than the economies of most of Europe. So technology might not be geared to producing smart people, but it may be geared towards producing rich people -- especially since they're the ones who can afford all the life-saving technology!

Haha.

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I think you're looking at it bass-ackwards. Our advances in technology and medicine have prevented nature from thinning the herd and strengthening the gene pool on the basis of certain traits, but there's no reason to look at it as a case of humanity vs. nature. Rather our evolutionary advances in intellectual capacity have allowed us to conquer in part or in whole what might have once been fatal flaws. Now the human gene pool selects on the basis of other things, based on the new realities, but that is no less natural than what was happening eons before,

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Fat at that time was also considered a sign of affluence, I think.

Yeah, stone-age "Madonna" figures usually have big hips and big tits. I think it's to do with the artist's message. I think that exaggerating secondary sex characteristics is an unmistakable way to get the idea of "fertility" across.

It's to do with affluence and status, and it's an aesthetic that was created by the fashion industry around the time of Twiggy. The advertisers were very conscious of what they were doing. They glamorized the very skinniest women they could find because 99% of women don't look like that. The ads are supposed to make you envy those women and buy the product. I saw the head of one of the big three NYC modeling agencies on a talk show, and she said this straight out.

The frightening thing is that any industry has the power to remake our idea of beauty to suit its own purposes, at staggering psychological cost to the rest of us.

I doubt it, because reproductive rates aren't really going down in this country since the advent of Twiggy. Also, rates of homosexuality are remarkably consistent across all cultures, no matter their attitudes or circumstances. True, humans and other animals will tend not to reproduce when the prospects for survival are bad. Also (paradoxically), people don't breed as much when economic development happens-- for the middle class, kids are economic burdens. Most people figure that out pretty quickly.

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This also led to a discussion about how medical science has done all kinds of horrible things to the gene pool by allowing to live the people that natural selection had marked for death (myself included - I should have died of cancer* in my adolescence,

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SKRITE!

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....so fat was a sign of affluence once upon a time, which raises the question: Why is skinny a sign of affluence now? I think the answer is that food today is so cheap that even a poor person can get fat, while staying thin requires a gym membership. Just a guess.

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Having a minor in art history means I get to show it off sometimes. And in this case I can tell you the oldest work of art known to mankind is a very small carved statue of a "large" woman with gigantic sagging breasts. One can assume that this was an icon of the ideal female or just a talisman for fertility. Regardless.... Men have always been down with big boot A!

Anyway another advantage of eating the dead is that movies like "Night of the Living Dead, Day of the Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Return of the Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead 2 and Return of the Living Dead 3 could never happen because those zombie suns of bitches would be on our dinner table already prepared to be eaten by US!

The fact of the matter is that if you put half of the population of the world into a ditch and shot them, the remaining half would have much better lives. Deciding that there is no conscienable method to decide which half gets turned into mulch, though, is part of what makes us human. I think I'll have another baloney sandwich and just groove on the hormones and rat bits and fuck knows what else. What does not kill me, makes me able to choose from a wider food group.

Wide girth was certainly a sign of affluence at the turn of the century and at the onset of the industrial revolution when safely processed and refrigerated food was not readily available. Especially in the larger cities that were growing in population every day as the new technology offered employment other than subsistance farming. Now we're up to our hoohoos in regulated, safe, healthy, fattening foods and we don't do a hell of a lot in between meals that could be construed as exercise. It's a greatly exaggerated construct of the feast and famine cycle normally in effect for every species. Distributed agriculture and freon has made us portly. And that's... ok. If it doesn't cause health problems. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder indeed. As for me, the package is never going to be as important as the present that's wrapped in it, although I don't fancy the idea of suffocating under a pair of mammaries the size of a Volvo.

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First of all, thank you all for not disappointing me. This is truly an awesome discussion, and I'm glad you all made the cut to survive long enough to post to this thread. You all rock.

boorite said:

I think there's something to that. I was arriving at a similar observation in my conversation with my sister just as she looked at the clock and realized she'd gabbed too long and needed to get ready for work.

Thank you for that. When I or any other fat woman says it, it smacks of sour grapes. I'm thoroughly disgusted by way that even enlightened women find themselves silently hating their bodies, and the way that even enlightened men find themselves gravitating toward ideals of beauty to which only a minute percentage of the population can lay claim.

When I have a daughter, should I let her have Barbie dolls? Well, fuck. If tell her that she can't have them and explain why, I get the message across that there's something wrong with them, but I rob her of the chance to be a little girl by laying heavy crap on her when all she wants to do is play house with 11 1/2 inch people. If I let her have them, they work their subversive magic on her and she forever feels inferior to this handful of unrealistically proportioned plastic.

A happy medium? My mom tried that. I got my Barbies, and I got age-appropriate conversations about hippie concepts, and continued to grow up feeling ugly. Seen my kid pics? I was an adorable little girl. But I felt ugly.

bunnerrabb said:

Brings to mind the proposed ad slogan from the movie Crazy people: "Boxy, but good." Anyway mine are roughly the size of a geo prizm.

cabal said:

Either that, or it was a gag gift in the humoristic stylings of Fat Chicks in Party Hats. :P

BeNN_MaKK said:

Once upon a time I would have argued that the only person's ideal of beauty that matters is yourself. I guess I still do feel that way in theory, but in practice I think I agree with you now. I am so much more confident when my partner is someone who sees me as beautiful. I wish I had the strength to feel beautiful with conviction regardless of what anyone else thinks, but I'm weak enough to let the world convince me I'm unattractive usually. It's great to be able to have a positive opinion to focus on and let the rest fall away as background noise.

The pitfall of this is that it has tended to make me distrustful of my partners in the past. I know (from experience) that a lot of emotionally (and physically) abusive men tend to prey on large women, because their self-worth is so shaky. These men build them up with flattery, and encourage them to ignore the rest of the world in favor of their influence, gradually manipulating them into a position where the women become completely emotionally dependent on them. At that point, the flattery tapers off, and it's all downhill from there. There's not much the women can do about it, because by the time they realize they're unhappy with their situations, they feel as if it's the best they're ever going to get because their men are so much more understanding than the rest of the world.

It's classic. It's happened to a lot of women I know. It's happened to me. It happened to me despite the fact that I was on my guard for it because it happened to my mom.

I believe in my heart that Paul is not like that, but I swear to you that I still have one eye open for it. Doesn't that suck? I'm very glad that Paul is understanding enough to see why I need to have one eye open for it, and patient enough to gently tell me to knock it the fuck off when I second-guess his sincerity.

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kauf... I just got "SKRITE". Goddamn it.

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It took me a long time to trust enough to love. And I fell in love with a tall woman - up my alley physically. And we share a great life emotionally. We bred and have two sweet - and yes - noisy kids.

I would have to hate myself if I thought that I was going to let her down. Being a ham and a tease is just a piece of my humor. This group brings it out more than most. But as it turns out, sorry girls, Spankling is taken - completely.

Once, at a company picnic years ago a vivacious and nicely rounded redhead who had a bit much to drink was going around asking the guys what physical trait they liked most in women (this with about 7" of cleavage exposed). She asked "Ass, legs or tits?" She insisted on a physical answer so she wore me down. It is not like me to not play along when a woman is being demanding. I said, "Tall. I like height." Oddly enough, I’m tall too. Many tall women tell me it is strange to find a tall guy who likes tall women so much. Usually it’s little guys.

Ramble... blather... must sleep.

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I have dated, wed, and had ongoing relationships with women who cover every area of the physical attributes section of girl stuff. None of them were chosen for their body type. None of them were chosen, period. We just hit it off. Some of those relationships were more sexually scintillating than others, some were very mellow and quiet, some were the usual acrimonious disasters. None of them had to do with how she looked. How a woman looks is part of who a woman is. If you like the woman, the rest just falls into place. If you let yourself go to hell and get skanky, that's another story. If you bathe, keep fit so as you can, and take pride in yourself, it's just the trimmings. So dudes, enjoy the mural and stop looking for the perfect shade of red. You'll live longer and so will she.

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I do not relate. I was created in a laboratory with samples of DNA and am a composite of several notorious personalities. I was not programmed for love.

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I think there's something to that. I was arriving at a similar observation in my conversation with my sister just as she looked at the clock and realized she'd gabbed too long and needed to get ready for work.

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Except there'd be a fuckload of corpses everywhere, you nutty mass killer you. :-P

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I ate your mom last night.

... That would explain why your breath could slay an entire herd of buffalo.

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A footballer got into a lot of trouble a while back for saying he liked to have sex with "ugly birds". Apparently this was sexist. If he had claimed to enjoy sex with "good-looking birds", would that not have been?

This is another example of society trying to stamp out our freedoms! I say if a guy wants to have sexual intercourse with partners outside his species, then let him!

Chant with me now, everyone:
Let's make love, to human, tree, or dove!

Perhaps, to avoid such special ambiguity, I should have spelt it "burds".

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Taking care of our sick and injured makes us stronger, Gabe.

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