I have to be up for work tomorrow morning, so I can't stay online for much longer, and it doesn't look like I'm going to get any kind of chat response, so I'll post my "argument" here I guess.

so, here's what I assume you want from me:

LadyJ, reading over your last 2 posts there are some interesting psychological notes I can make. Rather than get your point across to me, you intend to get other people to agree with you. In the first post you use the word "outsider" then namecheck all your regular friends, in a subconcious attempt to rally them against me, make a subtle hint that I "don't belong" and then, in your second post you use words like "spazz-attack", "whine-spunk" and "tardacity", which is just name-calling as opposed to a clever debate.

My defense/offense is this, granted, your post was lighthearted, and I knew that, the smiley explained it all, but I suppose, deep down, I was just wanting an argument with you.

I had seen you shoot down every single thing JrnymnNate had posted and felt quite angry that you wouldn't let it lie, you HAD to pick an argument with him. Not that I'm defending the guy, I mean, reading some of his posts I'd agree with you, but I guess I just wanted to get my 2-cents worth in but never had a valid excuse to get involved.

so, the first time you make any kind of reference to me I guess I just pounced on it to get my feelings across.

I DO think that you are quite paranoid, it's as if you feel you had to instantly shoot 'Nate down as soon as he posted anything just to make sure that no-one would end up agreeing with him on anything, EVER!

so there we go, I have started an argument, huzzah, my points have been put across, I hope you read them properly and respond without name-calling or any kind of forum-bravado.

but for the record, I'm not intending to make any long-term enemies here.

although I'd still prefer to discuss this on a one-to-one manner than waste time and web-space trying to score points off each other.

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Hey, Kajun, LadyJ can be very harsh at times. When she first appeared on these forums, I didn't like her much - I found her to be far too abrasive for me. Since then she has mellowed, or I have relaxed, or a combination of both, and we are now friends. This doesn't mean I always agree with her, though.

In this case, Kajun, I think you have gone off without justification. Up until your rant, everything LadyJ posted in this thread was lighthearted and not intended to be taken seriously. The same cannot be said of your rant. There was nothing light-hearted about it - you were aiming to tear strips off LadyJ and put her back in her place.

Kitty_Kat, on the other hand, is a human joke, the bashing of whom is rather unnecessary, as LadyJ pointed out.

I am not sure, but I get the feeling that rant was triggered by you reading something by KK and thinking it was from LJ. *shrug* I really don't know. Up until now, your pointing out of asses has always seemed justifiable to me, but I think you got it wrong this time.

No hard feelings, I hope...

We have enough trouble with trolls on this forum. The last thing we need now is a feud between well-liked regulars.

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I agree DexX, in the "real" world, I am VERY judgemental, I would say it's my biggest personality default. I form opinions of people straight away and sometimes I'm wrong, and I stand happily corrected when I usually become good friends with them.

The difference here is, that unlike the "real" world, where I would have just shut my mouth and got to know LadyJ, I just typed what I happened to be thinking at the time, I regret it now, it's a good lesson in when to just shut up and keep opinions to yourself.

Sure, I find her quite harsh to take, but I still find her funny and consider her to be intelligent, the thread was taken the wrong way (on my behalf) and my post was more aggresive than I intended, but I still stand by my opinions, people may not agree with them, but hey, if we all agreed, then there wouldn't be a "discussions" forum, it'd just be someone posting

"Linkin Park rule!" and 300 replies of "yeah"

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1. You claim that you want a discussion free of name-calling and bravado, and yet you contend that I am paranoid. That counts as name-calling.

2. You say you want to make this a private discussion, and yet you post 2 back-to-back, half-page-long posts in the hopes that you can have the last word publicly, or at least bait me into responding publicly so you can throw in another barb about how I "respond to everything that someone says".

3. You took issue with my behavior, and yet admit you lay in wait for the first time I'd ever say anything to you, so that you could turn it into a fight. Who's the one with the issues, here?

For those who care, in the drafting of this response, it occurred to me the best metaphor for how I interact with people in online communities.

I'm in a large public place, like a club, or a bar, or a lobby of a hotel, or a park, or a street fair, or the atrium of the World Financial Center before it got demolished. Perhaps I'm there to meet friends. Perhaps I'm there to window-shop. Perhaps I'm there to watch the sidewalk artists paint. I talk with my friends, I people-watch, I drink my beverage, I relax. I see someone behaving like an idiot. I make the decision that I do not want to know this person. Then this person behaves like an idiot in the midst of my friends, some of whom are visibly distressed by his presence, and having less fun for it.

I am the type of person who, when the person has been an asshole and made my friends uncomfortable long enough, tells the person that they really should go away now. Most of my friends leave that type of thing to me because they know I am not afraid of confrontation, and am effective at intimidating people like that into leaving us alone. Most of my friends expect that type of thing from me and rely on me to do that when they're with me and situations like that occur. Some of my friends stand shoulder to shoulder with me when we have a confrontation like that, and then we have something to talk about later in the night, marveling at what a dip that guy was.

Do I give those schmucks my home phone number or email address so we can work it out? No. Do I go off in private and have a discussion with them? No. They are sub-people to me. They are annoyances that are to be dealt with, the activity of dealing with them reminisced about with humor, and then they are otherwise forgotten.

So, look at it from my perspective if you care to, Kajun. Right now, you're not one of those people because I have not seen other people's annoyance at your presence. However, by the same token, I'm not going to invite you into private discussion with me.

I'm also not going to respond any more to your baiting. If you start to make other people uncomfortable, maybe I'll rethink that. In the meanwhile, you're worth no more of my energy.

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I am a delicate fucking flower. https://beacons.ai/jesskent

Ok, I agree

by the same token, it seems like when I read these forums, all I'm reading are long rants from you towards others, which is fair enough, but that's all I know you from.

I chatted to DragonXero (at length) privately before even posting in the forums.

I chat to Skagg, Crabby and.....JrnymnNate (on occasion)

I know Andy in real life, have an unhealthy obsession with Spankling and I've spoken with DexX a number of times.

The only other time I've ever really conversed with you was when I posted:

"LadyJ, I love you"

which, is hardly demeaning.

at that point I respected your attitude towards people who acted like asses, "sub-people" if you will, it was the same opinion I had. But as I read more of your posts, I noticed you seemed to just CONSTANTLY be ripping someone down for something or another, and so I formed an opinion of you, granted, it may be a wrong one, but it's still an opinion.

I watched those poor sub-humans get ripped by you and I thought to myself "man, if I was I'd say ".

and when I read this post, I took it that, since you never seem to say anything nice about anyone, you were insulting me.

and I posted a (slightly over the top) response

and you replied

So I decided, that to get to know you, it would be best to chat with you, outside of these forums. I'm not posting here to make friends or enemies, I think I've posted enough for everyone to have an opinion of me and I would like to think that if they had a problem, they'd post it, and we could argue it out.

I had a problem, I posted it, we're arguing it out.

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Whenever DexX and I are online at the same time, we have an ICQ window open to one another. We chat a lot. I have chatted many times with gabe. I have had a long email conversation with Spankling. I have chatted on a few occasions with Brad. While we were trying to get the irc channel registered, I chatted with lots of people. The people who I continue to chat with are the ones I connect with and enjoy talking to. I don't chat privately with people seeking to antagonize me, or people who have admitted that they were waiting for an opportunity to do so.

To me, an argument with someone online is only worth continuing if it is in public, because then it can be an example to others. For instance, when I first joined rec.arts.bodyart, I noticed the regulars ripping on newbies who asked dumb questions. I examined the question I had been prepared to ask, realized it qualified as a dumb question, and did my own research. Then I made my entrance at another time with a much less lame question presented in a way that observation had told me would be acceptable, and I was greeted as a member of the community. For another instance, we all gave crabby a very hard time for being an ass (I think this may have been before your time) and he surprised us all and did a 180 and began behaving like a contributor rather than a troll.

You don't notice my other posts because you're not looking for them. There's plenty in here from me that is not a flame or a fight or something similar, but it escapes notice because it blends.

Unfortunately, what with the massive influx of morons of late, I am either going to be posting more flames, or I'm going to consider the place unsalvageable and bug out. I haven't decided which, yet.

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I am a delicate fucking flower. https://beacons.ai/jesskent

I wasn't really wanting to chat to have an argument, I thought, if we chatted, then I'd get to know you. It's really just a clash of personalities, I'm someone who can't sit idly by and keep my mouth shut when I have something to say and neither are you.

I sat in silence and read the forums before making my first post, which is why I escaped with absolutely no abuse whatsoever, I already had like 100 comics that I knew were good so I didn't crave attention. Believe me, I studied Crabby's "WHAT'S IT TAKE TO GET TO #1" thread, it's the definitive "what not to do" guide for newbies.

There are strippers (?) that I get on well with in the forums, then there are those that I chat to (DX, Crabby, Skagg) because we very rarely have anything to say to each other on SC. I thought, that since we don't chat on SC, it would be better to chat privately, the invitation is still there.

but it's 4:00am, and I'm working in like, 5 hours. I should've went to bed ages ago but I wanted to see this thing come to some sort of close.

see how much I care??

g'night

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I've been trying to avoid Ladyj's wrath for sometime now. I often try to avoid her because i find her scary. I often think of using her forum users character but don't want her to think I am promoting her evil ways.
I once thought I would read through all her comics but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I asked myself "Would LadyJ ever read my comics?" Then I figuered no she wouldn't. So I didn't read hers.
So then I thought I'll just try to keep away from her. However, I now realize that LadyJ is the coolest person on this site. Everyone loves her!
LadyJ is a good citizen and a nigh invulnerable member of these forums. If we had a strip creator election I would vote for her to be Treasurer. LadyJ continue to rock and continue to post your witty comments on life, love, and the pursuit of home ownership.

Invulnerable or invaluable?

Hmmm, maybe you got that right.

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stop fighting , mommy and daddy!!!

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Wee all hae yer maw last night.

On a positive note...

I have to say that I appreciate the existence of this community. (Yes, yes, I have sent Brad money, and I will send more). I can't think of anything much more fun than a community based on the idea of making each other laugh.

As in any community (flesh or online) there are people I admire, people I like, and people I merely tolerate. You take the bad (sometimes dreadful) with the good (sometimes magnificent).

On the subject of newbies, I sometimes think Brad should add functionality to the new userid creation process, where one is forced to read the faq before they are able to post. Maybe they'd have to check off for each question "Yes, I've read this and I understand." But Brad has a lot more to do than that, I am sure.

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On the subject of newbies, I sometimes think Brad should add functionality to the new userid creation process, where one is forced to read the faq before they are able to post. Maybe they'd have to check off for each question "Yes, I've read this and I understand." But Brad has a lot more to do than that, I am sure.

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Yeah, I agree... I just haven't been able to think of anything better. I know what you mean about just checking things off. Every time I install Microsoft software I just go, "Yeah, yeah, I agree, whatever..." and click the box or hit F8, etc.

Bill Gates probably owns my gonads by now.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.