We know who they are now \/

Yep, that's for sure. Because Clinton only had eight years of dumbing down our intel network, and damn Bush to hell for not fixing it in nine months.

This isn't the time for politics, but anyone that doesn't see Clinton as largely responsible for non-action at MANY terrorist acts during his reign just isn't paying attention.

Oh, and if we can agree that an increased intel network would help, as most experts have said today, we can agree that an increased defense budget would help. A point some of you missed.

Not that that guy (and William Cohen, if anyone caught his horn tooting today about being the first to warn against Bin Laden) wasn't an opportunistic fuck.

Peace.

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What does that represent? Heat? Intelligence? Coolness?

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It's a radar image - that's smoke/dust.

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Smoke and dust, apparently. The orangeness is deceptive.

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Yep, that's for sure. Because Clinton only had eight years of dumbing down our intel network, and damn Bush to hell for not fixing it in nine months.

This isn't the time for politics, but anyone that doesn't see Clinton as largely responsible for non-action at MANY terrorist acts during his reign just isn't paying attention.

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I wasn't going to respond to this but I can't help it.

There were a few known incidents where terrorist actions were thwarted during Clinton's administration and probably more we never heard about publicly. Who, besides you and opportunistic Republican politicians, are claiming that our intelligence services have been "dumbed down"? They have a large budget and have had many successes.

Clinton launched missile attacks more than once in response to terrorist actions and plans (remember when he bombed Baghdad because the Iraqis were planning to try to assassinate GHWBush?). What more would you have liked him to do? Invade Libya or Afghanistan?

I didn't miss that "point." I think it is a specious argument. You don't have to increase the entire defense budget to increase the effectiveness of intelligence operations. You can increase the intelligence budget and decrease other areas to account for modern military reality.

Besides, who says that throwing more money at intelligence operations would have prevented what happened today? We stopped or partially thwarted several terrorist schemes before but it should not be surprising that one got through. The terrorists have learned from their past mistakes and managed to pull off this attack. There's no reason yet (in the final analysis, who knows?) to assume that money spent on defense would have prevented this tragedy.

I think it's highly likely that the events today would have happened regardless of who is president or was for the previous 8 years. Short of invading arab countries or mounting costly assassinations that would bring more hatred and thus terrorism upon us, I'm not sure what would have prevented this.

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Sorry, I don't want to get into politics here but that piece of passive-aggressive arrogance irked me somethin' fierce.

Peace.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

Yes. There are few things more sickening than people who stand in the wreckage after a tragedy, jumping up and down, screaming "I was right! I was right! You should have listened to me!"

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Just disregard my last couple of posts, please. I am sleep-deprived and a bit out of sorts. Good night, all, and take care...

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Yep, that's for sure. Because Clinton only had eight years of dumbing down our intel network...

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I was talking about breaking contracts and contact with our allies. No president has taken it as far as Bush. Who hasn't he offended and alienated?

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Yeah... didn't mean to hit rant mode. Just venting. Harmless gas.

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everyone needs to realize that, cliche or not, hindsight is 20/20. one of my first thoughts upon hearing all this was "gee, i wish clinton was still president, 'cause bush is a reagan clone who's pretty much itching to start a war somewhere, and he's gonna get us nuked." obviously, this hasn't happened--well, yet anyway.

did clinton deplete our intelligence capabilities? probably not. do we still have enough military presence to bring down whoever did this? probably. is it easy to blame clinton for not preparing us to prevent these attacks? definitely, and that's what's happening in some parts (my dad said we should nuke the tree-huggers while we're at it).

the parties who are to blame for the terrorist attacks are the people themselves. not the architects, not past or present administrations--the terrorists. some asshole with a grudge against the states, and ambition to back it up, will always be able to find a way to accomplish his goals of creating mayhem. that's true for mcveigh and his ryder truck full of fertilizer, and it's true for the sick fuck who obviously had waaaay too much time on his hands and hatched this pretty brilliant scheme--hell, it's even true for the kids who killed everyone at columbine. if they'd had metal detectors in place there, harris and klebold still would have run past the checkpoints, guns blazing.

my point? you can't prepare for psychopathy, really. you can only prepare to deal with the psychopaths once they've realized their psychopathic ends. yes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but you can't prevent something as bizarre and irrational as what happened today. we can't monitor every person in the world to make sure they're not up to something.

i think i've repeated myself a few times now, so i'll end this post.

peace, indeed.

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Sorry, I don't want to get into politics here but that piece of passive-aggressive arrogance irked me somethin' fierce.

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I think what you said was really on the mark.

I'm really getting sick of the opportunistic fucks who use a tragedy like this to advance political agendas.

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I vote for habnem.

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first of all, i liked bush's speech...
i didn't like bush, but in light of everything that's happened, i stand behind him and my country completely.
i used to hate war. i used to think that guns and fighting were morally reprehensible... now i've seen they are a necessity. i've never felt so patriotic.
give me a gun.
let me enlist.
this is our generation's pearl harbor? where is our clear enemy?
i'm filled with a rediculous desire to kick some ass, and have no way to vent my frustrations at the senselessness of cowards.

i tried to give blood, for the first time in my life...
there was a four hour delay and a guy asking us to come back later. i'm going to try tomorrow morning.
my friend who took blood all summer in a bloodmobile says they might not take me because i lived in england for two years during the mad cow disease scare...

i used to say if the draft was reinstated, i'd flee to canada or shoot myself in the foot... or my commanding officer for forcing me into a position where i might have to take another human being's life or die myself.
now i find myself hoping for it... i'd even jump the gun and enlist if they said they were looking for help.

stand up and take responsibility, damn you! you don't give the free world a slap in the face like this if you don't want it's attention. you have our attention. soon you will have more attention than you can handle.

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Hmmm, and what did you think of that 40 second long "are we on?" type pause before he started? How about the parts where he overenunciated words because they were probably spelled out phonetically?

I still think he's an ass, and it rankles that this is the only fucking way in hell he could possibly have the opportunity to "make good" out of his presidency. I don't for a moment believe that this was orchestrated to afford him that opportunity, but I also have to curse fate for putting us in such a tragically poetic situation.

I also have to reiterate my firm belief that Rudy Giuliani is a fucktard. At first he refused to cancel a primary because "we cannot allow terrorism to dictate to democracy". I understand and applaud the sentiment, but it's a fucking election! Who's going to get to the polls? The crazy fucks with the tin-foil caps and hefty bag armor, that's who! Everyone else is dealing with the world falling down around their ears and the unofficial martial law that fell upon the city.

I have to give New Yorkers in general a big round of applause. New York is a city that knows how to deal with a crisis (as long as it isn't a snowstorm). My mom and my sis were cool as cucumbers, and the people on TV were amazing. The best footage was the troop of laborers who were on their way to help clear the rubble. One of them said "and if I save a life, hey, that's one more life!"

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As did yours irk me. Clinton should have taken out Bin Laden. That's fact. CNN can find him for an interview, but our government can't locate him.

People all over the TV today, irrespective of party ideology, said our intel has been greatly reduced during Clinton's terms. I'd never heard that before today, but I believe it, since I don't know what people with different party affiliations have to gain from lying about this. This was all over the news today, you didn't filter out all of it?

Oh, and a big fuck you for calling me passive-aggressive. I meant Peace for our nation not as some goddamned ploy for argument's sake. If you can understand that, good. If you can't, fuck a goat.

Personally, I haven't thought a thing about politics during all of today's terrible happenings. Till I come on here that is and see lines talking about this helping Bush like it helped his dad, and Bush really screwing our intel network. Un-fucking-believable.

You can excuse or not excuse this post, whatever makes you feel better. I'm extremely angry, manic, distraught, and about eight other emotions I haven't defined yet.

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i can forgive the dumb guy for all that, lady j, because i don't for a minute believe he wrote that speech himself, and it was the sentiment behind it that brought a fucking tear to my eye.
and then a bunch of other redundant tears that make me seem more wussified than poigniant, but that's not the point.

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this is definitely the longest day i've ever known (not literally, of course)--i can't believe i woke up only twelve hours ago. i feel like i've been baling hay all day or something. of course, i'm not sure i'll be able to sleep--if i do, i'm sure those CNN videos will be replaying themselves in my head all night.

and obi, no offense, but you're still missing the point. there's no purpose in finger-pointing at this point. blaming clinton for taking away from the defense budget accomplishes nothing. after we've dealt with the tragedy at hand, then we can all postulate on what to do to prevent it from happening again. the one point i'm taking away from all the media coverage is that solidarity is key. if we all start scratching at each other's throats, then the terrorist has gotten what he wanted, hasn't he?

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anyone can feel free to congratulate me for using so many definitions of the word "point" in the same paragraph (:

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Okay, you get a point.

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No, I got the point. And I don't even consider it a specious argument. People deal with grief in different ways and one of them is anger. That's the point. So, no preaching please, even if I do happen to agree with you.

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i understand that, and i totally agree to your right to express an opinion, but it makes it harder for those of us trying to cope in different ways with all the yelling.

i guess we just all have different brand soapboxes... and if all else fails, i can just stop reading posts for the night (:

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i finally made a topical comic.

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