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ivytheplant
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lildeucecoup

Speak for yourself, crabby.

6-12-07 9:50pm (new)
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dcomposed
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ivytheplant

I don't know. What bigoted shithead would pretend he's too cool for everyone by posting about how he can't be bothered to care about anything?


Who posted in a thread about the Sopranos to say they haven't seen it?

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6-13-07 1:26am (new)
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Zaster
Wait for it...

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[u]The ending that should have been:[/u]

Tony and his family are seated at the diner, stuffing their faces with onion rings and talking about mundane matters.

Suddenly, for no apparent reason, Tony's head explodes. Horrified family members sit there in shock, speckled with blood and brain matter.

A few seconds later; more explosions. Screams of horror. Heads are exploding all over the diner. Cut to exterior shot. We see blood and brains spraying against the windows and running down in rivulets of horrible chunky gore.

The camera pulls back. Suddenly we see the diner itself explode for no reason.

Cut to a shot of the earth, floating placidly in space. Suddenly, it too explodes. The screen is awash in the white glow for a moment, and then the embers of the dying earth fade rapidly from view. The credits begin to roll.

It has come full circle. The writers have destroyed the world they themselves created. Bloggers everywhere enthuse about the brilliance and symbolism of this remarkable ending.

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6-13-07 5:32am (new)
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mandingo
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Zasteryou could have saved some words and just said "they should have ended it how they ended Empty Nest"

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6-13-07 9:06am (new)
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ivytheplant
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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dcomposed

I like how you go out of your way to be annoyed at what I do or say. It's very healthy.

No, I've never seen the Sopranos. Not my kind of genre. However, I have heard a lot of good things about it. I didn't realize it was ending. Jesus, didn't it just premiere? Or it is it one of those things where it's been on 10 years and time flew?

6-13-07 9:57am (new)
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matclarke
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Its been on for about ten years. But they always took their sweet ass time between seasons. “–‚Ä“¦‚°‚µ‚Ă܂·ÂB‚¿‚Ȃ݂ÉŽ„‚Í–{l‚ł͂ ‚è‚Ü‚¹‚ñ

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6-13-07 10:24am (new)
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little_kitty
I bop, you bop, a-they bop.

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xxausrottenxx

 

h4w!!

Anyway, in regards to the Sopranos... I watched about 5 episodes of last season, just because a friend of mine from work seemed to be consistently missing them, and I had them on dvr (essentially), so I could watch them whenever I wanted to, and filled her in. Other than that, I was never truly interested in the show. Its just not one of those genre's that make me go "Sweet!"

I agree with Ivy in that I hate it when people are all "oh, this movie is SOOO good." and they up my expectations of the movie. Take, for example, 'Man of the Year' with Robin Williams. People saw the trailers for it and thought "man, its going to be the second coming of Good Morning, Vietnam", and then they were very disappointed in that it wasn't non-stop chuckles the whole way through. I went in thinking " Sweet, Robin Williams", and I was very impressed with the film.

PS I hate movie trailers.

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6-13-07 1:35pm (new)
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mandingo
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no shit. them and Oz

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6-13-07 4:54pm (new)
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biped
Mr. Wonderful

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"Moonlighting" started the fad of taking forever between seasons.

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6-13-07 10:27pm (new)
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LuckyGuess
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The Sopranos should have ended with a musical episode, set in the den of some lovable rapscallions who are intermittantly shot while singing Omaha in different languages.

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6-14-07 1:47am (new)
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boorite
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I never saw The Sopranos either. I watch about as much TV as I can, and I still don't have time to watch everything that's good. There's just too much good TV. That sounds like sarcasm, but it isn't. Of course, a lot of the shows I watch aren't very "good" at all, but they're about things I'm interested in, so it's like required viewing. Anyway, if someone asked me to write a script called "The Sopranos," it would be about a bunch of guys who got kicked in the balls.

And lildeucecoup/crabby and dcomposed, it's sad to see that your idea of contributing to a forum is still taking cheap potshots at girls. I wish you'd both go fuck yourselves.

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6-14-07 12:13pm (new)
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FinnNYC
germs

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Uh oh... I sense another "I quit stripcreator" rant coming.

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6-14-07 1:46pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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FinnNYC

I don't remember ever making any such rant. Did you imagine it?

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6-14-07 2:24pm (new)
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ArtemisStrong
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So, back to the subject at hand:

 

I watched the Sopranos for the first season, then dumped it partway through the second.  It seemed the show drifted from the interesting anamoly it was into standard Mob stuff mixed with quirk.

 

And the end, as I saw it on MSNBC the next day, was a gimmick, nothing more.  An effective gimmick, yes, but still- lazy writing.

 

In contrast the Dark Tower series (which I just finished a week ago) has an ending that, while upsetting some of the fans, does actually end.  As difficult and tricky as I'm sure it was to write, King still gave the readers satisfaction, as far as closure goes.  I'm using this as an example not just because it's recent in my memory, but because King actually stops the narrative before the climax and goes into a mini-essay about the very topic of endings, expectations and closure.  Even though he thought his story was best left without an ending, he recognizes the inherent need of endings, even in the loosest minimalist works.

Even Vonnegut and Beckett give us endings, even if they are elliptical and open.   "And so on" and "I will go on", while pointing the absence of story-like climaxes in real life, DO provide an ending in that they tell us that, yes, these characters continue on.

But jarringly cutting to black in the midst of plot-driven tension tells the audience nothing.  Chase had to choose:  Meadow or a hitman.  Either of these two characters entering could have allowed for a delicious open ending (Meadow: "So, they have this moment... but Tony could still get it"; hitman : "Okay, Tony's gonna' get it, but what happens to his family?").  Or any other of possible combinations.  But to just have a partial reaction from Tony, then cutting to black is a cop-out, plain and simple.

To contrast, I suggest any of you who have seen it to recall the last episode of Twin Peaks.  Open- yes, a cliffhanger- true; but at least you get a proper climax.

And so on.

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6-14-07 9:10pm (new)
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FinnNYC
germs

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I thought Six Feet Under's ending was perfect. It fit with the show's theme and put a big-ass period at the end of the show.

 

I'm leaving this open for butt and/or menstual jokes.

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6-15-07 8:02am (new)
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kramer_vs_kramer
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ArtemisStrong

Twin Peaks' ending a proper climax? Surely you jest.

 

Etc.

6-15-07 11:56am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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FinnNYC

I can't go swimming. I'm having my ass period.

I don't remember very many series finales for some reason. I remember in Seinfeld they all just sort of wandered off, which seemed like a lot of verite for a farcical show.

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6-15-07 1:34pm (new)
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boloboffin
putting the whee in ennui

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No, silly, in Seinfeld they all got prison time for not being Good Samaritans.

M*A*S*H is where they kinda wander away, one by one, but with closure to their Korea stories.

I'm beginning to think Tony got whacked. They really took their time to establish that the men's room was down that little hall which focused right on Tony. And Tony looks up to see Meadow, which means he would have been distracted from the men's room door opening. The guy could have gotten the window open, plugged Tony from the restroom, and beat a retreat without too many people seeing him. Which becomes the whole point of Meadow not being able to park. If she'd just zoomed in and gotten to the table, she'd be sitting there beside Tony, sheilding him.

He dead.

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6-15-07 2:35pm (new)
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ArtemisStrong
masturbating to Japanese shit porn

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kramer_vs_kramer

Twin Peaks' ending a proper climax? Surely you jest.

 

Etc.


 

Well, a proper climax in the sense of story structure.  You are left with a very concrete idea of how things lay at the end.  How the events ultimately turn out is hinted at (obliquely, I admit).

Now, if you were to say it was a proper climax in the sense of anwering all of the dramatic questions raised throughout the series, then yes, it leaves the viewer hanging.

But that Sopranos finale wasn't about major dramatic questions, answered or unanswered.  And, honestly, what kind of real questions did the series ever raise? 

The pilot was intriguing and seemed to hint at some nice stuff about how this guy who deals with murderers day in and day out might actually die not from a bullet, but from an anxiety attack.  But how quickly was that whole plotline dropped (By "dropped" I don't mean never mentioned again, but the concept losing importance in the drama of Tony's life.)?

So it goes.

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6-15-07 2:52pm (new)
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biped
Mr. Wonderful

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I think the last scene in "Newhart" was the most creative series ending ever.

Also, the finale of "The Fugitive" was an awesome cultural event.

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6-15-07 3:21pm (new)
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boloboffin
putting the whee in ennui

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biped

No arguments here. And then I found out Tom Poston was married to Suzanne Pleschette. Ain't that a kick in the head?

The next thing you'll be telling me is that Richard Dawkins is married to Rowana.

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You can take the heart out of the hooker but you can't take the hooker out of the heart. -- Frankenhooker

6-15-07 3:35pm (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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and it's not even that effective after the first viewing. i watched it again yesterday and without all the "is he gonna get whacked" anxiety, it just plays like an incomplete episode, truncated poorly

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6-15-07 5:05pm (new)
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ivytheplant
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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FinnNYC

Whoa, Six Feet Under ended? When the hell did that happen?

Though it's not surprising since it's been a long time since I saw it. The last episode I remember, the taller brother was going in for brain surgery or something and then I didn't have TV for a while. By the time I got TV again, I had no idea what was going on and wandered off.

6-15-07 8:04pm (new)
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boloboffin
putting the whee in ennui

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I want a T-Shirt:

My TV Show Had A Better Finale Than Your TV Show.

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You can take the heart out of the hooker but you can't take the hooker out of the heart. -- Frankenhooker

6-15-07 8:26pm (new)
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ArtemisStrong
masturbating to Japanese shit porn

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All I know is that The Simpsons finale better be worth it.

 

Okay, so here's a couple lists you all can add to/detract from/dastrically alter as you see fit:

 

GOOD TV SHOW FINALES

  • Newhart
  • Quantum Leap
  • Cheers
  • Home Movies
  • BBC's The Office

POOPY TV SHOW FINALES

  • The Sopranos
  • The X-Files
  • Seinfeld

 

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Ham-fisted ham fisting.

6-15-07 9:06pm (new)
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