Why didn't I think of that?

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I think them blowing up our world trade center pretty much take any of the ambiguity away from wondering whether or not Al Qaeda is our enemy.

I still don't understand your point. Should we stop fighting Al Qaeda?

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Nope. I am saying the United States powers-that-be should be held accountable for collaboration with terrorists.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

So what exactly did the military do with the terrorists in Kosovo? How many joint-terrorist actions did they take part in?

How many genocides did they stop?

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Cant we all just get along? no? well ok...

An amusing Freudian slip.

But blowing up US military ships didn't? Clinton didn't need to see into the future to know that al-Qaeda were bad news. They'd already killed Americans.

I still haven't gotten a good explanation of what we did with Al Qaeda in Kosovo, other than both existing at the same time.

I think it's pretty clear Clinton wasn't going to move militarily until it was absolutely neccessary and the risks were minimal; I didn't like the man but I don't think he was in league with Al Qaeda. I just think he was a selfish coward.

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Ah, so you would have been fully supportive of Clinton had he sent troops into Afghanistan and Iraq some time in the '90s based on shaky CIA data? Do you think the American public would have backed such a military effort prior to 9/11?

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

Al Quaeda isn't one organisation, more a network of various Islamic groups. So it's possible the Kosovan freedom fighters were affiliated with Al Quaeda, but weren't directly part of the main Bin Laden cell.

Right. As are most terrorist organizations. Hezbollah is all over the frikkin' place.

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But blowing up US military ships didn't? Clinton didn't need to see into the future to know that al-Qaeda were bad news. They'd already killed Americans.

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Yes I would have supported going into Afghanistan purely on the human rights issue. But you know the U.S. wouldn't move to action under Clinton unless an easily defeatable despot was outright committing genocide.

Also if Clinton pushed very hard for unrestricted U.N. access in Iraq, and then was denied it, I would have supported a limited military force in Iraq. But Clinton didn't express the political will on this issue. I don't think Americans were content with having Saddam remain in power. I think it would have been easier then, not long after the first Gulf War, than now to get Americans behind such a war.

I think MikeyG is still just talking out his ass. Tell me what terrorist actions we collaborated with Al Qaeda on in Kosovo or shut up.

Also "prodigy" doesn't mean the same thing as "prodigal son". It's not a freudian slip if you don't know the meaning of the words you misuse, it's just a typo.

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prodigal son is the same thing as saying male prodigy. It is unfortunate that for once an intelligent discussion had to descend again into the depths of inanity and pih-headedness. MaaK, you've been asked to put up or shut up about a million times, so it's rather hard for you to accuse anyone of taking your own tact. Although maybe since you are the master of it, you think you recognize it.

It's really sad that you almost had me believing for a minute that you were worth engaging in a discussion. Bye.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

The most opportune time would've been the end of the first Gulf War, surely. Do you think George H.W. should've ousted Saddam then? Why do you think he chose to leave the dictator in power at that point?

Yeah, it's pretty clear he meant "progeny". But let's not start this again.

MikeyG I understand how you could be angry when I ask you to provide an example of how the United States collaborated in a terrorist plot with Al Qaeda in Kosovo and you are unable to do so, even though you suggested otherwise earlier. It is a natural human reaction to embarrassment.

Also:

The "prodigal son" refers to Jesus' parable of the wayward son who returned home. (LUKE 15:11-32)

A "prodigy" is "an unusually gifted or intelligent (young) person"

Bush Sr. was a big backer of the U.N. and the international community. His coalition didn't have the political will to go in and oust Saddam. If he planned on going in in his potential 2nd term [which never happened], maybe he was going to go through diplomatic and U.N. channels to gain a willing coalition to go in and get Saddam out. Or it could have been a political calculation, I don't know. I've also heard we may have doubted our military ability to win in Iraq at that point in time, though I doubt that theory myself.

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But the thing is that there was a popular uprising against Saddam at the end of the war - an uprising Bush had publicly called for - forcing the coalition to make a clear choice: support the revolt and oust Saddam, or withdraw, allowing him to wipe out the rebels and retain power. Bush took the latter option. Whatever your political leanings, it's difficult to see how that's defensible.

I think he called for the uprising as an alternative to an invasion. Like I said I think he didn't have the international will to go in there, even with the uprising. (It being a Shi'ite uprising we would be running to the aid of probably would have alienated some other Arab states in the coalition even more).

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Are you the same MaaK who said something along the lines of 'awww, boo hoo' when somebody asked about the innocent Iraqis whose homes were being accidentally bombed by us?

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And Clinton had the requisite international will and Arab acquiescence but was just too much of a pussy to take advantage of it, right? In Clinton's case the continued stalemate with Iraq was his personal failure, not a sound approach proportionate to the circumstances like that pursued by Bush the Elder?

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SS in the US?

US (that is, Bush) endangering world economy

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

I don't remember saying "awww, boo hoo." I do remember saying that the Iraqis no longer being opressed would be a good thing.

He could have been more willful with the U.N. mission there instead of rolling over and playing dead. Clinton had 2 terms to deal with Saddam post-Gulf War, Bush Sr. had maybe half of a term. I can't pretend to know what he would have done if he had a second term though, sorry.

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But on 10/27/03, MaaK the Humanitarian said:

It sounds to me like you care about human rights when it is convenient for your current line of argument.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

Bush looked for excuse long before 9/11

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

Er, maybe loosely, but the previous definition by Makk was correct. Though, he failed to point out that the more contemporary usage of the phrase refers not just to Jesus, but messiah-like figures, often sarcastically.

Prodigy itself has multiple meanings, by the way. The most common has been cited; one who takes easily and naturally to a difficult task, skill, orientation, or thought process.

Other meanings are a play on the original, however, and are somewhat invalidated by this. I believe the roots of the "prodigal son" stem from "prodigy", but it has been changed.

Sorry to be so pedantic, I'll go *poof* now.

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I care, I just don't think any President is going to put his butt on the line for strictly those reasons. If a President said he was going to start cleaning up the earth on those grounds and did so without bias I would support it, but again that is very doubtful anyone would do that. It seems like it takes a genocide to get us moving unless terrorism against western interests are involved.

Afghanistan is a situation we helped perpetuate, so I argue we had more of a responsibility there also.

Um, the term doesn't refer to Jesus at all. It refers to an imaginary character in one of his parables. The character is not a messiah, he is a son who rebels and leaves home, and then repents his ways and returns home.

Don't you mean..sorry for being stupid?

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"Without comment, the top court refused to hear an appeal by civil liberties and other groups challenging the secret arrests and detentions for violating the Freedom of Information Act and constitutional free-speech rights under the First Amendment."

http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=MyLycos&storyId=813171

Jezzus fuck.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet