You're not only blind, you have hearing problems.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

Quote for me in the story about IRS loopholes anything about the GOP, I didn't see it.

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'I am not qualified,' Goss told 'Fahrenheit 9/11' producers

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What a non-story. Poor Michael Moore looks like he is just pining for a lost sandwich.

"There used to be a sandwich....right here. And now someone will pay."

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What's that, Makk? I can't hear you, that giant sucking sound coming from the Bush administration is deafening.

A non-issue...hmmm, makes sense. After all, Bush isn't qualified for his job either.

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The Dems aren't even trying to block the nomination. It's only a "story" because Michael Moore is desperately trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame.

Also the director of the CIA doesn't need to know Arabic or Farsi, or be able to blend in with associated ethnic groups. I don't think Tenet was sent on many covert missions to the Middle East during his time as CIA head, and I don't think he was personally translating documents into English.

MMMMmmmmmmmmmmm oh Ron.

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I don't know if the guy is qualified or not, but I do think that the choice of a guy from Florida is politically motivated, especially when at last count Bush was 7 points behind there.

Of course, I think everything Bush does is considered in light of his re-election chances first, his contributors interests second, his base supporters third, and the country's best interests... oh, 92nd perhaps.

Example: Tax cuts for the wealthy. Sounds good for re-election. Didn't do much of anything for the economy, but made his fat-cat contributors happy.

Example: Stem-cell research. Figures it isn't a big enough issue to hurt him in re-election, but it sure makes his anti-abortion base happy. Now it is becoming a bigger negative for him and he is wavering. Hmmmmm.

All politicians do this to some extent, but Bush does it in a way that is detrimental to the country that is scary. The war being the biggest example of something he thought would do well for him in re-election, made the military contractors happy, his base happy, and turned out to be damned bad for our country.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

I really don't think people vote based on whether or not the CIA chief is from their home state.

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Then the Dems who aren't asking any questions about his competency for the job need to be railed against too. If it's true he isn't qualified for the job, he shouldn't be doing it. Period. We've got far too many idiots in Washington running this country into the ground as it is.

Of course not. He doesn't need to know anything about the supposed enemy out there that is going to supposedly bomb us back into the Stone Age. All he has to do is sit back in his La-Z-Boy in that spacious office of his and delegate responsibility.

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So the only qualified leader of the CIA would be Arabic and speak Arabic?

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I'm sure the head of McDonald's doesn't know how to flip a burger and the owner of Sony probably can't sing.

The head of the CIA doesn't need to be Jason Bourne.

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No. The article says that Goss admitted not having "the cultural background". Don't you think that it would be helpful to have an idea of the mindset of the modern Arabic terrorist when you're running the agency that is supposed to protect the USA? Call me cynical, but when the new CIA head admits this, it doesn't instill hope that we will be protected from the bad guys.

That's par for the course. In the few jobs I've had, most (not all though) of my superiors had no fucking clue how to do my job. Not that I would expect them to know my job inside and out, but at least have a clue.

Well, if we had someone in charge of the CIA around July or August of 2001 who had aspired to be Jason Bourne, maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened.

I look at the whole Goss issue this way : If the boss is lax on things and/or unaware of what the hell is going on, that promotes incompetence among his employees. Shit flows downhill.

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Supposing all the threats the U.S. are going to face are strictly Arabic in nature is just as short-sided as supposing no group or nation posed a reasonable threat to the U.S. after the U.S.S.R. disbanded.

How would having an Arabic background have helped prevent 9-11?

Kajun is right, the head of the CIA isn't going to personally infiltrate the Arab world. If the candidate made the comments he allegedly made it sounds like a rare case of humility and realistic thinking. He sounds like a good leader.

Many many people work under the head of the CIA, and specific people take on specific accounts. Some will work with Arabs, some won't. Thinking you need an Arab at the top of your command because we are fighting Arabs would be like Kennedy calling for a Communist to head up the war on the Soviets.

That's par for the course. In the few jobs I've had, most (not all though) of my superiors had no fucking clue how to do my job. Not that I would expect them to know my job inside and out, but at least have a clue.

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The candidate had at least ten years experience in the CIA.

Well, if we had someone in charge of the CIA around July or August of 2001 who had aspired to be Jason Bourne, maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened.

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It was the FBI that didn't have the power to detain the suspected terrorists, not the CIA. All you had to do was turn on CNN to know UBL and al-Qaeda wanted to hit us, you didn't need the CIA for that.

The truth is if someone took to the streets the day before 9-11 claiming New York was facing an certain immense attack and the U.S. was grossly unprepared a lot of people would have considered the person a raving lunatic.

Not knowing Arabic or not looking Arabic doesn't make you unaware. Stop sucking on Michael Moore's asshole, I don't care if it tastes like Pringles.

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I typed "No." when you asked "So the only qualified leader of the CIA would be Arabic and speak Arabic?". The post is dated 8-15-04 6:01pm. It's the first word right after the first quote (from you) of my post. Do you need a roadmap? A screen capture maybe, so you don't have to scroll up?

That's par for the course. In the few jobs I've had, most (not all though) of my superiors had no fucking clue how to do my job. Not that I would expect them to know my job inside and out, but at least have a clue.

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The candidate had at least ten years experience in the CIA.

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What does that have to do with my experience with supervisors in the workplace?

If we knew al-Qaida was going to hit us, then why wasn't it stopped?

Let's clear the air here, shall we? Just because I post a link regarding Moore doesn't mean I like the guy. Actually, I think he's an overblown media whore. But he raises questions that Bush apologists like you won't, so I respect him for that. Interesting side note : I have never seen any of Moore's movies.

P.S. I prefer Lay's Stax.

Ass.

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I typed "No." when you asked "So the only qualified leader of the CIA would be Arabic and speak Arabic?". The post is dated 8-15-04 6:01pm. It's the first word right after the first quote (from you) of my post. Do you need a roadmap? A screen capture maybe, so you don't have to scroll up?

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The only thing in his alleged quote that says he might be "unqualified" is that he admits he is neither Arabic speaking nor from an Arabic background. If you concede that doesn't matter, what is the issue?

I notice also you chop in half one sentence. What about me poitning out our only threats aren't Arabic? What about me asking what is so Arab-specific about 9-11 that an Arab mindset would have stopped it? Is Bourne Arab specific? How could he have stopped it if he didn't have "an Arabic understanding"?

What does that have to do with my experience with supervisors in the workplace?

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What does you working at McDonalds have to do with this discussion? Hey I think the fries are burning.

If we knew al-Qaida was going to hit us, then why wasn't it stopped?

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We knew that wanted to hit us. Also the FBI were keeping tabs on the hijackers, but lacked the authority to go after them. That was a legal problem no where near the jurisdiction of the CIA.

If you point is that the CIA should have known about the specifics of the attacks, again I ask how a "greater Arab understanding by the CIA chief" could have allowed this?

Just chop in half my sentence and answer half of it, you have no chance of competently answering an entire one.

Let's clear the air here, shall we? Just because I post a link regarding Moore doesn't mean I like the guy. Actually, I think he's an overblown media whore. But he raises questions that Bush apologists like you won't, so I respect him for that. Interesting side note : I have never seen any of Moore's movies.

P.S. I prefer Lay's Stax.

Ass.

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Well Michael Moore is the only reason this is a story. Even Democratic law makers agree. Are top Democratic law makers also "Bush apologists"? Or is everyone but Michael Moore-ass-suckers "Bush apologists"? How does Michael Moore's ass taste now that you've been sucking on it a bit niteowl? Does it taste like the corndogs he had to tide him over between lunch and dinner?

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I'm sure the head of McDonald's doesn't know how to flip a burger and the owner of Sony probably can't sing.

The head of the CIA doesn't need to be Jason Bourne.

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I think that's the problem, Kajun. Maybe it does.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

You understand that person is imaginary with imaginary powers, right?

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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were using metaphor. Also, I wasn't aware that the character of Jason Bourne had "powers".

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

Go-it-alone loose cannons aren't even allowed in the lower eschelons of the CIA, why would they put someone like that at the top?

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What? God, I hope you're not that stupid. Here's some clarity for you:

Maybe someone who's lived through the fieldwork or has worked their way from the mailboy slot at the bottom of the foodchain would be better suited to running a company than some of these fatcat CEOs who simply come into the company in a higher position. Maybe if the requirements to be an executive were that you had to pull a four-month stint as the lowest rung on the ladder in whatever company they're running. Like, maybe the new McDonald's CEO should be putting on an apron and manning the fry-o-later for a few months.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

The candidate spent 10 years in the CIA.

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Just because someone spent 10 years (or 100) in an area or field doesn't mean they know enough about it to competently run it. My boss has been in the department that I'm in for over 10 years and when they made him my supervisor over a year ago, he didn't know the first thing about my job, and still doesn't. He consistently asks me questions that I have already given him the answers to time and time again. The point is that with the exception of that precise moment when he needs an answer, it isn't something that he feels is important enough to remember day to day. I studied my ass off in high school for a geography test on the names and locations of every country on the planet. Had to fill in a map and everything. I got 100% on the test and a week later didn't remember shit. I say that with the knowledge that now certain...fq factions /fq of these forums will pounce on my supposed lack of education as a basis for disregarding what I've said here and in the past. Have at it and know that you won't get a response.

Every time that I have been in a supervisory role I have made it a personal mission to know the jobs and responsibilities of each and every person who reported both directly and indirectly to me. I may not have been as good at all of them as they were, but I knew how to do it. How can a leader expect respect from their people if they can't even do the job they are being paid so much not to have to do. That statement sounds like an oxymoron but it makes sense nonetheless. You may not have to have a phd in Arabic studies to run the CIA but if these are people that you are going to have to deal with on a regular basis and possibly have to anticipate hostile actions of,the next time you take a 2 week fishing trip, stop at the library and pick up a couple of reference books. Then instead of just cracking a beer and dropping a line, you can crack a book too. It isn't that difficult

Reading is FUN-da-mental.

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When life hands you lemons, throw them at someone. Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

If he deals with other Arabs, he's dealing with national intelligence agencies of Arabic countries, he's not being spoken to in Arabic and being expected to translate himself.

I have several books on intelligence services and I'm reading a new one right now. Nowhere have I seen information that leads me to believe the head of the CIA needs to speak Arabic or translate documents.

Also you, like niteowl, are ignoring my point about the U.S. facing other threats besides Arabs. What if we had someone placed in the position with a strong Arab background and the next threat to the U.S. was not Arab in origin?

A lot of Muslim extremists are not even Arabic.

Also your experience at McDonald's probably doesn't translate well into the day-to-day life of the CIA. And I was just answering the complaint that someone needed experience to lead. Are you saying they should be finding someone with no CIA experience?

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One sentence sums my feelings on Goss : If you don't know your enemy, how will you stop them?

I had typed 5 paragraphs more, but then I read Spankling's "You're not only blind, you have hearing problems." and remembered that everything I had typed would've been taken out of context completely, a la the Bush apologist thing. It's just not worth the hassle.

I feel bad for you, Makk. Seriously, I do.

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The Dems aren't even trying to block the nomination. It's only a "story" because Michael Moore is desperately trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame.

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You don't think that making movies(some of which are crazily successful) since 1989 is more than 15 minutes of fame?