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andydougan
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Reminds me of this one:

[Click to view comic: 'Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh']

Pretty funny, but not exactly realistic. And isn't Rush in jail with sex addiction or something now?

8-16-04 5:51pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Yet again, you ignore the fact that all of our potential enemies are not Arabic. And not knowing Arabic doesn't mean you don't understand the Arabic threat.

The DCI's job is one of coordination. People on the payroll will know the enemy. Aren't you being a little racist and short-sited when you assume all of our enemies are strictly Arabic?

The CIA has people on the payroll who understand the Arabic threat. And they have people on the payroll that understand the Chinese threat. And they have people on the payroll who understand the Indonesian threat, and so forth. I think you are completely out of your depth and have no clear idea of the subject you are pretending to speak.

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8-17-04 12:06pm (new)
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niteowl
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Yes, I'm ignoring it because you flat-out LIED and said that I've completely disregarded any other threat in the world besides Arabs. Remember this exchange? Page 112.

[b]Me: The article says that Goss admitted not having "the cultural background". Don't you think that it would be helpful to have an idea of the mindset of the modern Arabic terrorist when you're running the agency that is supposed to protect the USA? Call me cynical, but when the new CIA head admits this, it doesn't instill hope that we will be protected from the bad guys.
You: Supposing all the threats the U.S. are going to face are strictly Arabic in nature is just as short-sided as supposing no group or nation posed a reasonable threat to the U.S. after the U.S.S.R. disbanded.[/b]

What you typed was in DIRECT response to what I typed. Note that nowhere in MY post did I say that the only threat is from Arabs. I didn't "suppose" a goddamned thing. You ASSUMED it, lied about it, put words in my mouth, etc etc. Also, nowhere in [u]any[/u] of my other posts did I say that we should only be concerned with Arabs. Go check 'em if you want. So pretty please, with sugar on top, stop the bullshit.

You see, this is exactly why you have been called a troll more than a few times in this train-wreck of a thread.

I can't believe just how far you are willing to go to attempt to prove a weak point. Now I'm a racist because I didn't acknowledge your lies about what I "supposedly" said.

Blah, blah, blah blah blah...zzzzzz.

I'm really getting a kick out of seeing you make an ass of yourself Makk, but I'm done discussing Goss since it's clear that you cannot make a valid point without it being full of lies.

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8-17-04 5:31pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Yet again, you ignore the fact that all of our potential enemies are not Arabic. And not knowing Arabic doesn't mean you don't understand the Arabic threat.

Yes, I'm ignoring it because you flat-out LIED and said that I've completely disregarded any other threat in the world besides Arabs. Remember this exchange? Page 112.

Me: The article says that Goss admitted not having "the cultural background". Don't you think that it would be helpful to have an idea of the mindset of the modern Arabic terrorist when you're running the agency that is supposed to protect the USA? Call me cynical, but when the new CIA head admits this, it doesn't instill hope that we will be protected from the bad guys.
You: Supposing all the threats the U.S. are going to face are strictly Arabic in nature is just as short-sided as supposing no group or nation posed a reasonable threat to the U.S. after the U.S.S.R. disbanded.

What you typed was in DIRECT response to what I typed. Note that nowhere in MY post did I say that the only threat is from Arabs.


In the article (if you had read it) he was very clearly referring to an Arabic background. You omitting this to pretend you were saying something else doesn't change what he said.

No, I based what I said very clearly on the article and the alleged comments made by Gross, not pretensions you made up by posting a selective quote about a "cultural background", leaving out the context where he very clearly refers to Arabic cultural backgrounds.

The article, and the subject of this conversation, however, only mentions Gross not having an Arabic background. He doesn't say he lacks any other cultural background.

I can't believe just how far you are willing to go to attempt to prove a weak point. Now I'm a racist because I didn't acknowledge your lies about what I "supposedly" said.


You're criticizing Gross as not being qualified based on his alleged comments by Michael Moore. In the transcript of the alleged comments he only criticizes himself for not having a background in Arabic cultures. He doesn't say any cultures whatsoever. So, if you're deeming him unfit for the comments he made based on him not having the appropriate cultural background, you're criticizing him for claiming to not have a strong background in Arabic studies. You can't just make up facts but it seems you keep on trying anyway.

Blah, blah, blah blah blah...zzzzzz.


Way to prove me wrong.

Go back and read the source document (a.k.a. the entire basis for this conversation) go back three spaces and roll the dice again.

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8-17-04 6:48pm (new)
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Spankling
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Suppress the Vote?

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8-17-04 8:23pm (new)
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niteowl
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From the article :

That quote is what I was basing my opinion on. Maybe I should just post the entire article so you'll FINALLY read it, Makk. Nowhere in that article does anything containing references to other "BAD GUYS" show up. It was never inferred by me, or that article, unless you consider this being inferred:

You brought it up, and I didn't respond because it didn't need to be responded to because you accused me of saying something, or better yet, something I "omitted". You're full of shit, Makk. Stop the lies.

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8-18-04 3:25am (new)
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boorite
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I go away for two weeks and niteowl takes my job.

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8-18-04 6:57am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Welcome back pumpkin.

you're right, it doesn't mention other cultures, only Arabs. Goss allegedly said he probably wouldn't be hired by the CIA to work on Arab accounts because he doesn't have the background. He doesn't say he could never lead the CIA because he doesn't have an Arabic background. You're saying he should lead the CIA based on his comments about not having the correct (Arabic) cultural background. I'm telling you, again and again and again, that the CIA leader doesn't need an Arabic background. He's not doing analysis on Arab groups, he's not translating documents, he's not going into the field and mixing with them, and above all else, he's dealing with many other nations besides Arab ones.

You're right the article doesn't mention other cultural groups. Therefore Goss only allegedly speaks to a shortcoming in his Arabic background, something that in no way would impede his ability to be the DCI.

By you accusing Goss of not having the "correct cultural background" to lead the CIA, you do so only based on the information in the article. In the article he only allegedly says he does not have the appropriate Arabic background to be hired by the CIA for their most important work. He doesn't mention other cultural deficiencies. Therefore, if you agree with Michael Moore that this should disqualify him from being elligible for the DCI, you are doing so based on your assumption that only an Arabic cultural background in the DCI will do us any good. I, and Congress, and a lot of the Democrats, disagree with your stupidity.

By the way, I think George Tenet has a strong Greek background. Sure helped us in our bitter war against Greece.

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8-18-04 8:57am (new)
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niteowl
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Sorry boorite, someone's gotta keep that dastardly Makk in line. ;)

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8-18-04 3:44pm (new)
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Spankling
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Paper trails to you... until we vote again.

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8-18-04 9:24pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Kerry plays up "wounds" for purple hearts, gets out of service in a style that would impress Clinger, and is awarded phony bronze star.

No wonder he threw them back*.

*Before he didn't throw them back**

**But he only threw the ribbons

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8-19-04 9:11am (new)
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niteowl
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Wink wink, nudge nudge...say no more.

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8-19-04 4:17pm (new)
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niteowl
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Also...

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8-19-04 4:21pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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You're doing my work for me.

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8-19-04 8:02pm (new)
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Spankling
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Wrong again mak
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6013926

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8-19-04 8:29pm (new)
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Spankling
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The Dick Cheney Advice Column

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8-19-04 8:30pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Hookers for the Kerry campaign? Yes please!

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8-20-04 7:23am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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It's ok when moveon.org, Michael Moore, and countless others peddle what is obvious smear against Bush, but something about the swift boat veterans has Kerry all tied up in knots.

Gosh that doesn't sound hypocritical at all.

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8-22-04 9:21pm (new)
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niteowl
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According to a report Friday in The New York Times and to Texans for Public Justice, Texas homebuilder Bob Perry is the principal contributor to the swift boat group, having donated $200,000. He has also donated tens of thousands of dollars to Bush's campaigns going back to when the president was running for governor of Texas.

Perry is also a longtime associate of Bush's top adviser, Karl Rove.


*cough cough* soft money *cough cough*

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8-23-04 3:18am (new)
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MikeyG
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Bush is attacking someone ELSE's military record?

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8-23-04 6:40am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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There's nothing wrong with serving in the reserves. Especially when you don't make claims that you stood by while your comrades cut off heads and ears of young boys, without reporting the atrocities. (Video proof here, .wmv file) The fact of the matter is Kerry either committed serious crimes by not reporting the "atrocities and war crimes" when he saw them, or he lied.

But Kerry should know what goes around comes around. And I didn't hear Bush standing up and whining when the media was all over one single missing document in regards to his service.

Anyway, all in all this is a great site. Sure it exposes horrible things about Kerry, but at least he served his full four months in Vietnam. ;)

*cough cough* move on dot org *cough cough*

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8-23-04 8:00am (new)
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andydougan
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That wasn't what he claimed personally to have witnessed, though, was it? He was just reporting what he'd heard - a caveat that film hardly makes clear.

8-23-04 5:47pm (new)
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Spankling
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Uni-brow!


The red marks are not mine, but why isn't the media asking where the hell did these props come from?
I mean if he was going to photoshop this thing to add a medal why not shave off some eyebrow?

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8-23-04 9:30pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Him quoting hearsay that is so damaging to the U.S. is better than lying? He testified to Congress about war crimes he only heard about? Why didn't they call up the witnesses of the "war crimes" he got his information from?

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8-24-04 12:21am (new)
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possums
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Now it appears that Bush is taking a stand against these swift boat ads... sort of.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/23/bush.kerry/index.html

I think it's funny that the headline is "Bush Urges Kerry to Condemn Attack Ads."

8-24-04 12:06pm (new)
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