I know a lot of people that loved the movie, because it reminded them of how much LOVE Christ must have had in order to go through such pain.

Fuck that. I know people that survived the Holocaust, lost everyone important to them, were tortured past sanity, and had to move to a country with nothing but the rags on their back. They didn't have a whole religion devoted to them, and now people say it didn't even HAPPEN.

Showing Christ being tortured makes Christians feel moved. It makes the rest of us roll our eyes. He's not the only man/woman who has gone through unimaginable pain for love. Honestly, let Mel and all his cronies feel great about themselves. If I want to know how strong a person can be, I'll talk to Vietnam veterans or my relatives who went through the Holocaust. I don't need to see some 2000 year old dude getting the shit beat out of him.

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I think he's a bit closer to 2040-something.

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I think I misread the movie title. Sorry.

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I know a lot of people that loved the movie, because it reminded them of how much LOVE Christ must have had in order to go through such pain.

Fuck that. I know people that survived the Holocaust, lost everyone important to them, were tortured past sanity, and had to move to a country with nothing but the rags on their back. They didn't have a whole religion devoted to them, and now people say it didn't even HAPPEN.

Showing Christ being tortured makes Christians feel moved. It makes the rest of us roll our eyes. He's not the only man/woman who has gone through unimaginable pain for love. Honestly, let Mel and all his cronies feel great about themselves. If I want to know how strong a person can be, I'll talk to Vietnam veterans or my relatives who went through the Holocaust. I don't need to see some 2000 year old dude getting the shit beat out of him.

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Then don't watch it.

I didn't "roll my eyes" when Shindler's List came out.

I don't see how people saying the Holocaust never happened relates to the movie.

Or are you saying Judiasm is the only important religion?

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What the hell is so enjoyable about watching in graphic detail as someone get the shit beat out of them?

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What the hell is so enjoyable about watching in graphic detail as someone get the shit beat out of them?

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Who said it was supposed to be "enjoyable?" I would think that if you didn't like the movie, you'd at least shut up about it and move on to something you did like. How could something that doesn't pertain to you make you feel like that unless it really DOES? Can't you just ignore it like you ignore everything else?

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What the hell is so enjoyable about watching in graphic detail as someone get the shit beat out of them?

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Who said it was supposed to be "enjoyable?" I would think that if you didn't like the movie, you'd at least shut up about it and move on to something you did like. How could something that doesn't pertain to you make you feel like that unless it really DOES? Can't you just ignore it like you ignore everything else?

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No, because it's the only thing people are talking about now.

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Dougan--I like the point you make. I've never considered that before.

I'm an athiest, but I'll go see this movie eventually. It won't change my life, but I'm sure I'll appreciate it for what it is and for what it represents.

Wow... I'm amazed that I never looked at it that way before.

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I'VE HAD QUITE ENOUGH OF YOUR BULLSHIT.

If you believe in that stuff you would read that after that he supposedly did go to hell before coming back.

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Dude, Buffy sent Angel to a hell dimension for 100 years and you don't see me worshipping Angel.

Okay, you do, but that's beside the point...

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Good point, Dougan. That's an inconsistency that was never really explained to us impressionable little Catholics. Perhaps he died for ORIGINAL SIN, which is yet another guilt-weilding propaganda crux that the church likes to lean on.

For any non-Christians or people who don't know, original sin is allegedly something you are born with. I am surmising it is something to do with the sins of the father visiting the son or whatever. As in the weight of the sins of your parents and ancestors follows you into the womb. Or maybe you're born a sinner because your parents had to make the nasty sex to conceive you.

Anyway, you must be baptized by the church to eliminate this original sin you are born with. Perhaps Jesus died so you can be forgiven for sins your elders committed when you're scarcely old enough to know what that fleshy nub on your hand is that tastes so damn good.

The point is, what does it say about a religion who believes that you are BORN guilty?

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I'm all for some kind of religion based around Angel. Although we'd probably end up with some kind of holy war versus the Spike fans.

I guess that's what I get for not signing on to SC on weekends... Lots of discussion to which I am extremely late!

A couple of things about this: #1 -- a movie with this much controversy can lead to riots and uprisings. By your own criterion, you think Passion should not have been released, even though you later go on to defend it? #2 -- I hate the word "obscenity", because different things are obscene to different people. Same with "artistic" and its derivatives. #3 -- Violent movies being marketed towards children: Here I can't agree with you saying a movie shouldn't be released. It's the marketing that should be taken to task. Just because you don't want your kids to see people being hacked to pieces by a guy in a hockey mask doesn't give you the right to tell me I can't see it.

I have to agree with this 100%. In fact, it applies to all movies.

The anti-semitism is coming from the fact that (or so I've heard) Gibson's version of events puts the blame for crucifying Christ squarely on the shoulders of a Jewish character. While it was the Romans who (or so I've heard) actually ordered Jesus killed, it was a Jewish character (or so I've heard) who convinced the Roman leader(s) to do so. What I'm not getting about these people screaming "anti-semitism" is that these were the events as Christians believe them. Christ Himself was reportedly a Jew. What the hell do you have to complain about? No one (that I know) has said "All Jews are Bad because this one caused my Lord to be crucified"... when in fact, they're all *glad*, because this particular event has allowed them to be Saved from themselves.

As for your comment about a Moses movie... I shouldn't even acknowledge it. Christians BELIEVE that Moses did the things the Old Testament says he did. The difference here is that those of the Jewish faith DO NOT BELIEVE that Christ is the Saviour.

Mikey was quoting a joke made by someone else. Yeesh.

If it seems I was specifically picking on you, Makk, because I responded to only your post, please know that this early post had the best things to reply to. The rest of the thread seems to be rehashing. (Including this post, I bet.)

I would, however, like to mention one other thing. Mel Gibson's father, no matter the comments he may or may not have made regarding the holocaust, has absolutely nothing to do with this movie. This was Mel's movie, and Mel's alone. Claiming this movie shouldn't have been made because his father said some naughty things is like saying that Drew Barrymore should automatically get an Oscar because of her legendary family. It doesn't work that way. Get a little perspective!

As for me, I am not Christian. I am not really anything, religious or otherwise. I believe in being good for goodness's sake (with or without Santa Claus coming to town). I don't intend to see Passion. It holds absolutely no interest for me.

I do not, however, intend to blast the film. Or those that will see and enjoy it. Christians are moved by the love of their Saviour. Non-Christians resent the existence of this film for whatever reason.

I simply don't care.

(Then why this overly long post about it?) Dunno. Go fig.

By the way, those were some really great comics -- especially the ones by kaufman and boinky. (Damn you, boinky. I keep wanting to hate you, and you go and make a funny strip.)

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If you believe in that stuff you would read that after that he supposedly did go to hell before coming back.

But man's punishment was to spend eternity in Hell. If Jesus doesn't do that, he hasn't suffered enough to redeem us.

interesting tidbit of useless info:

ROME, Georgia (AP) -- Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy.

The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers.

The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price.

"It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/01/offbeat.passion.ap/index.html

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The only "controversy" is over people not wanting it shown, and I argue this is not reason to stop it from being shown. If there is a problem it is a self-created problem. If bigots wanted to protest and stop a showing of "To Kill a Mockingbird" you wouldn't shut down the movie, that's ridiculous.

Passion has about as much chance of starting a riot as a Sunday morning church sermon. Get real. Just because people are biased against Christianity doesn't mean it shouldn't be shown.

Or are athiests going to take to the street burning down churches now?

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I don't get why anyone would find watching someone get the shit beat out of them for two hours entertaining. Just listening to the review on the radio made me sick.

Okay, Jesus suffered. Is anything gained by seeing it in graphic, gory detail? I won't even go into how concentrating on this one (albiet dramatic) part of the Jesus story, presented outside of the context of the story, Misses The Point Entirely(tm).

Mel Gibson is one sick bastard. That's what I think.

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I'd like to go to see the film just because so many self-righteous people are complaining about it. The only thing putting me off is that it looks a bit crap.

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I don't get why anyone would find watching someone get the shit beat out of them for two hours entertaining. Just listening to the review on the radio made me sick.

Okay, Jesus suffered. Is anything gained by seeing it in graphic, gory detail? I won't even go into how concentrating on this one (albiet dramatic) part of the Jesus story, presented outside of the context of the story, Misses The Point Entirely(tm).

Mel Gibson is one sick bastard. That's what I think.

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