Also, was that Anakin line "if you are not with me, you are my enemy" a Lucas-dig at George Bush?

He said he wrote the script long before Bush was even in office. I think it's just a coincidence.

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Yes. This was the problem I had. One kid in particular obviously had a bladder the size of a pea, since his father kept fireman's-lifting him out of the seat in front of me and taking him off to the toilets about every fifteen minutes. Thus, the scene of Anakin going into the Jedi temple to slice & dice the "younglings" did not fill me with the intended horror Lucas had in mind: it was actually mightily satisfying.

A question: is Anakin really Palpatine's son? In the Phantom Menace, it is made out that he has no father and that his mother just became pregnant, ala immaculate conception. But in Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine says that Darth Plagus had the power to create life by influencing mediclorians. Now, since we are led to believe that Palpatine is the apprentice who killed Plagus and inherited all his knowledge, is it an implict nod to the fact that Anakin was created by Palpatine?

Lucas: Umm, yeah, sure. That's exactly what I meant. Thanks for explaining it for me so eloquently. I totally came up with that idea.

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In response to a couple of points made earlier by whoever, I think Anakin turning to the dark-side so quickly is necessary. In Return of the Jedi, the Emperor is trying to turn Luke to the dark-side, the real tension has to be that Luke could be turned at any moment unless he controls himself. It's not like that cunt-of-a-movie A Clockwork Orange where the main character has to be subjected to hours of torture to have himself brain-washed. The whole point is that unless a Jedi control his positive emotions, he'll be consumed by the negative.

Darth Vader screaming "Noooooo" didn't sit right with me immediately, but bare in mind that he is still the Emperor's apprentice, he's not totally dark yet, it'll take another 20 years for him to be honed in his evilness (although, in the end, it turns out that still isn't enough).

You can't say "I thought Anakin turned too quickly, but I also wanted him to be pure evil the second his helmet was screwed on".

I agree with Scyess' point about the movie ending too close to the start of A New Hope. If all that happens in 20 years is they finally build the Death Star, they really need to look at getting better independent contractors (do you think the average Storm Trooper knows how to install a toilet?).

The fact that all the characters tie in somehow was annoying in places, although I did enjoy the fact that only C-3PO had his mind erased, the idea that R2-D2 is the only one in the last three films who knows exactly what's going on amuses me.

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Probably.

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I thought the "NOOOOOOO" was pretty cliche. He could have just screamed "AHHHHHHHH" or something. But I got and enjoyed seeing Darth Vader before he was pure evil. Seeing him as just a confused, dopey kid in a suit worked for me and I think drives home just what a shitty tortured 20 years he then has until Luke comes along, even if he is the ultimate badass in the universe. The Frankenstein stuff was laid on a little too thick for my liking.

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Actually, I agree with all of what you said, allen. I also agree with Brad that just screaming AAHHHH would've been better, or maybe just silently falling to his knees... although I'm sure the actor can't do much of that in that costume.

And speaking of Frankenstien... how come Palpatine's medical pod didn't seem to have any anesthetic for Anakin as they were working on him? Are they just so evil they woudln't give him any?

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For a few hours after seeing it I kept on repeating to my ladyfriend, "Love will not save you. Only my new powers can do that now."

She hates me more because of this.

Best scenes in the movie:

r2d2 fight scene

padawan learner: "what shall we do, master skywalker?"
skywalker's lightsaber: "Brrrrrrzzzzzz."

palpatine's drooling, creepy-grandpa knighting of anakin as "darth... hmmm... lessee... eh, vader."

And I was very satisfied with that last, double-blue lightsaber fight. That was this new trilogy's raison d'être, and lucas did that thing that good storyteller's do by anticipating what the audience knows must happen, what they want to happen, and what they hope doesn't happen and delivering it in an unexpected way.

(And if you review this new trilogy, despite everything else, look at how well obiwan is handled. A real, convincing, empathetic character and he earned his emotional lines at the end there. If lucas had screwed up obiwan, he would have failed. But obiwan was great, better than ever, so teh scr0e for them.)

(Also, as I was watching it, had the same thought about the "Nooo" being replaced with an "Ahh". I'm surprised they didn't use the good taste shown by The Two Towers when Aragon drops at that burning pile of urakai corpses. Now, if anyone were to truly drop to their knees and raise their fists to heavens in the depths of soul-crushing defeat, then that's how they'd do it.
Maybe for the DvD they can just drop the first syllable off the track. A big bellowing "Ooooooooh".)

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Obi Wan was definitely the best character of the prequel trilogy. I'd say the emperor is a close second, and that probably all has to do with their talent as actors and nothing to do with George Lucas.

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Obi-Wan was the real chosen one, not Luke or Anakin. Luke didn't actually kill anyone important. Anakin did end up killing the Emperor but also slaughtered a whole bunch of kids, blew up planets and killed his own men.

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My favorite scene: Right after Obi-Wan was dumped down into that lake, the scene where he was escaping, his hair was perfectly dried and combed, as was his clothing.

Did he have time to blow dry, style and change clothing between scenes?

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My favorite scene: Right after Obi-Wan was dumped down into that lake, the scene where he was escaping, his hair was perfectly dried and combed, as was his clothing.

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My thoughts:

1. It was way too rushed.

2. If the Jedis had told me that I should just let go of everyone I loved and be happy when they died because they'd be "rejoining the Force" I'd be damned tempted by the dark side too. Let's see, give up on the people I love and don't try to save them or wear black leather? No contest.

3. I don't remember a single thing from Episode 2 and had to keep asking my brother things. "When did he lose his arm?" "Episode 2." "When did they get married?" "Episode 2" "When Star Wars start sucking worse than Death Becomes Her?" "Episode 1."

4. The guy that was camped out in front of the theater since May 11 just so he could get the "very first star wars ticket" obviously isn't aware other time zones exist.

5. Nerds who spend a week camped out in front of a theater just to go to the first showing don't realize they are not the first, since the theater employees screened it the day before. Slipping one of them a C-note won't work.

6. Nerds have no concept of personal hygiene. Obviously camping out for a week in front of a theater does not help a person's aroma. Sure, I once spent a week traipsing around the Badlands, but I had an excuse for the way I stunk. There was no water that could be spared for such luxuries. At all.

7. Dubuque has an apallingly high number of nerds for a small city. And the only employed ones work at Best Buy. If I wanted to know more about the godamned iPod, I'll ask you, jackass!

8. Mocking nerds is my new favorite pastime. Especially when I can beat them up (and will if one more sticks his goddamned light sabre in my face!).

9. No matter how many goddamn times I told my mom and brother I would not go to a movie opening night, they guilted me into going anyway. I learned my lesson about opening night movies after The Lost World and thought they had learned after Episode 2. I was wrong. Sadly wrong.

10. I am so glad it's over with.

11. And finally, the most important: It's just a movie. Or, a movie with 2 decent sequels and 3 mediocre prequels. Get over it, move out of mom's basement, and get a life.

God I hate those people.

P.S. I hate those people that go "Dude! I SO knew they were going to do that/die/etc."

Of course you did! It's a fucking PREquel!

Morons.

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That's a Jedi trick.

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I think it was really more a cheesy action flick stereotype.

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Well THAt makes him the chosen one in my book. hell, killing women, children and old men is a line of action suported by almost every major prophet.

I too thought that the damn-my-fate "Noooooo" was unnecessary.Not to mention the horrible horrible horrible dialog , expecially between Padme and Anakin ("i love you!" "no, I love you more!" But the first time that trademark Vader voice reply's "Yes, Master", that moment alone was worth all the previous garbage.

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Anakin does bring balance to the force. You see, Yoda and Obi Wan are so good with the lighter side of the force that it takes killing off the younglings and all the other Jedi to put them in balance with the evil of Anakin and Palpatine.

But Yoda and Obi Wan exile themselves, so instead of sticking around to keep things balanced, the Dark Side reigns supreme until Luke starts his training.

If Yoda and Anakin had sayed active and had given one of the babies and given the other to Palpatine then the dark and ligher sides would stay in balance. ("Here you take Luke, he's going to be really powerful with the force. We'll take Leia, she's going to look really powerful in a metal bikini.")

Side note: One piece of subtle continuity I enjoyed was the Alderaan ship (which we first see at the beginning of Episode IV), complete with bright-white curvy 70's walls.

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Surely he could have changed dialogue. I think it was a Bush bash, only because in a pretty nearby previous scene, good guy Obi Wan says to Padme: "He was deceived by a lie. We've all been misled," or somesuch. It was something very Kerry-esque. Many parts of this movie seemed quite applicable to present-day politics. I dug that.

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Well, not even twenty - the closing scenes with Vader and Palpatine on the bridge of a Star Destroyer look particularly 'we put this together out of old airfix modelling kits' 70s kitsch, complete with those obnoxious Brits, as Spankling pointed out. Also, just how long does it take to build a Death Star? At the close of III we see the basic skeletal structure in place, and then twenty years on they're still putting in the final touches before toasting Alderaan. Yet, when that one gets blown up like a bad wamp rat, it takes the Empire only three years to knock up a half decent semi-finished new one...

I'd guess the first one was done slowly with lots of care taken to make sure everything was just right. The second one was meant to just blow shit up and not worry if it worked right.

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My guess is that under the Empire things basically degenerate. Beauty, creativity, and art all suffer under the inescapable guiding hand of the State. The state requires cold grey functionality and uniformity, so we have clone stormtroopers and TIE fighters. So those sleek chrome missile ships stop being produced. They stop painting red stripes on the star destroyers, and stop coming up with new designs (except maybe Darth's mega-huge Needle from Empire, which is deritvative of the star destroyers). In fact, the manufacturing of ships is probably totally handled by the State, hence why the rebels can only get their hands on the old shit. All extra resources are devoted to building these two Death Stars (one was started a few years after the other and was really really really secret).

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Lets face it Lucas isnt really known for his oscar winning dialogue, the original trilogy are full of shoddy lines that were they not delivered by quality actors of the films would have been woeful to say the least. Thats why people are saying Hayden in this film wasnt very good, if you cant deliver crap lines in style what chance do you have of delivering a1 material.

Overall though I liked Episode III, I certainly enjoyed it a lot more than Phantom Menace or Clone Wars,

He's certainly dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's, however it still didnt answer the question of what DID happen to all those independant contractors working on the second death star...

I hereby label this the Geekiest Active Thread on Stripcreator.

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