That actually got a li'l chuckle out of me. Which is amusing, because its usually jujubes I keep in me. You elicited a chuckle, which I didn't even know I had shoved up there. Learn somethin' every day.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I was always under the impression that propaganda was putting a spin on facts, or lying about something to gain favor in a disagreement.
Oh well.

This is what I found: The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

The propagation, I see fully when it comes to personal diatribes. The systematic, I fail to see. Pehaps I'm missing it, but here's what I found on "Systematic":
-Of, characterized by, based on, or constituting a system.
-Carried on using step-by-step procedures.
-Purposefully regular; methodical. See Synonyms at orderly.
-Of or relating to classification or taxonomy.

I presume that in this case, the second and third definitions are best used.

Yes, a personal argument can be very systematic, according to def. 2, but not all personal arguments are. The same can really go for def. 3. The only regularity in the arguments is the uniformity of one's opinion. Other than that, I can see no "systematic" pattern to most of the arguments on here, save for the ones that nitpick someone else's post. That's systematic. Also: Stupid.

In any case, I'm not saying that sharing your political views, even arguing them vehemently is not propaganda, I just think that propaganda is a poor term to use when describing a political debate here. "But hey, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong."

Oh, yeah, if you want to check out the definitions I gave, hop on over to dictionary.com. I believe that they get their definitions from the latest Webster's dictionary. I trust that dictionary with any term papers I will do. Oh, yeah, I'm outta this topic. I've gotten a little tired of it, so, this will probably be my last post, but I'll possibly read any responses.

Stupid democrats.

Stupid republicans.

Stupid politicians.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

I don't know if this has been posted before, if so it deserves to be watched again. Especially by you, MaKK.

Liberation.

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Nice propaganda.

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Oh yeah, here's some more "propaganda" for you MaKK...a website from where a quote in that Flash film came from.

"The Iraqis are sick people and we are the chemotherapy."

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I think that says more about the human element making up the military then about the war itself. I'm sure a lot of people would get frustrated and say horrible things in a war. I doubt all military soldiers enter the military oblivious to human suffering.

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Evil bad stupid propaganda.

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Actually, the definitions of PROPAGANDA, which I myself posted quite a few days back, were taken specifically from dictionary.com.

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From "Idiots"

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Just saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
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You're totally right about that. What makes you wrong is when you make false assertions. We generally just remark on it. The remarks don't cause you to be wrong. Rather, your being wrong prompts us to remark on it.

I'm wrong sometimes too, so go get me, tiger.

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Again you point to my use of a word -which yes, you could chose a few different words in its place, we have a very rich language- instead of the actual statement I make. And you talk about changing the subject?
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You bring up an excellent point. When you call Washington's anti-democratic policies a "paradox," is it just nitpicking to say: No, I don't see a paradox? I don't think so. I think it is crucial. Because what "paradox" connotes is an apparent contradiction that nonetheless has some truth in it. I'm saying the contradiction is fatal! That's the opposite of what you're saying. It is not changing the subject. It is looking at what you've said! What are you talking about when you say there's an "actual statement [you] make," as opposed to the actual words you use? The words are the content-- unless youre positing some ethereal realm where the true meanings of your bullshit statements reside.

That's what I mean by "clusterfuck." These statements are too much of a mess to sort, much less rebut.

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I've done my best to parse and address every single thing you've said, including things I actually agree with. A couple of times, I've handed you your ass in a Ziploc freezer bag with the date written on it. So I'm not sure what more I could do.

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Taking SC's temperature, it doesn't seem that way.

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...I don't feel wrong.

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Yes, that's exactly what I said!

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It actually is fun to me. People can walk up and ask you anything, and you have to find a source for it. To me, that's just about the coolest job ever.

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Here's my paradox argument boorite won't address other than to say it is wrong:

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I think that might argument in the DSMP thread that the U.S. has to do what is right for it to maintain a better world demonstrates my authoritarian outlook. Another example could be that I think the democatic nations of the earth should have more power and say-so than all of the other nations put together.

I don't think that is being duplicitous. I think it's a paradox, in that it seems that I cannot both be for an open democracy at home but a hegemony abroad, but our democracy at home would not be secured without this hegemony. This could be analagous to being for pro-worker in an industrial society, and it seeming wrong to also be interested in the rights of the corporations also. You might fight the industries when they want to keep wages and benefits low, but your ultimate goal in the fight is not to destroy the industries, for without the industries there is no work. Yes, we have an authoritarian, elitist hegemony abroad but without it we would not have a secure democracy.

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The FBI is watching you terror-loving monkeys, and with good cause.

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Nice propaganda.

Answer this MaKK...does everyone who doesn't support the war fall under that "terror-loving monkey" title?

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No you might also have a brain disability.

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CNN - what a compromised source. I get shit from there all the time.

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See?

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Told yu! Nanner nanner nanner na!

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Spankling, I-

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Here's my paradox argument boorite won't address other than to say it is wrong:

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I think that might argument in the DSMP thread that the U.S. has to do what is right for it to maintain a better world demonstrates my authoritarian outlook. Another example could be that I think the democatic nations of the earth should have more power and say-so than all of the other nations put together.

I don't think that is being duplicitous. I think it's a paradox, in that it seems that I cannot both be for an open democracy at home but a hegemony abroad, but our democracy at home would not be secured without this hegemony...(snip)

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What's wrong about it (other than you having a problem with authoritarian rule)?

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Also, Makk: You seriously claim your errors were just typos? Fine, I'll catalog them for you. I can think of a couple whoppers right off the top of my head: That anyone was ever worried about Saddam Hussein getting hold of Playstations; and that there's nothing in our Constitution about any World Court or United Nations. Now, it's one thing to be wrong, and to say, oops, my bad. But you never say that. You just fault the other side for nitpicking and plow on ahead as if you didn't just completely blow it. Bad form.

Also, you keep dropping hints that I'm Mikey, which you know isn't true. Is that a typo? Or is it a paradox that you have to lie in order to tell the truth?

And lest we forget, you're basically repudiating everything democracy stands for by saying we should exert some kind of authoritarian hegemony over the rest of the world, and you're calling that democracy! Is that a typo? I don't think so. I think it's a fundamental mistake.

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What others say about boorite!

CNN is most DEFINITELY compromised. Have you ever listened to Aaron Brown? Christiane Amanpour, a widely respected journalist, a correspondent for CNN, and a reporter who covered a lot of Gulf War II (IN IRAQ), has said that the station has cnesored its material to placate the Bush Administration. To see the surface of what goes on, CNN is just fine. We have to dig deeper than that. Don't believe me?
Look here

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

BTW - it wasn't a paradox, it was a catch 22

Exactly.

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What others say about boorite!

By the way, a lot of pro-bushite, warmongers, and Republicans have said that all this dissent is basically a Democrat conspiracy. Not all Democrats are corrupt, but a hell of a lot of Democratic politicians have been exposed as corrupt. There are extreme problems on both sides of the partisan fence, and just putting a Democrat in the office guarantees nothing. Kerry is no good, people. He went through the Skulls same as Georgie Bush did, and Dean is a little less than forthcoming. Kucinich or Clarke is the best way to go!

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I included all of the democracies in the hegemony. I think we should have more influence over international affairs because democracies are more just governments than theocracies and dictatorships. I don't really see how you have addressed this other than typing so much and bringing up an out-of-context point about typos that maybe you hope to lose my point in the confusion.

It might seem unjust to not give theocracies and dictatorships as fair a shake that we give democracies, but if those governments are not mostly representative of their people their is nothing undemocratic about showing them disfavor and using force to coerce them. It's not a "you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't" catch-22, I don't know what you are talking about.

Of course we are going to become more of a target by trying to exert democratic ideas on governments whose power is dependent on a lack of democratic safe-guards and rights.

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What exactly is a democracy? Is, say, Iran one?