Did you ever feel like you weren't yourself sometimes? That you were someone who never met the other you? I'm feeling...boorish.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

NOW YOU'RE DOING IT TOO! It's almost as if you really are me.

AGH now I'm doing it.

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What others say about boorite!

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OK, Makk, in the immediately preceding message, you were replying to MikeyG. In the middle of a sentence addressed to him, you said, "i.e. you boorite." Do you know what "i.e." means? Also, you've said it and implied it in a number of other places. You know what you're doing.

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So if you beat the hell out of your wife and she doesn't press charges, does that mean you didn't do anything wrong?

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Well, it seems that any other course of action would have resulted in the continuation of Saddam's regime. It takes a pretty big good to outweigh that evil.

You might like to suggest some we haven't. Coups and sanctions have been tried, but Saddam's internal omnipotence and indifference to his country's economic ruin kind of buggered them.

Have done. I can't find any US-installed villains whose crimes compare with this guy's.

Or rather, we should be weighing them against the human cost of allowing neo-Nazis the power of life and death over twenty million people. But that doesn't seem to bother people as much as the fact that the American president is a rich kid who sounds sanctimonious on television. I remember reading a quote from some PUK leader who said that Iraq under Saddam was already in a state of war.

So if North Korea bombs Seoul and excuses it by saying America did the same to Iraq, the international community will just stand aside and let them get on with it? I doubt this. Why would the US's lawless behaviour make it more acceptable for other states to follow suit?

Nice metaphor.

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We should be talking about the likelihood that our overturning of the world order will invite violent resistance, and will invite other lawless countries to go on their own adventures, using justifications like ours.

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So if North Korea bombs Seoul and excuses it by saying America did the same to Iraq, the international community will just stand aside and let them get on with it? I doubt this. Why would the US's lawless behaviour make it more acceptable for other states to follow suit?

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That's a pretty safe bet, Nate. It's the right or wrong thing that matters. And down deep we all know being a bully is wrong.

Has the self-centered bully ever played the hero in the movies? When we idealize do we say, "gosh that big thug sure stomped that little fuck! Good for him!" No. We cheer when the little fuck gets up and settles the score.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

Who's wife did we beat that didn't press charges? I don't understand your metaphor. Childish over-simplification of international politics leads to childish statements.

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Very simple. You are trying to classify the U.S.' military actions as right because we have not been not been charged with anything formally. It's the same as if someone eviscerates a dog and the neighbors are too scared to tell anyone. You've got to be kicked in the head not to get that allegory.

Yup. Like everything you post here. Oversimplified nonsense buried in shifty, dodgy principles and fluctuating rhetoric. Bedtime, bonzo.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

Are you saying Bush committed domestic battery? I don't understand. What is the crime you are equating that with in the metaphor? Or in the dog-mutiliating metaphor?

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You're kidding, right, makk?

I recall your using the word "evidence," but ok. I suppose we could look for a pattern of behavior where Iraq has been attacking the US or its allies covertly, and use that as cause for suspicion.

....hm, there is no such pattern. Only an invasion of a neighbor 12 years ago. Plus a previous war with another neighbor, in which we backed Iraq.

If you want to look at a pattern of behavior, how about this: Saddam had 12 years from Desert Shield to December 2002 to launch a terror attack against us. He never did. Not even when his regime faced certain destruction at our hands. Monster though he certainly is, he doesn't seem bent on terror attacks against the US.

There's your pattern.

That Saddam could have is not a flimsy notion. I said it's a flimsy pretext for invading a country. Because you could say the same of practically any country. Hell, Luxembourg could launch or help fund a terror attack against us. And they have the same "pattern" of doing so as Iraq (though admittedly not the same motive).

But that's the idea of the US's new doctrine: We can invade anyone, anytime, on any pretext. That's not an over-interpretation-- I think that's pretty much the policy, straight out.

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And I have explained our democracy is subverted if it is not safe.

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You recall? It's all saved in the SC database.

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I suppose we could look for a pattern of behavior where Iraq has been attacking the US or its allies covertly, and use that as cause for suspicion.

....hm, there is no such pattern. Only an invasion of a neighbor 12 years ago. Plus a previous war with another neighbor, in which we backed Iraq.

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If you really don't understand the metaphor and aren't just playing dumb...sorry but you are clearly beyond help, makk.

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The economy isn't as recovering as much as you think.

Here's some snippets from this article :

Notice the words in bold.

Merry Christmas!

Ouch. I won't bring up the 2 million jobs lost since Bush got in office. That should be common knowledge by now, right?

My sentiments exactly. There's issues here in this country that need to be fixed now. Like the fact that we are facing a record national debt in the trillions within the next 10 years. That programs are being cut left and right. Education. Environment. Health Care. Things that affect YOU. Plus, as Spankling alluded to earlier, even the soldiers in Iraq aren't exempt to this wishy-washy bullshit either, as their pay and benefits are getting cut too. Quite a reward for soldiers who get shot at on a daily basis while serving their country.

Instead, we spend billions upon billions to go invade and occupy Iraq...THEN, after his cute little "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists" speech (and alienating virtually the entire world), Bush has the audacity to go around from country to country asking for help in the reconstruction.

I shudder when I think of what kind of shape this country will be in when my kids are in their 20's and 30's.

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First votes in Florida and now this.

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The headline for that article should read : Economy growing at fastest clip in last 20 years.

Sure it's growing, but it's sort of misleading...it's a recovery after 3 pretty lean years. It's good to be optimistic, but we're not out of the woods yet, especially with the value of the US dollar dropping.

With so many jobs lost during Bush's reign, of course productivity will increase. People are doing more at their jobs, and working longer hours to make up for the loss of jobs.

Part of this could have something to do with the holidays, as businesses are (and have been) hiring extra people for the Xmas shopping season.

Good. Hope it happens. (see...I don't everything as a negative.)

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Halliburton May Have Overcharged Millions

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Correct. That's how I recall that you used the word "evidence."

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The problem with your argument is that one covert attack against America could be catastrophic. You need to identify a potential attacker of the United States, not someone who is already attacking us. I still say Saddam fit the bill for this.

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Bush's Iraq a Magnet for Terrorists - Saudi Envoy (Reuters)

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In case it's not clear, I posted the above link apropos my comment: "I think it's pretty clear that the current war does not secure our life and liberty but places us at increased and unnecessary risk."

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This is why I don't really understand the extraordinary opposition to this one in particular. I think it's important not to get into the trap of opposing absolutely everything America, or a Republican administration, does abroad. The US seems a lot better behaved now internationally than it did during the Cold War. A lot of the stuff they did in Central America in the 80s was virtual genocide, but it only met with a fraction of the opposition (I think the Sandanistas were trendy for fifteen minutes) that has greeted an invasion that, whatever else you think of it, will at least destroy a tyranny rather than undermine a democracy.

This is probably true, but it's not much of an increase. The Islamic world already hated America about as much as it could, so I doubt it's made much difference. A tiny increase in risk for one people is a small price to pay to free another people from a far greater danger.

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You might like to suggest some we haven't. Coups and sanctions have been tried, but Saddam's internal omnipotence and indifference to his country's economic ruin kind of buggered them.

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You might like to suggest some we haven't. Coups and sanctions have been tried, but Saddam's internal omnipotence and indifference to his country's economic ruin kind of buggered them.

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Actually, Washington showed zero interest in backing coup attempts when approached by rogue generals close to Saddam, so that is something we could have tried.

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