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ivytheplant
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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Yes, it's only a partial solution. But I still think it's not a solution that can curtail the problem we already have, regardless of whether or not it's holding legitimate multiple account households hostage. Right now, people can make multiple donor accounts with a throwaway yahoo email address and some money. They start voting things crazily and these things we have in place called "moderators" will notice. Which they do and will tell you. Sure, it might take a bit to notice it, but if the mods don't, then upstanding donors like RedfeatheR and others will. Then the problem is taken care of.

With IP restrictions, the problem is still there. All but the laziest scammers will just go to the library, school, work, cafe, etc and do the exact same thing they were doing before. And the solution? Wait til a mod or someone else notices.

Police officers will tell you over and over that people will always find a way to break the law. They don't care about the law, so why would they follow it? If there's an easy way around it, why will they do the right thing? IP restrictions aren't going to make it any harder for these people. They'll do it and they won't care.

I've been to game websites and forums where IP restrictions were in place. They were more of a hinderance to the people who were just there to enjoy the site than the people who broke the rules. In some cases, people actually broke the rules just so they could use the site as a normal person. I'm not going to say it will happen here, but there's a few things to consider.

1. How will you decide what IP is the "correct" one?
2. What makes one user in a "household" more valid to vote than others?
3. How will you get around people having multiple access points with multiple IPs?
4. How are you going to deal with people who use large networks? (corporations, campuses, etc)
5. Is it worth the headaches to not stop the people who are still going to abuse the system anyway?

There is a solution, even a partial one to this. I don't know what it is, but I know what won't work. Simply put, IP restrictions will not stop the people causing the problems.

But there's another solution, a total solution, that will solve the whole problem:

Get rid of the rating system.

8-17-07 1:34am (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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ivytheplantivy debates at such a level that she needs to assign personal motivations to me to make a point she can't on her own. there was nothing personal about this for me till about 20 minutes ago when she acted like an 8-year-old in an aim conversation. that would be the conversation where she had spots of typing in all caps and exclamations and then telling me i was the one taking it personal. i told her it wasn't personal to me and amidst all the all-caps exclamations told her she might be projecting a little. at which point she told me "no, you're projecting" not unlike a 3rd grader who just got called ugly saying "no, you're ugly"

of course she's probably happy since the subject is now on her as anyone who reads her posts in these forums will already have known

oops, now that was a little personal.

ivytheplanthere's our PM messages for our personal i was taking it. i only wish i'd saved the aim log where she blew up. if she has it, hopefully she'll post it to show how crazy personal i was with my "i hope you're not feeling attacked" and "this really isn't a personal issue to me. it just puts me in a pickle debating whether one-vote-per-IP would stop cheating with someone who's admitted cheating to me but seemingly misrepresents herself with sentences like "I'm all for stopping cheating anyway we can." i won't even go into the fact that at the time she said something like "i'm using multiple accounts to boost my score" and that boorite's account never came into it.

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to ivytheplant from mandingo:

please don't think i'm attacking you, but you put me in a pickle when you argue against having one vote per IP since you're one of the people who told me you use multiple accounts to boost your scores. i don't want to say "yes, but you're one of the ones boosting your scores" but at the same time it's hard debating whether one vote per IP would reduce cheating with someone i know who has but is representing she hasn't

From mandingo :: 08-17-07 12:59am

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to mandingo from ivytheplant:

I used boorite's to vote on my comics, after asking if it was okay and him saying "sure, I was going to do it but I'm too lazy" and again on Ranger77's when I realized he had not a single comic on toprated (again with boorite's permission). My other donor accounts haven't been able to vote since I created them.

From ivytheplant :: 08-17-07 01:09am

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to mandingo from ivytheplant:

I meant to add that my donor accounts haven't been able to vote since the very beginning because brad knew they were my accounts since I told him outright.

Besides, we don't have a static IP and a one user per IP would be useless anyway.

From ivytheplant :: 08-17-07 01:12am

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to ivytheplant from mandingo:

even if you were only using boorite's account to vote more than once it's still cheating. you're getting two votes. i'm getting one. it would be like me saying twi's only voted on maybe 10 comics ever (if that, in reality) and then using her account to go through and vote all my comics good

if you don't think it is though, maybe we can bring it up in the discussion. that isn't a threat of course. i haven't and have no intention of telling anybody without your consent. however it would seem odd if you're telling me it isn't score boosting but then don't want it revealed to anyone. my point being, i think part of you recognizes it is
From mandingo :: 08-17-07 01:32am

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to ivytheplant from mandingo:

you need to address that for me since you're continuing to make big posts on the subject before we've worked out the issue of you putting me in a pickle by continuing to misrepresent yourself by saying things like "I'm all for making it harder for people to cheat." when you've in fact cheated. if you believe you haven't, allow me to bring it up in the discussion since it's disingenuous to ignore the fact
From mandingo :: 08-17-07 01:52am

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any responses to this drama should probably go in fights go here or red shoe diaries

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8-17-07 1:52am (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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ivytheplanti'd be fine with this. or with one-vote-per-IP. or with doing absolutely nothing and keeping everything like it is. this whole debate is over something about as important as deciding to delete russ_talk from kofightclub for chrissakes

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8-17-07 1:58am (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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which we totally should by the way, that talkative teethy fuck

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8-17-07 2:03am (new)
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ivytheplant
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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Very classy.

You asked for my consent to post that. I did not give my consent.

You made it personal when you PM'd me after my first post on IP restrictions telling me that I put you in an "awkward position." You continued to make it personal when you accused me of lying. Repeatedly accused me of lying. I repeatedly said this was not personal. I repeatedly tried to get the subject back on track. You keep derailing it to focus on whatever I've done to you. I don't understand your need to see a sinister motivation in everything.

As to my "8-year old" actions, let me tell you something. When you say something to upset a friend, you do not get to wonder why your friend is upset with you. When you tell me that I blatantly lied to everyone about using boo's account when I had not lied (in fact, I told a lot of people, which is the opposite), then you do not get to wonder why I'm suddenly saying "fuckshitcuntmotherfucker."

I'm beginning to understand some things about the ObiJo years.

No, this shit does not belong here. A mod needs to delete it.

8-17-07 2:19am (new)
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RedfeatheR
Part of it all, just like you.

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I think that's QUITE enough from both of you. No more of this shit in this forum at least. I don't care if I've been here less time or whatever argument either of you could think to make, what's right is right, and I'm right in saying that this shit is inappropriate and won't stand.

This stops now.

 

-- red

8-17-07 3:14am (new)
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HCRoyall
100mg Thorazine, Please

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Ye gods, BOTH of you shut up, please.  Or take it somewhere else.

It doesn't matter what ypu do to the rating system, because someone, somewhere, will find a way around it; then they'll be found out and vigilante voting justice will restore the balance.  Everything is inherently flawed.

You are both arguing about something that really has no relevance when everything is said and done.  Please drop it or take it somewhere else.  Or at least argue about something important, like how many licks of a Chinese-made toy makes the brain damage permanent.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

8-17-07 3:16am (new)
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HCRoyall
100mg Thorazine, Please

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It seems Red beat me to the punch.  Still...

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

8-17-07 3:17am (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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ivytheplantand i'm beginning to understand about 10 other people including squidrabies.

sorry for the off-topic drama. that'll be the last i'll say in this thread

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8-17-07 3:38am (new)
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crackpanther
Recreational User

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You came to Florida?

8-17-07 4:52am (new)
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lildeucecoup
Member - Tobor Fan Club

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Ivy getting into a fight with another SC'er? She's gonna get a reputation soon.

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You don't know what I got... .

8-17-07 6:44am (new)
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FinnNYC
germs

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Oh boy! I sense another Boorite/Ivy "I quit SC forever" rant! I'm on the edge of my keyboard.

 

Can we ask brad to make a whole thread category just for this stuff?

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-=- You eat one lousy foot and they call you a cannibal. What a world. -=-

8-17-07 6:54am (new)
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BigFrank105
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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Or the whole site can not get in a huge argument over something petty like this. Yes, the rating system, like a couple of other things are flawed in their own ways making them far from perfect, but they've worked so far. When it comes to donating and voting, we've just used the honor system and haven't had too many problems with it. Some donors here have two or more donor accounts, and we've just easily trusted them to not break the rules. If someone actually wants to donate money to this site twice just to make two voting accounts so he can kick up the votes on his own comics and rating because oh wow, two votes makes a huge difference. We find the guy doing it and either ask him to stop or ban him. He's really not the winner if he goes through all that shit just so his rating can go up on an internet site. Hell, if anything Brad gets more money out of it just because the guy went through the trouble of donating twice. And if someone really wants to go through all the trouble of, say, going to a coffee shop or internet cafe everytime he wants to vote under a different account then let him. Nothing we can physically do about it. Like I said, the only thing we can do is trust the site's users and ban anyone who breaks the rules.

8-17-07 7:56am (new)
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The_young_scot
Makes out like a Lesbian

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I have an erection

 

That is all.

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8-17-07 8:25am (new)
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100Faces
Face it!

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Guess BigFrank is right. You see, I did double-voting but it was just a few weeks until I was found out and all my votings were deleted. So I guess the system works pretty well. What I'd like to add is that I think people should generally vote more. I mean it's nice getting feedback even if you just get many okays. I don't know how many people actually read a new strip, but if they all voted, double-voting or down-voting wouldn't make that much difference.

 

Best wishes, 100Faces

8-17-07 9:45am (new)
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ivytheplant
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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I think 100Faces is right and the current system works fine. I don't think IP restrictions will work. I said this needs to end and a mod needs to delete this shit now. I've been trying to shut the derail down since the beginning. Crabby, go fuck yourself. No, boorite and I aren't leaving stripcreator. When did boorite post in this anyway? This whole thing is stupid and about something stupid that doesn't even matter. I freely admit that. It's not even about the IP restrictions. It ceased being that a while ago. Yes, it needs to end.

Carry on.

8-17-07 10:19am (new)
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The_young_scot
Makes out like a Lesbian

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I may have just formed a band today, awesome times people. I shall keep you all posted, even if you don't want to know

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8-17-07 10:25am (new)
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cock
of the walk

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I'm going to be disappointed if your avatar isn't the lead guitarist.

8-17-07 10:39am (new)
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The_young_scot
Makes out like a Lesbian

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God how I wish that were possible

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8-17-07 11:15am (new)
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HCRoyall
100mg Thorazine, Please

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He should be the cover art for your first album.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

8-17-07 12:07pm (new)
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HCRoyall
100mg Thorazine, Please

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This is my announcement:

#1000 Comic meets in-joke by HCRoyall
8-17-07
Two and a half years, and I finally hit the big benchmark of 1000 comics.
It's a strange feeling, but I think I can describe it. it kind of feels like

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

8-17-07 12:28pm (new)
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UnknownEric
and the Goblet of Mountain Dew.

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The_young_scot

I wish I could form a band, cause I'm getting tired of playing with myself.

Wait, that didn't come out right...

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I has a flavor!

8-17-07 12:31pm (new)
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christopher7murphy
underestimated the power of cheese

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Bad-Dump-Bump!

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8-17-07 12:39pm (new)
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mandingo
weak stream

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HCRoyalllool. congratulations. when i hit 1000, i'm going to do something similar but with the two DragonXero characters in bed together, each saying "Malkovich, Malkovich"

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8-17-07 12:41pm (new)
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cock
of the walk

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I finally got my brine shrimpery in the mail today. Now I can grow thousands of amazing creatures and feed them to something higher up on the food chain, while laughing maniacally at the death and destruction.

8-17-07 12:57pm (new)
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