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kaufman
Director of Cats

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Because some deficit-conscious pols are now slashing programs that provided aid to the states. Transportation programs and the like.

Though I suppose some of this falls under taxcuts gratia taxcutis.

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6-08-04 11:00am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Deciding to reduce funding to states and the size of our deficit are not directly connected. We've also increased spending elsewhere (despite the deficit).

Likewise we could raise taxes but also cut programs and funding.

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6-08-04 12:58pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Up is down.

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6-08-04 5:48pm (new)
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possums
FERN DESTROYER

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I didn't want to have to do this.

Greg Liu: King of Comedy
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HOWDY KIDS! Let's say some letters! A, B, Q, X. Ping! Woo! (Yes, sir!) How are we today kids? That's good, but it seems not everyone out there in tv-land is too happy with my "cats are the new monkeys" statement. Just look at this guy!

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Dear Mr.Liu,

Your assumption that "cats are the new monkeys" rings about as true as poop is the new pee, or red is the new black. Monkeys will always be a mirror in which we see ourselves. Haven't we always wanted to pick flies off our friend's back or fling poop at anyone we please? End of story. Case closed. Cats suck.

You like humor, don't you, Greg? Here's a joke:

A: Knock-knock!
B: Who's there?
A: Monkey!
B: Monkey who?
A: Monkey poo... in your face, asshole!!!

Dr. Martin Harken-Farley
Simianologist,
Kansas City, KS
[/i]

Wowzy-woo! What crawled up his butt tunnel? (Yes sir!) Here's something for you, Dr. Fartin'-Charlie (BAM!): PBBBLLLT!!! If cats are underwear, then monkeys are the skidmarks (POW! BAM! WOOWEE!)! Up yours, jerk!

Greg Liu is the funniest man that never lived. Besides fuck.

Anyway, carry on with your politics.

6-08-04 6:15pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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The deficit is just a measure of how much debt the nation carries. It hasn't crossed a magical line past which we have to start cutting programs. The national debt itself is an indicator, it's not the impetus for policy decisions.

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6-08-04 6:46pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Hello I must be going.

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6-08-04 8:09pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Are you having trouble understanding an idea that has been presented in respect to your question about the deficit? I would be happy to try to clarify if this is the case.

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6-09-04 8:01am (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Have you been trying to clarify? I thought you were trying to obfuscate.

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6-09-04 7:44pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Just for fun, here is the secret torture memo (pdf format) that Ashcroft refused to give to the Senate. Lawyers appointed by the Bush administration worked as a team to legalize torture.

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/docs/PentagonReportMarch.pdf

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

6-09-04 8:03pm (new)
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niteowl
Level 1 Forum Troll

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All I can do is shake my head at the arrogance and complete insanity of this administration.

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6-09-04 8:19pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Cluck your tongue all you want, but until Al-Qaeda signs up for the Geneva conventions they don't get their protections. It's always been the same for un-uniformed sabateurs as well.

Seriously I don't know how many more tongue-cluckings this administration can take. You people are relentless.

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6-09-04 9:11pm (new)
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niteowl
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Here's a grand idea: How about we not sink to the level of al-Qaida by interrogating them the right way, instead this eye for a eye bullshit?

Oh that's right, this administration doesn't give a fuck about public opinion or doing things the right way. No integrity at all.

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6-10-04 3:56am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Many, if not most, of the interrogated detainees were only suspected of doing something wrong, often on no evidence. They were detained and interrogated without probable cause. I think this has made us enemies in their eyes and in the eyes of their families. Dumb. Real dumb.

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6-10-04 6:52am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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It's not an "eye for an eye", the idea is that they might have dire information about another impending attack against the United States, and that information must be gotten as quickly as possible.

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6-10-04 8:28am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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No posts on FGH in 5 hours? I'd better start something!

Um, let's see....

MakK, you idiot!

That never stops being fun, does it? But seriously, the Chief Exec shouldn't be authorizing torture. He should just look the other way when it happens. That's how it's done in civilized countries.

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6-10-04 1:31pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Just because you are not affording someone the protections of the Geneva conventions does not mean you are just torturing them. Also you could call some of the treatments afforded POWs under the Geneva conventions torture (uncomfortable sitting positions, sleep deprivation, etc.) Exactly what specific treatments are you objecting? How do these treatments differ from the specific treatments allowed under the Geneva conventions?

What if a known Al-Qaeda was being held with direct knowledge about a nuclear device that was going to be detonated on American soil. If only some degree of torture was the only way of getting information, would you object?

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6-10-04 2:24pm (new)
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niteowl
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It's not an "eye for an eye", the idea is that they might have dire information about another impending attack against the United States, and that information must be gotten as quickly as possible.


If it isn't "eye for an eye", then why was it necessary for them to state in the memo that they wanted to completely circumvent the Geneva Convention? Why not, as boorite suggested, just keep the torture under wraps?

Besides, we are SUPPOSED to the champions of freedom in the world. We are SUPPOSED to be all about morals. This administration is no better than al-Qaida when they want to conjure up excuses to purposely, BEFORE THE FACT, torture prisoners. Plus, the criminals who want to do us harm get some more ammunition to use against us. Let's just stir up that hornet's nest of hate against the United States some more. Let's hand them the stick to stir it up with, and hand 'em an axe to behead some more innocent Americans caught in the middle of this whole mess.

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6-10-04 2:51pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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It's part of the process of declaring the detainees are legally not subject to Geneva conventions so that, you know, no one is breaking the law.

I don't see it being done in secret versus declared has anything to do with "an eye-for-an-eye" vengance. It's just about intelligence gathering and national security. And I think it was attempted to be done in secret, and this memo had to be forcibly obtained. How could it be a warning of "an eye-for-an-eye" treatment by the administration if they didn't want it announced in the first place?

That makes people who want to sneak into our country and kill innocents all the more dispicable.

Why? The people they want to make uncomfortable are Al-Qaeda, they are un-uniformed sabateurs, and they certainly aren't playing by the rules of the Geneva conventions, and in most cases they'd probably gladly die rather than give up information. In fact dying might be part of their mission.

These detainees were pulled out of the hornet's nest. It's hard for me to think of a good innocent reason to be going to terrorist training camps, niteowl. I really think you're for the rights of the wrong people here.

Arabs aren't mindless insects, flying about with the ability to "sting" the United States at will. Planning is involved in coordinated attacked, and it takes police work, intelligence gathering, and counter-intelligence to stop the plots.

And I don't really have a lot of sympathy for those that are angered by the United States trying to protect itself from militant Islamic terrorists. And it certainly is no reason to not protect ourselves. 9-11 happened before we were detaining enemy combatants, and before the Iraq War. In fact we had just stopped racially profiling potential hijackers to be *ahem* totally sensitive to racial concerns. We were bending over backwards to not offend Arabs people from certain nations of origin.

It seems to me that this "hornet's nest" was already riled up. For our "declared crimes" of: 1) Having troops stationed in Saudi Arabia to help keep the peace after the first Iraq War and 2) Buying Arab oil. These were some of the official reasons Al-Qaeda supplied following 9-11 for the attacks. Note the articulation of grievances came AFTER the attacks.

I'm not quite sure the complaint with squaring away strategies for dealing with terrorist BEFORE they are implemented. That's the proper way to do things. You don't rewrite the law after you've broken it. Likewise if you're going to give an ultimatum (a la Al-Qaeda's "demands"), it's done prior to an attack. You don't attack a nation, and then tell them afterwards what it was for. And you don't deny combatants their rights and then later justify why this is done.

Of course we would declare our intentions BEFORE they are implemented.

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6-10-04 4:40pm (new)
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MikeyG
Shoots the shit and often misses

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http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1152&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040617%2F0609783341.htm&sc=1152&photoid=20040614BAG106Dr&floc=NW_1-T

Now the U.S. government violates the Geneva convention (yet again), and apologizes for it. I'm sure the international community will let it slide YET AGAIN.

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6-17-04 6:02am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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You're right, we should shut down all covert CIA operations to be fair to the terrorists.

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6-17-04 6:22am (new)
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MikeyG
Shoots the shit and often misses

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Well, I am not sure why not. The CIA seems to be taking the brunt of the blame for all the "intelligence" fuck-ups lately. Maybe we should scale back, hmm?

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6-17-04 6:34am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Terrorists are a symptom. The CIA is a symptom. The underlying disease may not be curable. It has swallowed many lives and many more may follow. Look at it under a microscope. Fit what you find into the bigger picture. You could be looking at Apocalypse.

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6-17-04 6:54am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Could it be because they are our "intelligence" agency? Hmmm.

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6-17-04 6:57am (new)
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boinky33
I'm with stupid ^

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If you scroll down all the way on several of the pages, you'll see alot of these:

6-17-04 7:02am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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The CIA has an impossible assignment. They are handed a totally gone to shit situation and told to make it right via intelligence and covert ops. Also they must please Congress, the White House, and any Press that gets wind of their doings. They must pay lip service to the ostensible motives and fulfill the real ones. Many of the men and women in the CIA are real patriots who believe in America in the deepest sense. They are put in a merciless bind. It tears ther souls apart. Ask any of them. If he denies it, watch for telltale signs of lying, which they are trained to cover up.

Forget the CIA. Zoom out. Look where they fit in the picture. Change the picture, if it needs changing.

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6-17-04 7:09am (new)
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