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RedfeatheR
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Would you rather go to hell

or

Die and that's it...

 

No memory... no soul... no nothing... you don't exist and more.

 

Personally both scare the shit out of me.

 

 

6-23-08 3:34am (new)
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Hatrix
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What makes you think we aren't already in hell?

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6-23-08 5:50am (new)
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Zaster
Wait for it...

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Sounds good. How soon can we set that up?

Seriously man, I want dead to just be... dead. Fuck that bright light / beckoning grandma bullshit. Let me lay in a box and rot. I want my epitaph to be "do not disturb".

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6-23-08 6:19am (new)
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little_kitty
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Well, there's also the Catholic beliefs that there are three places to go... Hell, Purgatory, or Heaven. Some people even have the theory that life as we know it know is Purgatory, so after this there are only two options.

Going to a Catholic school makes you think a lot about this sort of stuff, however I personally don't believe in any of it.

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6-23-08 1:48pm (new)
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FinnNYC
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I thought the catholics voted out purgatory in the last popelection or something.

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6-23-08 1:53pm (new)
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little_kitty
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FinnNYC

 

I'm one of them non-practicing Catholics... all I know is that Pope Benedict looks like hell warmed over. He scares the living daylights out of me. Maybe that's why I don't go to church anymore...

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6-23-08 1:54pm (new)
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AngryAmerican
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Hell (and Heaven for that matter)are fanciful Catholic myths.

When you die you get the big Nada. Deal with it.

I look forward to escaping telemarketers, junk mail, crappy music and rap lifestyle wannabes.

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6-23-08 2:06pm (new)
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Scyess
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AngryAmerican

Take it from a man who's been dead many times.  He knows what he's talking about.

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6-23-08 3:08pm (new)
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AngryAmerican
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True dat yo.

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6-23-08 3:58pm (new)
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RedfeatheR
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AngryAmerican

 

Look, I'm not insultinging you answer, but its the same one I hear just about every atheist give. "You die. Deal with it. I'm looking forward to it." While I don't know how else I would answer this question if I kind want a new answer. I just can't wrap my feeble mind around looking forward to not knowing anything and ceasing to be. How canyou lok forward to something that you won't enjoy or even know happened because your memory is no more and you're just gone. That's not peace from all the bullshit is it?

6-23-08 4:56pm (new)
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The_young_scot
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I don't like the idea of oblivion when you die, but I can't help but think the following. You don't remember anything before you were born, so it could be the same once you die.

I really hope I'm wrong on that one.

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6-23-08 5:36pm (new)
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BigFrank105
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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I'm cool because I'm an atheist.

6-23-08 5:59pm (new)
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boloboffin
putting the whee in ennui

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If you are completely rubbed out, then you won't care at that point. No need to fear that. It's like getting a shot for me. You freak out over it as it starts to happen, but when it actually happens, eh.

If it's hell, well, fuck. God gave us a brain to test to see if we'd cut it out of our heads to believe in Him? Does that sound like win-win to you? That sounds like somebody that doesn't want any competition.

Religion keeps you working and docile, a contributing, non-threatening member of society. If there's an actual deity out there, it sure as shit ain't the one you read about in the Bible. Except maybe the one the Preacher was talking about in Ecclesiates. But even Ecclesiates is saying, "Pipe down and enjoy what you've got at any given moment."

I have to be honest. Religion also numbs a lot of pain and grief. Think about our poor monkey ancestors up in a tree, watching a jackel tear their mom apart. She went to sleep, but then she wouldn't move, and they tugged on her and yelled and here comes the jackel and all the rest and it's up in the tree. And screaming does no good. Chomp chomp chomp.

And then they start hiding the bodies. And then they develop agriculture and realize things grow better where they hid mom. And, bam. And isn't that kid the spitting image of mom? Bam.

There's no point in worrying about death until it's upon you. And if you're lucky, death comes so quickly that there's no point of worrying about it then either. If you think about it, a belief in nothing after death should make you the best Christian/etc. on earth. Why screw with the one life other people have? Life is too short for all this fucking drama. Why not find a way to make it easier for somebody here and now? It eases their mind and yours. You work to pass the time, and you take time to enjoy the sights along the way.

And then when God shows, he or she will know all about you. God would be ashamed to send you to hell.

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6-23-08 6:21pm (new)
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Zaster
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Well, if it helps, you can be assured (or terrified, as the case may be) that billions of people with similar observer status to yourself will still be here experiencing all the turmoil and horror and fleeting, small joys of being alive. Death is a bit of an illusion because our sense of uniqueness is a crock. All the stuff that made your life worthwhile and all the stuff that made your life hell will still be here, with billions of living brains still processing it all. Your small contribution (and mine) won't really be missed.

Check out that Zen shit. Those guys figured this all out long ago.

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6-23-08 7:12pm (new)
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biped
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I believe in souls, so I don't buy the "blinking out into nothingness" jazz.

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6-23-08 11:21pm (new)
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AngryAmerican
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RedfeatheR

 

Look, I'm not insultinging you answer, but its the same one I hear just about every atheist give. "You die. Deal with it. I'm looking forward to it." While I don't know how else I would answer this question if I kind want a new answer. I just can't wrap my feeble mind around looking forward to not knowing anything and ceasing to be. How canyou lok forward to something that you won't enjoy or even know happened because your memory is no more and you're just gone. That's not peace from all the bullshit is it?


   Well then my default answer for people who don't like to think of themselves as the walking bag of sentient meat that they and everyone else are is that you make your own afterlife through your beliefs.

   Want (and feel you deserve) the harp and wings-you get it. 72 virgins-they're yours. Battling other fallen heroes followed by feasting and quaffing-more power to ya...

   Since you seem to be looking for honest opinions here, (and I sincerly hope that this is NOT because of some catastrophic event that has happened to you recently) I'll put away the smarm for a moment.

   I personally have an extremely difficult time believing in a higher power. I'm not willing to 100% discount the possibility that there's something vast and incomprehensible out there responsible for the creation of life as we know it, but if there is, its so far beyond our understanding as to make it utterly abstract to the human mind, and therefore we are so far beneath its notice as to make worship absolutely useless. Sort of like an amoeba worshipping nuclear fission.

   Humans are unique amongst terrestrial lifeforms in that we  understand our own mortality and for the most part it scares the living shit out of us. Yes, this sucks, but is part of what makes us human in the first place.

   Religion's primary purpose is to make death less frightening and to make folks try to do something with their limited time on our watery ball of rock. Unfortunately, religion is man made and the entirety of its other purposes are to control thought and action and to perpetuate its own existence. That is why I'm so very hostile to organized religion and their mythos. Somewhere along the line people decided to forget that their fellow humans came up with all this nonsense and not God or whatever you want to name it.

   That being said there are, even I'm willing to admit, very positive side effects of religion. Charity is a great example and one I am personally familiar with. If it hadn't been for our local episcopal church when I was growing up, there would've been times when I would've gone hungry. My Mom struggled to make ends meet and they seldom did, but she kept a roof over our heads often at the expense of food for the table. I can recall all too many times going to St. James for a food basket and being thankful as hell that complete strangers would care enough about others to donate food to those who had none. Charity.

   I return the favor now as often as I can.

   But I digress, and wax loquacious...

  So suppose this ultimate life giving force exists. It so far surpasses our understanding of life that do you think it makes any difference (to It anyway) what we call It our how we offer devotion?

   I don't. To me if you're going to be a believer, its up to you what you believe in. Is it the Goddess? Is it Odin? Is it Allah? Is it the rock statues on Easter Island?

   Who cares. You're right. You're wrong. But make it for all the right reasons.

   What happens when we die? Blackness? Clouds and halos? Virgins to bang in a never ending oasis? Again, you're right. You're wrong. Who cares. How you view the here and now is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT that an afterlife, if there is one, will sort itself out when the time comes.

   Make the presentlife your priority, life is short.

 

Also, cocks and dykery.

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6-24-08 1:33am (new)
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RedfeatheR
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I think the major issue I'm having here it that the human mind cannot fathom complete nothingness, as in, not even blackness, cos you would recognize at least that, but purely nothing as in you AREN'T anymore; nor can it imagine eternity, as in eternity with god or satan or who/wherever you believe in.

 

If i could do either one of those I would "get" death.

6-24-08 2:32am (new)
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AngryAmerican
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Allow me to retort.

The human mind can totally comprehend nothingness.

 Its called sleep.

Sure sometimes you dream, and upon waking you remember those dreams. But for every ONE time you sleep and dream and manage to remember even vague images from said dream, you sleep and remember NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER about 50 times.

If that's not nothingness, I don't know what is.

i.e: Le petit morte

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6-24-08 3:20am (new)
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LuckyGuess
hm

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Lots of different beliefs out there, but I tend to side with the ones that have a lot of real-world collaberative support, and that are fun to believe. One of the most experienced phenomena with people who witness someone die peacefully is a sort of etheral string that snaps off the body and trails away upon death.

Another (explained mostly by children who are close to dying) is the presence of other people who have already passed away living in a sort of mirror world alongside ours. A book I read once had an interview with a 5 year old girl who was dying of brain cancer, and she told the interviewer that they look at us as if we're the incomplete beings (i.e. ghosts). That is, of course, if you believe little kids who are going to die.

Presences that feel like warm electric currents, 'final message' phenomena, psychic imprints- sure, could be a total load of shit, but with all the collaberative stories out there from people who've never met eachother, I'm inclined to think we get something besides a brand new car when we finally open door number three.

When humpy took that truck to the face about a year and a half ago he told me that he saw a bright light at the end of a tunnel, and that he 'swam' (apparently you swim into the void) away from the light and then woke up in a mangled heap in the middle of the intersection. Whatever that is, seems to be a pretty common story.

In my opinion, the existence of memory trumps the nothing card. If there was a 'blank sleep death' I wouldn't remember writing this (I think), I'd just exist and die and my input would be totally negligible, seeing as how I was just some sort of empty vessel moving through life with only the most basic survivalist instincts (if that).

Religion has nothing to do with it. Whatever God is or isn't hanging around on a big fluffy cloud recliner is unimportant. The existence of some kind release for the conciousness is what I'm talking about. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I dunno, man. Believe what you will, it's fun to wonder a little.

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6-24-08 4:42am (new)
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RedfeatheR
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I've moved this discussion here --

6-24-08 8:07am (new)
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BigFrank105
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This thread is now about bees.

6-24-08 4:42pm (new)
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not_Scyess
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/160508_b_bee.htm

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6-24-08 4:56pm (new)
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AngryAmerican
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One Queen per hive. I nominate Attitudechicka.

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6-25-08 1:24am (new)
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dcomposed
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6-29-08 1:24am (new)
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