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niteowl
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Hello, Drama Queen!

Immediate = In the near future.
Threat = We could/will be attacked.

You're still full of shit when you keep saying we invaded Iraq legally according to international law, MaKK.

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7-26-04 9:10pm (new)
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possums
FERN DESTROYER

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He's full of shit no matter what.

7-26-04 10:40pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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What does the most valuable resource on earth matter to be sitting underneath a maniac, such that it not only gives him a potential war chest, but the power to influence the global economy and stability? You are aware of the value and importance of oil? It's been in the news for the past forty years.

Saddam continued to defy the U.N. and U.S. with rhetoric and sorties in the no fly zones. I think that he was enough of a threat to not risk him deciding to cause the next 9-11. Period. It was worth it even if he wasn't planning anything, and once we are shorn up in Iraq I hope we keep going out on the march, wherever appropriate. To hell with you for not caring enough about protecting America.

...support which has so far been completely unproven.


That's taken out of context. The question is "how could Saddam strike us when his military is (by my own civilian estimate) weak?" My answer is, with terrorism. Not that he was plotting terrorism.

Let's see here: al-Qaida was the Taliban's weapon. Then you say that al-Qaida was in control of the government. Then you say it's the Taliban's fault, implying that they were not being controlled. Which is it?


The Taliban allowed al Qaeda to come in, and they effectively hijacked the government. When the Taliban refused to turn them over, they became inseperable. Either the Taliban couldn't control them or sided with them. Either way I don't understand why you are arguing this point.

No kidding? Here I was thinking that they completely agreed with me. Now I see that I was totally wrong.


America gave the Taliban the courtesy of asking them to turn over al Qaeda. When they denied I don't know what conclusion you could be left to draw. Are you actually arguing that the Taliban should remain in power? If not, what is your point?

You did not address for a second the point I made that there is no proven collaborative relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida whatsoever.


That's because I've never said al Qaeda, in respect to the 9-11 attacks, was linked to Iraq. I've said that, like al-Qaeda, Saddam could enable an attack on the U.S. I said it plainly several times in the last few pages. I say it plainly again.

Germany was blatantly disregarding orders and had been amassing a huge armed force. Conversely, all evidence points to Iraq having complied and disarmed as it was told to. The comparisons of Iraq to 1939 Germany and of the war in Iraq to World War II are completely unfounded.


Only under the assumption that Iraq could only be a threat with a huge armed force. As I said, again and again and again, it's pretty obvious that a nation doesn't need a military to threaten harm at present date.

Please, someone once again take this out of context and ask why this doesn't justify bombing England. I can't wait.

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Immediate = In the near future.
Threat = We could/will be attacked.

You're still full of shit when you keep saying we invaded Iraq legally according to international law, MaKK.


Saddam could have "in the near future" "could have tried to attack us." Welp, pretty easy requirement to meet.

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7-26-04 11:33pm (new)
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niteowl
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Immediate = In the near future.
Threat = We could/will be attacked.

You're still full of shit when you keep saying we invaded Iraq legally according to international law, MaKK.


Saddam could have "in the near future" "could have tried to attack us." Welp, pretty easy requirement to meet.


Yeah. Pretty easy requirement to meet, alright. Once again, quite a convenient argument for you warmongers.

Why didn't certain factions of the UN authorize the use of force if Iraq was this big, bad immediate threat? Oh, that's right, because the UN is outdated, useless and panders to terrorists. I mean, it has NOTHING to do with the fact that there was no PROOF.

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7-27-04 3:10am (new)
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niteowl
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He's full of shit no matter what.


MaKK is so full of shit...if you were to cut him, he'd stink.

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7-27-04 3:11am (new)
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boorite
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Yay, MaKK has me listed for a beating!

Mission accomplished!

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7-27-04 5:51am (new)
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MikeyG
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MaKK wants me to protest the Republican National Convention because he can see me get my head bashed in.

So I guess I can declare "Mission Accomplished" as well!

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7-27-04 7:32am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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You'te the one who defined immediate threat for me.

By the way, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

boorite:

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Yay, MaKK has me listed for a beating!

Mission accomplished!


What are you talking about?

mikey:

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MaKK wants me to protest the Republican National Convention because he can see me get my head bashed in.

So I guess I can declare "Mission Accomplished" as well!


No I said that I really hope in the confusion that that doesn't happen. ;)

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7-27-04 8:37am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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MaKK: What am I talking about? You said I'm down for a beating. God! Do you have Alzheimer's?

Christ, it's like having dinner conversation with my dog!

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7-27-04 9:11am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Oh right, the robot-beating.

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7-27-04 9:31am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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YES, the robot-beating. If I'd known it was something you'd say and then forget in the next paragraph, I wouldn't have been so excited.

This is just like you.

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7-27-04 9:36am (new)
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fuzzyman
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"He pants hard, emitting low "hrrr, hrrr, hrrr" grunts with each stroke..."

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7-27-04 3:32pm (new)
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niteowl
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I only answered a question. That was your choice to take it as gospel.

In 1990. What about the here and now?

By your line of thinking, we oughta nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki again, since the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Hell, let's just hit Tokyo and take out Godzilla too. It's pretty unfair that he stomps the shit out of Rodan in every battle they have.

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7-27-04 3:52pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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By my line of reasoning I blame the governments in power. Emperor Hito isn't in power anymore in Japan. And even still he acted in accordance with our sue for peace, so he remained in power as a figurehead. Saddam had the same opportunities. Such nice guys we are.

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7-27-04 5:17pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Clerical error?

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Dario Cruz has lived in the United States for 16 years, but just became a citizen last week as he and about 200 other immigrants were naturalized.

One of the things he had always wanted to was register to vote, but when he was offered the chance to do that right outside the ceremony, he knew something wasn't right -- the place on the form where you're asked to choose Democrat, Republican or independent was already filled out.

"It's like one side," Cruz said. "You don't get to choose."

According to Cruz and his family, every form was checked off Republican.


And from Florida over to Seattle...

They probably just want to remove Democrats from voting registration.

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7-27-04 8:11pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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It's not our fault criminals are all Democrats.

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7-27-04 10:51pm (new)
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Kr0n1c
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Uh huh huh...you said Bush...uh huh huh

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7-28-04 12:21am (new)
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Gabu
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Let's recap: Saddam might have been plotting a terrorist attack on America (even though there is no evidence to suggest this). Also, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Therefore, removing him from power was a good thing.

I'm finding myself hard pressed to find any part of MaKK's argument that's actually grounded in reality rather than being complete speculation or a non sequitur.

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7-28-04 2:28am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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7-28-04 5:36am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Emperor Hirohito of Japan maybe? How many emperors of Japan were the during WWII?

He was also agressively defying the U.S. and the U.N. And it's not that he might have been plotting an attack, it's that there's good reason to believe he would like to harm the U.S., and the 9-11 attacks showed us not to suppose that his lack of military options should lead us to believe he couldn't hit us.

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7-28-04 10:13am (new)
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psycoma
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I wasn't going to get into this because basically I'm not well read enough on current political hot buttons to be able to back up my opinions with any concrete facts...but apparently that isn't really a qualification to take part in this discussion...

To justify my statement, I point to the following quote and site as examples of why I feel this way the googled items that follow:

makk person who alternates caps in their name -shivers, you're so cool (didn't that go out in '99?)-

Oh really? Well since you're so into giving history lessons to justify your opinion, allow me to retort:

Warren G. Harding (1865-1923), 29th president of the United States, and -gasp- a Republican. "The most famous of the scandals brought to light was the Teapot Dome affair, in which Albert B. Fall, secretary of the interior, took a $100,000 bribe to arrange for the private development of federally owned oil fields. Fall resigned from the cabinet and was later prosecuted and convicted, serving nine months in prison. Other charges against the Interior and Navy departments, the Veteran's Bureau, and the Justice Department were disclosed in subsequent investigations and trials. Though the president had never been directly implicated in the scandals, it was noted that on his death, his wife immediately returned home and burned all of Harding's papers."

I don't think I need to go into Nixon...do I?

Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)- Members of his staff and cabinet who were not in one way or another involved in what became known as the Whiskey Ring Scandal are few and far between. All Republicans.

What do these 3 examples have to do with the conversation at hand or the current state of political affairs in this country? Absolutely nothing. It makes about as much sense as someone saying that all crimals are Democrats. Next time you want to make a sweeping generalization and use ancient history to justify it, make sure you identify yourself as Mel Brooks and clue us in to the fact that you are writing the screenplay for History Of The World, Pt. 2.

Dumbass

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7-28-04 11:51am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Gee, Makk, I thought you wrote "Emperor Hito." I know who Hirohito was. I thought maybe Emperor Hito was a character in one of those TV Games the kids play these days.

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7-28-04 2:18pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Yeah psychoma, I was joking. Welcome to the concept of sarcasm. That's some nice research though. Pointing to historical political figures to describe the behavior of current political figures seems kind of silly, though. The Republican party of Lincoln's day isn't exactly the same Republican party of today. Also your logic seems to indicate we should assume all Democratic presidents are sex mongers after Clinton. I'm sure you don't agree with that.

And yes boorite, thanks for being very nit picky. Hirohito's close friends all called him "Hito", for your information. Ah, good times.

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7-28-04 7:14pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Wrong again! It IS all my fault!

And you finally admit to being friends with Hirohito!

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7-28-04 9:02pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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I said it's not our fault, not it's not your fault.

Hito is a nice guy, we played spades together every Tuesday.

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7-28-04 10:03pm (new)
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