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DragonXero
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"Can you shoot someone because you believe they are trying to kill you? I am sure there have been cases where such an action was justified. But you'll also find that in countries with less guns, *gasp* there are LESS SHOOTING DEATHS!"

I agree that this country has become far too gun-loving, but there are reasons for that. Our freedoms, our rights, our very way of life were fought for using guns. Our very country is based on the fact that we knew how to use the guns strategically enough to win the fight. Blacks are allowed to vote because the soldiers fighting for the federal government had better guns. Is this a reason to continue to concentrate on them, even when we do not need them as citizens to defend ourselves? Not really. Is it a reason to honor the traditions? Perhaps. Is it an explaination as to why the country is so focused on these weapons? Yeah, I think so.

Now maybe our way wasn't the best way to win independence. Maybe we could have done as the Indians did, and fight the British through protest and political subversion. What's done is done, however, and it can't be undone that easily. We could simply kill eachother with stones and arrows, but that won't happen in a country both rooted and tradition, and accepting of technology.

We're not as adiment about technical advances as countries like Japan and Germany, but we still try to keep up. Getting rid of guns would be a step backwards, technologically to most people, even if they don't like them. I personally would like to see all wars fought with swords, shields, and the leader of the army standing behind his men, and not just metaphorically. This will never happen, however. We've gone past the brutal, painful ways of the past, where wars were real and those who fought them were truly brave. We've lost the traditions of a leader who will fight alongside of his warriors, and in that we've dehumanized battle. We've taken the honor out of victory. All that's left is the right to say "when the smoke cleared, there were more of us standing than there were of them".

We've seen many changes in war since the beginning of time. First, it was small tribe against small tribe. No leader to speak of, they simply fought and died to figure out who should have the damn deer someone just killed.

Next came more organized warfare, with larger groups of people banding together under a single cause, often for land, or rights. There was a leader, but he was seen to be only as important as the man he stood beside.

Soon, the leaders began to stay home, but the soldiers still had to suffer, still had to see the pain in the eyes of the man he just killed. He had to see and feel death around him everywhere.

Later, the leader continued to stay at home, commanding his men from a safe place where no one could hurt him, unless his men lost, and the enemy walked upon his door, and took him.

For a time, this was modern warfare. The revolutionary war became a holdback from old times, with the leader of the war standing with his men, at least on one side. But this was the last we saw of a courageous leader.

Soon, wars were fought with guns and bombs. You didn't have to see your enemy, you just had to shoot. This was the Civil war, World War I, World War II, and Viet Nam.

Today, we see a new war. A war where you can't even tell who your enemy is. A war where you don't even have to hold the weapon you kill with. You press a button, and people die. The enemy is no longer dressed in a uniform, willing to fight and die for his country, his land, his people, or his people. He's simply willing to die in hopes of killing the enemy. Today's war isn't about victory, it's about death, and who comes out alive at the end. It's the snake eating his tail, with a twist. While it's back to "who's still alive", it also shows new technology in a horrible light. No longer are guns the staple of battle. No longer are battlefields littered only with the corpses of soldiers, and blood of the willing. The battlefield is everywhere, in homes, in cities, in churches and schools. This war isn't war, it's slaughter. I'll leave it up to you to decide which side is slaughtering which, but in any case, the enemy is no longer confined to recognition.

So what will we turn to next? What shall we revere as the inanimate object which defines our freedom? Will it be the gun? Or something newer? Will the bomb be our new symbol of freedom? I can't tell you, but I do know that unless the world decides that war has become less about victory, and more about numbers, decides to change, and finally realizes what honor truly means, we are doomed to fight increasingly destructive battles. I just hope the death-bringing stops before there is no one left to fight.

War is the definition of our struggle as humans. It is the realization of the battle within our hearts. We fight our own psychological and natural war within, and express it without. We fight over humanity, and being animals. This is because no matter how advanced we've become, and no matter how intelligent we think we are, we still require the same basic things as any other animal, but we have the intellect to take more. We have the drive to take more. We want to be the best, and we won't stop at being better than the animals. We keep trying until we are better than anyone, including each other.

So take away my gun if you want. Melt down my sword to make something new. Bludgeon my face, and cripple my hands. But until I die, I will always have the seed of destruction in my mind. That is something you can never take away peacefully. This is the greatest weapon of mass destruction each of us holds, and for once, evolution may eventually take away a weapon, rather than simply replacing it with a better one.

Perhaps, some day, we will no longer need to fight. But until then, I will hold onto the things that identify my anger and violence. If for no other reason, than to reassure myself that I have something the animals don't.

I have the choice to not use them.

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9-02-04 11:32pm (new)
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niteowl
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I see where you're trying to lead this to, Makk...just get to the point already.

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9-03-04 4:21am (new)
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DragonXero
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I see where you're trying to lead this to, Makk...just get to the point already.


Hahaha, come on nite. When has he ever gotten to the point?

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9-03-04 4:48am (new)
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niteowl
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Not very often. ;)

About the "sympathy" thing...for whatever reason, maybe it's ego, maybe it's being afraid of looking weak...after 9/11, instead of working with other countries to fight terrorism, we pushed them away and insisted we do it on our own...and basically said that we're going to do whatever we want and you can either come along for the ride, or be shunned and shut out. Ultimatums don't work, especially when we make plans to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Most of the other countries in the world knew this was wrong, and rightly didn't support it.

Once again, I pose the question...why were we off trying to take down Iraq instead of putting all our energy into nabbing Bin Laden, who we know was behind 9/11?

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9-03-04 6:00am (new)
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MikeyG
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Because we probably already have him, that's why. We'll see if he's trotted out next month. Man, would that be something.

Now, D/X, as for what you are saying, you blurred the distinction between soldiers and regular people. Until we find a way, globally, to eliminate the perceived needs for guns, we must have them for defense. Country-wide. The problem is that our citizens have them. Our non-citizens have them. Everybody fucking has them. Soldiers and perhaps police must have them until we eliminate the need for them. But why is our country so rife with guns? Why do people need to make sure guns are in this country? Smuggled guns, stolen guns, HOMEMADE guns.

You are right about the destruction in the heart, which is why the idea that TV and video games induce violence is laughable at best. We've had far more bloodier and brutal wars waaaaay before the advent of any kind of global communication, let alone broadcasted entertainment. Having said that, there are still far too many guns in this country. A lot of the guns on the streets are guns stolen from houses. Houses of cops, current and former marines, current and former FBI agents, current and former bodyguards, etc. We have too many fucking splinter agencies with the right to bear arms to enforce their laws and too many citizens allowed to continue to bear arms. Having something that is NOT a necessity, and there is no way a gun can even be considered a necessity unless you live in somewhere like Detroit, is not a right. Especially for your average citizen.

So then what do we do? Let America take over the world like our government wants to and have totalitarian control over the world and its guns?

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9-03-04 6:58am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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I see where you're trying to lead this to, Makk...just get to the point already.


You said we made "enemies of the whole world" by going to war in Iraq. I think you mean "we made enemies of France and Germany". By the way they are still our allies in NATO. But we have something like 40 ally nations in the Iraq war.

Instead of working with countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia..oh wait we did and are.

Again, I think you are just referring to Germany and France here.

I'm sure we would still welcome German and French troops if they were to come along for the ride.

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Ultimatums don't work, especially when we make plans to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Most of the other countries in the world knew this was wrong, and rightly didn't support it.

Once again, I pose the question...why were we off trying to take down Iraq instead of putting all our energy into nabbing Bin Laden, who we know was behind 9/11?


Why are you asking a question that has been discussed over and over again. Why don't you go back through some threads and address counter-points instead of asking the same questions again.

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9-03-04 8:32am (new)
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niteowl
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I wasn't speaking exclusively of France and Germany. Name one country where the majority of people there support our invasion of Iraq.

Most of them being tiny countries who have 1,000 - 3,000 troops in Iraq.

You forgot the question mark...lewl!

Makk discussion tactic #479 : Suggest that other users go through the thread again when he doesn't have a proper response.

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9-03-04 9:23am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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I wasn't speaking exclusively of France and Germany. Name one country where the majority of people there support our invasion of Iraq.


Name one country that is now officially the "enemy" of the United States because of the Iraq war.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

News flash: people of foreign nations tended not to like the U.S. before the Iraq war. The Iraq war didn't cause those sentiments, it just laid them plain.

Most of them being tiny countries who have 1,000 - 3,000 troops in Iraq.


So? You said we've made "enemies of the world". Why are our "enemies" giving us material support in a war?

Is it because:

a) they are surely our most mortal of enemies now!
or
b) they are our allies

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

You forgot the question mark...lewl!


It's rhetorical, you don't need to answer, so you get no question mark. You've obviously chosen to not discuss this in a serious fashion so I think you actually have answered why you aren't going back to address counter-points that have already been made.

Oh by the way Kerry said he wouldn't have done anything different in the Iraq war. Your point of view on the war is clearly outside the mainstream.

Makk discussion tactic #479 : Suggest that other users go through the thread again when he doesn't have a proper response.


This is just politeness to people in the thread to not bring up the same thing over and over again. I'm not going to say anything new about the decision to go to war in Iraq, so the most you could do is argue against a point I already made. Please be respectful for those participating in this thread.

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9-03-04 10:16am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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9-03-04 10:18am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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You're a fucking scumbag, mAAk. Show some compassion for the man. I didn't do a little dance when Reagan died. So show some respect for Clinton, arguably the best President of the latter half of the 20th century and a better man than you'll ever be.

Oh, and Bush's speech (from the excerpts I've read) was the usual, uninspiring tripe. So there.

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9-03-04 10:30am (new)
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MikeyG
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I would have loved to dance on Reagan's grave, but I didn't.

Bill Clinton completely and unequivocally supported Israeli terrorism against Palestinian encampments.

I wouldn't celebrate his heart attack, either.

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9-03-04 11:24am (new)
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psycoma
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It's rhetorical, you don't need to answer, so you get no question mark.

Just because I love to prove you wrong, I googled this and here is what I found...Dumbass.

Source:
Capital Community College Foundation

"Rhetorical questions (asked when an answer is not really expected), by the way, are questions and deserve to end with a question mark..."

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9-03-04 11:31am (new)
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kaufman
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You're right, and I think Professor Berger put things in their proper perspective:

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Our Apology
Prof. Stephen Berger, Tel Aviv Medical Center
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Following the latest atrocity in Jerusalem, Secretary of State Powell urged the Palestinians to issue some form of denunciation.

Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas complained that only the Palestinian side is ever required to denounce terror.

Predictably, the Palestinian denunciation later mumbles that they "deplore the murder of civilians on both sides."

Perhaps the Palestinians have a point, and so to set the record straight, I do hereby denounce the following in the name of the Jewish People

[list=1][*]All Jewish suicide bombers who have ever acted against Arabs.

[*]All Arab buses blown up by Jews.

[*]All Arab pizza parlors, malls, discotheques and restaurants destroyed by Jewish terrorists.

[*]All airplanes hijacked by Jews since 1903.

[*]All Ramadan feasts targeted by Jewish bombs.

[*]All Arabs lynched in Israeli cities; all Arab Olympic athletes murdered by Jews; all Arab embassies bombed by Jews.

[*]All mosques, cemeteries and religious schools fire bombed or desecrated by Jews in North Africa, France, Belgium, Germany, England or any other country.

[*]The destruction of American military, governmental and civilian institutions in Kenya, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - along with the murder of U.S. Marines and diplomatic personnel.

[*]All Jewish school books which claim that Arabs poison wells, use Christian blood to bake pita, control world finance, and murdered Jesus; or that Arab elders meet secretly to plot a world takeover.

[*]And I am particularly ashamed at the way my fellow Jews attacked the World Trade Center, Pentagon and civilian aircraft on September 11th, and danced in the streets to celebrate the act.[/list]


It's a crying shame that Bill Clinton encouraged all of those things.

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9-03-04 11:45am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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I was just blaming Bush. I thought you of all people would appreciate it.

I wonder if this has anything to do with why Clinton never released his health records. If he mislead us about his health I think he should be impeached again.

Shh, don't mention the speech again, Clinton might hear you.

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I would have loved to dance on Reagan's grave, but I didn't.

Bill Clinton completely and unequivocally supported Israeli terrorism against Palestinian encampments.

I wouldn't celebrate his heart attack, either.


I didn't really celebrate it, my joke could be taken either way. Lighten up. It's not like he's a health nut and this comes as a big surprise anyway. He's the fucking Elvis Presely of Presidents.

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Just because I love to prove you wrong, I googled this and here is what I found...Dumbass.

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Capital Community College Foundation

"Rhetorical questions (asked when an answer is not really expected), by the way, are questions and deserve to end with a question mark..."


I'm just saying I didn't expect an answer. Since you can't hear inflection over the Internet, I ended the sentence with a period instead of a question mark.

And I support Israeli COUNTER terrorism. Why don't you, Mikey? Oh right COUNTER terrorism, which combats terrorism, is actually as bad as terrorism itself. Just like policing an area actually causes crime, just like fighting a dictator is itself evidence of totalitarianism.

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9-03-04 1:21pm (new)
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MikeyG
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That's funny, MaKK. Who shot that very first bullet way back when?

Depends on what methods are used to fight, jackass.

I don't know, there are some pretty heavily policed areas that are rife with crime. What about those little teensy weensy, forgettable places?

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9-03-04 1:34pm (new)
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niteowl
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Good for Kerry. What that has to do with the discussion, I don't know, but good for him I guess. And in case you hadn't noticed Makk, there are a lot of people in this country who think the invasion of Iraq was a bad idea.

Name one country that is now officially the "enemy" of the United States because of the Iraq war.


Once again, you avoid the question. Why do I bother?

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9-03-04 3:37pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Who targets women children and civilians and who targets combatants, you biased fuck? Wah, poor muslims harbouring terrorists, hiding in mosques, and attacking first response rescue workers. You're right, Israel is CLEARLY the villain here.

Good for Kerry. What that has to do with the discussion, I don't know, but good for him I guess.


You're right, the point is completely unrelated to politics.

A lot of people also don't know the name of the vice president. A lot of people watch NASCAR. A lot of people work on jigsaw puzzles (no offense boorite). That doesn't mean they aren't idiots.

Once again, you avoid the question. Why do I bother?


You said we've made "enemies of the world". What countries are now our enemy? Hellooo? Which ones? Point to them on the map. Show me their troops mobilizing against us. Show me them rolling over on terrorists. Your premise that public opinion matters is false, that's why I don't bother addressing it.

And, by the way, I still point out (again) people in these countries weren't exactly wearing American flag T-shirts before the war.

Public opinion isn't going to win us a war on terror; material government support will though. I don't give a flying flip what some socialist Eurotrash in a hash bar thinks about Boosh or the Iraq war.

I do care what Time magazine says though.

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9-03-04 8:09pm (new)
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DragonXero
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I simply pray Clinton will be alright. He may have brought it all on himself with all that damn junk food, but he doesn't deserve this.

I may not like his politics, but he's a man like any other, and his condition saddens me.

Pull through, Mr. President.

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9-03-04 9:16pm (new)
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niteowl
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I'm sorry, but if you are over the age of 12 and don't know who the Vice President is of the country you live in, you [u]are[/u] a fucking idiot. Of course, folks like Makk and the cons/neo-cons want the brain dead on their side, they're easier to manipulate and are less likely to question anything.

Well sure, who gives a shit about issues at hand when there's much backslapping and handshaking to be done over a stupid poll. All is good with the world, eh?

P.S. I think polls are worthless, regardless of whether they show support for Bush or not.

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9-03-04 10:04pm (new)
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MikeyG
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Showed us your true colors there, didn't you?

The IDF has killed many women, children, and civilians. They target TOWNS. No commando shit like the U.S. does, they just raze towns.

You don't know shit, buddy. It shows.

Also, muslims harboring terrorists? I thought we were talking about the Israelis and Palestinians? You didn't even say Arabs. You said muslims. Are you biased against all muslims? That's most certainly what you're inferring.

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9-03-04 10:16pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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I simply pray Clinton will be alright. He may have brought it all on himself with all that damn junk food, but he doesn't deserve this.

I may not like his politics, but he's a man like any other, and his condition saddens me.

Pull through, Mr. President.


Only silver bullets can kill Clinton. Fear not.

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Showed us your true colors there, didn't you?

The IDF has killed many women, children, and civilians. They target TOWNS. No commando shit like the U.S. does, they just raze towns.


The towns should stop supporting the terrorists.

Don't I now.

I didn't say all Muslims, but it is Muslims. It sure as hell isn't local Christians and Jews supporting the Palestinian terror groups. I'm not biased, I'm realistic. You'll note I didn't say Mexicans or Canadians are harbouring Palestinians terrorists either. 20 guesses why.

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9-04-04 1:13am (new)
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psycoma
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I'm just saying I didn't expect an answer. Since you can't hear inflection over the Internet, I ended the sentence with a period instead of a question mark.


No, that in fact *is NOT* what you were saying. What you were saying was

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It's rhetorical, you don't need to answer, so you get no question mark.

What you are saying is that since it is a rhetorical question, grammatically speaking, it does not need to be punctuated by a question mark. I see nothing in there about the fq inflection /fq intended. What I *do* see is you making up more rules to base your defunct intellect on and that is the entire reason that I took such an obscure and meaningless statement and am making such a big deal about it. It is a smaller example of your entire thought process. "Right or wrong, based in fantasy or reality, my opinion is the only one that makes any sense and anything else that anyone says-unless they agree with me-is completely in error."

and besides...

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Why are you asking a question that has been discussed over and over again.

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You forgot the question mark...lewl!

It's rhetorical, you don't need to answer, so you get no question mark. You've obviously chosen to not discuss this in a serious fashion so I think you actually have answered why you aren't going back to address counter-points that have already been made.


you point out that you think he has answered you, I see nothing in the original question that could be even remotely construed as rhetorical, and it's obvious with the statement that you found the answer you were looking for. Circular logic does not suit you. The circular part is fine, it's the logic part that has you scrambling I think.

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9-04-04 1:27am (new)
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DragonXero
I'm Here, You're Queer, Get Used to it

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God, intelligent women make me hot.

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9-04-04 1:32am (new)
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psycoma
Ice Queen...Shaken, Not Stirred

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lol I'd be so much more popular if more people felt that way.

I do a good hair flip too tho.

:hairflipintoagiggleemoticon:

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9-04-04 1:34am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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Oh is that what I was saying? I thought I said he gets no question mark from me. I simply said I wasn't giving him a question mark, not that a question mark was grammatically incorrect.

Since you base your entire following rant on this false assumption, it is all wrong, not to mention just plain off topic and a waste of time.

I'm sorry you went on to write such a lengthy essay about this. I disagree that this makes you intelligent, and think it might suggest the contrary. If you wanted to try to discuss a point we brought up in an intelligent way that might change things. Just trying to distract the matter is childish. And if you're going to be so pendantic, you should at least be correct.

Also earlier you said you used Google to look up this information. This might prove that Google is knowledgeable on the subject you decided to pointlessly delve into. It just proves you're a blathering idiot though.

You forgot the question mark...lewl!


It's rhetorical, you don't need to answer, so you get no question mark. You've obviously chosen to not discuss this in a serious fashion so I think you actually have answered why you aren't going back to address counter-points that have already been made.


you point out that you think he has answered you,


He answered me by being glib instead of addressing the subject. It's called using reason to read between the lines. You are taking this way too literal. Are you slightly autistic?

You've also "answered" me by refusing to talk about any of my political points. I'm sorry you don't think you're up to snuff enough to actually discuss them.

Go back to "Teenage Chat" on yahoo with that "tee hee I'm a girl" stuff for the proper attention you seem to need.

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9-04-04 9:22am (new)
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